"I just figured" means the same as "in my opinion".
RL is being asked to speculate what might have occurred when he first heard about two missing girls.
Could be but RL says "the car"!
"I just figured" means the same as "in my opinion".
RL is being asked to speculate what might have occurred when he first heard about two missing girls.
If that's what they intended to portray, then the image is virtually useless. Since the man in the photo could be anyone, then the only reason to call in a tip is if you've seen other suspicious behavior from a person you know/suspect. Otherwise, you would look at the picture that could be anyone and call in every man you've ever met who even vaguely resembled the build of BG. And, EVEN THAT is up for debate.
Just MOO, but I do think it's helpful to dissect the picture to come up with a few suspected conclusions.
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Not necessarily. The bar for obtaining a search warrant isn't all that high. Two or more tips that someone residing there that resembles BG, if that were the case, would be sufficient. All that is required for probable cause is that the search is reasonable and the state's interest (or rather the people's interests) outweighs the individuals interests under the 4th amendment. Probable cause is the lowest and easiest bar to clear.
For example, if you are walking down a sidewalk in a neighborhood that recently had burglaries LE has probable cause to stop you and identify you and ask you questions.
That same level probable cause - basically it is possible and just possible (no more substantive than that), that an individual is the killer - is all that is needed for a search warrant. And like I said, all it takes is two or more individuals to say someone looks like BG and that should be sufficient. Anything additional such as not having a verifiable alibi such as home alone or sleeping or a prior criminal history, no matter how non-violent , would just make it more likely to get a search warrant. It really does not take much for LE to get a search warrant. LE doesn't have to claim that it is more likely than not that the individual is the killer, for example.
If LE actually had to go to the level of accusing someone of carrying out the murders to get a search warrant then they would be handing the defense attorney for the eventual caught killer the gift of reasonable doubt because the defense attorney could simply read the accusation of murder that LE swore in the search warrant for someone else LE were sure of only to then arrest their client.
70 subpoenas and warrants (of which 15 were search warrants) IIRC. What would the subpoenas be for? Have we discussed them? Would they be, for instance, to order people to provide their whereabouts or to seize property (a phone or vehicle maybe) ?Accoding to link posted by RoseofSharon there were multipy SW served. Jmo
Would they let a murderer run free if in fact they knew he was in on it,even if they were building a case?
I'm thinking the SW's could be about the other crimes they discovered and arrests made during the investigation that LE mentioned.70 subpoenas and warrants (of which 15 were search warrants) IIRC. What would the subpoenas be for? Have we discussed them? Would they be, for instance, to order people to provide their whereabouts or to seize property (a phone or vehicle maybe) ?
70 subpoenas and warrants (of which 15 were search warrants) IIRC. What would the subpoenas be for? Have we discussed them? Would they be, for instance, to order people to provide their whereabouts or to seize property (a phone or vehicle maybe) ?
I agree. If LE had been able to determine any specific features I think it would've been emphasized. I notice the FBI poster, for what little was described, adds the word "appears to".
"Investigators have distributed a photo (shown above) of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photo appears to depict a White male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie. During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the aforementioned person is suspected of being involved in the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German."
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/abigail-williams/@@download.pdf
But even so, the 16000 or so tips received is absolutely amazing. Hopefully at least some of them have proved to be viable leads.
My comment is not in reference to people dissecting the photo. If anything, it's in defence of LE as to why they didn't dissect the photo in order to get better leads.
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Subpoenas are generally to businesses for such things as employee attendance records, phone records, bank records such as ATM withdrawals, etc., surveillance video, rentals such as car or hotel room rental records, and other kinds of records that would be of interest to LE such as cell tower records. I am sure there are other examples.70 subpoenas and warrants (of which 15 were search warrants) IIRC. What would the subpoenas be for? Have we discussed them? Would they be, for instance, to order people to provide their whereabouts or to seize property (a phone or vehicle maybe) ?
There are two types of subpoenas. The first, called subpoena ad testificandum (pronounced "ad test- te-fi-kan-dum"), requires you to testify before a court, or other legal authority. The second, called subpoena duces tecum (pronounced "doo-seez tee-*advertiser censored*"), requires you to produce documents, materials, or other tangible evidence. http://litigation.findlaw.com/going-to-court/what-is-a-subpoena.html
I presume it would be the latter?
Phone records, IP addresses?
ALL JMO:
I believe his alibi didn't pan out (why he lied about his whereabouts, I dunno, but I don't believe it had anything to do with the murders). The bodies were found on his property, AND I think lots of people saw a resemblance between BG's photo AND RL (thru his media interviews/photos) and they called LE. So, the combination of location of bodies, bad alibi, and tip-callers... it was best for LE to go ahead and take steps to rule him in OR out.
Weeks have passed.... there is no evidence, AND the only thing we know for sure is... optimism within LE is not high.
He had two months left of a 24 month probation. Maybe with just two months to go he thought no big deal and they wouldnt find out. Suddenly he's under national scrutiny and there were cameras at the dump so he was caught out. If he had just waited 2 more months he wouldn't now be serving 3 1/2 years. I do feel a bit sorry for him, though he doesn't deserve it . JMO.
Subpoenas are generally to businesses for such things as employee attendance records, phone records, bank records such as ATM withdrawals, etc., surveillance video, rentals such as car or hotel room rental records, and other kinds of records that would be of interest to LE such as cell tower records. I am sure there are other examples.
If that's what they intended to portray, then the image is virtually useless. Since the man in the photo could be anyone, then the only reason to call in a tip is if you've seen other suspicious behavior from a person you know/suspect. Otherwise, you would look at the picture that could be anyone and call in every man you've ever met who even vaguely resembled the build of BG. And, EVEN THAT is up for debate.
Just MOO, but I do think it's helpful to dissect the picture to come up with a few suspected conclusions.
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what do you think the reason was then that they searched his house with probable cause that they would find something connected to the double homicide. So, they certainly believed that he could be connected to the crime.
I'm confident that if the bodies had been found on the other side of the creek on someone else's property, RL's name would never have been associated with these murders.
What if it is a pay-as-u-go phone? I.e. pre-pay, no contract, no address on record? Don't know about old phones pinging but as long as they have an IMEI number and a sim card then I think they would have to in order to work. MOO.I remember we talked a bit about his phone. Was it an old flip phone or a newer I-phone type?
My guess would be an old flip phone. Not many people use those anymore and those who do may not want to spend the money since what they have works just fine, it's ease of use and reliability and cost of usage.
So, my question, and it's a dumb one but I really don't know is.....
do they ping like the knew ones?
Are they as traceable as the new ones?
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If he hadn't been interviewed, yes. But, once his clothing and body type got out there, wham!
70 subpoenas and warrants (of which 15 were search warrants) IIRC. What would the subpoenas be for? Have we discussed them? Would they be, for instance, to order people to provide their whereabouts or to seize property (a phone or vehicle maybe) ?