IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #57

[Burnt Toast]

Does anyone have a link to the interview with LE where the officer is asked if RL is the guy on the bridge?

His response was something about BG being a middle aged white male...and RL is a white male so he can't be ruled out.

But, imho, he could not bring himself to say RL is middle aged...it was quite odd.

LE has never said that they have been asked if RL is the guy on the bridge and they have certainly never said that RL is a white male so he can't be ruled out.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

again, LE rarely names a suspect prior to an arrest. also he is involved in the criminal investigation. i highly doubt this is just because the bodies were found on his property. Because if he doesn't know anything he wouldn't have anything to tell LE to be "involved", past he doesn't know anything.

Could you tell me why you think he would still be involved in the investigation months, and why simply being the property owner would make him still "involved" in a criminal investigation into a double homicide?

Sure. I can think of a few scenarios as have been pointed out previousy.

BG is related or a worker on his property and they found something to link BG back there.
RL gave BG a ride not knowing who BG was and what he had just done
BG was in RL's shed or property at one time
RL wasn't truthful about violating his parole. That's a red flag to LE to be extra careful to check his alibi.

I have yet to hear a convincing arguement why anyone thinks RL himself is BG.
Getting angry at two young teens (even if in a drunken stupor as some have suggested) is very far fetched in my mind.

Can you give me a reason what you think his involvement is?

 

[Ember123]

What I posted last night, and stand by today, is that I distinctly recall LE saying (or quoted as saying?) that at first they were not sure if what they were looking at was a crime scene. I remember this clearly because I puzzled over it a long time wondering, How could that be?
I am sorry I do not have a link but I will try to find it among the February articles. It wasn't a discussion of foul play vs. a crime. It was written as noted above, which I found very odd. Possible a journo twisted LE's words. I will look for it!

 

[Jax49]

“The man is the photo is middle aged and white,” Sgt. Perrine said. “Mr. Logan is also a white male. At this point we can’t verify anything.”

Edit to add: Police stress Logan is not a suspect. He is part of the investigation that included follow-up on more than 13,000 tips and the search for this man in photos taken by German before she died.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03...ere-the-bodies-of-2-indiana-teens-were-found/

LE has never said that they have been asked if RL is the guy on the bridge and they have certainly never said that RL is a white male so he can't be ruled out.

My memory wasn't exact but fairly close. BOP was able to supply the link to the interview. moo

ETA part of my earlier post. His response was something about BG being a middle aged white male...and RL is a white male so he can't be ruled out.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

fortunately he are all entitled to our own opinions here.

And I respect yours BT. I truly do.
I wish I could wrap my head around what it is you think you know or why you feel the way you do.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

What I posted last night, and stand by today, is that I distinctly recall LE saying (or quoted as saying?) that at first they were not sure if what they were looking at was a crime scene. I remember this clearly because I puzzled over it a long time wondering, How could that be?
I am sorry I do not have a link but I will try to find it among the February articles. It wasn't a discussion of foul play vs. a crime. It was written as noted above, which I found very odd. Possible a journo twisted LE's words. I will look for it!

Ember, did you see my response to you a couple pages back? If you do have a link, that would be great to know.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think what has some confused is what it says further down the page; and it is real odd considering they had already said it was a crime scene/foul play..."Right now it is considered a 'death investigation' and is not classified as a homicide"


That is just in there, not sure if it is a direct quote from LE or if it is the reporter's opinion.

BBM

And I have just seen similar wording in the media thread asking about BG and it states he is believed to be involved in their deaths ( as opposed to homicide) so there is that difference again.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

And I have just seen similar wording in the media thread asking about BG and it states he is believed to be involved in their deaths ( as opposed to homicide) so there is that difference again.

Link? Please.

 

[Burnt Toast]

LE has never said that they have been asked if RL is the guy on the bridge and they have certainly never said that RL is a white male so he can't be ruled out.

i am quoting my own post because they did say the following on March 17th,

“The man is the photo is middle aged and white,” Sgt. Perrine said. “Mr. Logan is also a white male. At this point we can’t verify anything.”

 

[her]

Delphi Community Schools Superintendent Gregory Briles confirmed it was the girls with LE not saying one way or another.Was he privy to some inside info that the rest of the world didn't know except for the police? Just a thought,have seen that posted many times but never saw the question brought up,thoughts anyone?

I'm sorry I don't understand your post but, it's interesting.

 

[asyousay]

Well if LE believe BG is middle aged then how does that make RL a suspect as which ever way you slice it 78 is not middle aged.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Sure. I can think of a few scenarios as have been pointed out previousy.

BG is related or a worker on his property and they found something to link BG back there.
RL gave BG a ride not knowing who BG was and what he had just done
BG was in RL's shed or property at one time
RL wasn't truthful about violating his parole. That's a red flag to LE to be extra careful to check his alibi.

I have yet to hear a convincing arguement why anyone thinks RL himself is BG.
Getting angry at two young teens (even if in a drunken stupor as some have suggested) is very far fetched in my mind.

Can you give me a reason what you think his involvement is?

RL does not have to be BG to have some involvement in the murders. i also don't think that any alcohol was involved that afternoon. fortunately i don't owe anyone an explanation on my own opinion.

 

[DeDee]

Well we are nearly 3 months in and he has not moved up the suspect list as far as we are aware and LE have 500 POI's and DNA must be back by now and he has not been arrested for this crime.


I know some people believe he is guilty but he was arrested in March for violating probation and it's now May. You would of hoped that LE would have evidence if it was RL by now.

The latest information released on May 5, regarding the DNA, is located in the media thread.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I thought I might have seen a part of a car. No idea how mini or maxi it would be IF there was indeed a car.

I think you are talking about Abbey'pic on the bridge and the bottom left area some think could be a vehicle. I do see what could be the side windows of a vehicle but it's probably paradeolia. (the foreground area on the bank of the Creek in that pic). MOO.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

I'm sorry I don't understand your post but, it's interesting.

I was just saying that I have seen people post the timeline a few different times and it always says that authorities found two bodies but have not identified them,then it says that the school superintendent publicly identified them before LE did,I find that odd that he did so.Even if he was informed by the police that it was the girls,why so quick and why wouldn't they have made the statement before him?Just seemed odd to me.Then again,I could be misreading the entire thing.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Well if LE believe BG is middle aged then how does that make RL a suspect as which ever way you slice it 78 is not middle aged.

You beat me to it asyou - I was just going to say if 77 is the new middle age I'm just a 40 something.

 

[Burnt Toast]

And I respect yours BT. I truly do.
I wish I could wrap my head around what it is you think you know or why you feel the way you do.

i also can't wrap my head around those who don't think that it is at least possible that he had some involvement.

I also can't wrap my head around those that think that since LE has said that he not a suspect than that makes him somehow "cleared" from any involvement.

 

[asyousay]

You beat me to it asyou - I was just going to say if 77 is the new middle age I'm just a 40 something.

That makes me a toddler if 77 is now middle aged :gaah:


I do agree with LE both BG and RL are white though so I will give them the one of out of the two.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

RL does not have to be BG to have some involvement in the murders. i also don't think that any alcohol was involved that afternoon. fortunately i don't owe anyone an explanation on my own opinion.

Well now. You asked me this question

Could you tell me why you think he would still be involved in the investigation months, and why simply being the property owner would make him still "involved" in a criminal investigation into a double homicide?

And I was happy to answer. Interesting. Didn't occur to me to give the same response.

You keep pushing your point that RL is involved. I don't see any harm in presenting an opinion as to why. I was hoping you would shed some light on your opinion. It may help the rest of us. Really. You opine over and over about RL so I was really wanting to know what it is that has convinced you.

 

[Aropizt]

I thought of that today actually...wouldnt it be ironic he turns out to be hispanic or something. I think all we look for are exactly what he looks like in the images right down to the freaking mysterious white thingy majiggerbob hanging out of his jacket...like he's a cut out paperdoll walking around Delphi still exactly like that

What I think will be interesting too is how many people who totally claimed BG looked X or Y finally see the real guy and go "oh he looks just like the image!" Because I think so, so much of the BG discussion especially has time has gone on has become thing thing where our eyes play tricks on us and we start seeing what we want to or kind of imagining the details, filling them in whatever our preconceived notions are about murders or "bad guys", you know?

I've always been one of the people who really doesn't see much in the image. Like I can't make out enough detail at all to even envision an actual person. For me it's kind of like, you know how when you were a kid (or heck even as an adult) and would close your eyes and imagine your future. You'd probably imagine a spouse or significant other of some sort but I mean you're a kid so you didn't have any real prospects. So you can carry on the whole fantasy of your future but that spouse or your fantasy children are kind of a blur. Does that make sense? In my head that's what BG looks like! I see that photo, the bridge and surroundings are clear. His body is even reasonably clear and I can even almost imagine his walk but then his face is like an empty blur.

I've seen some of the RSO's who folks have thought might be BG, and poured through photos in my sleuthing but no one ever pops out to me the way others claim to have experienced. Because I literally have no idea what the guys face looks like! I will be surprised if he turns out to be this lanky scrawny guy though!

(BTW- been away for awhile, just to focus on my own life and health and I highly recommend a break to anyone considering it. But it's also good to be back, I feel like you've all become my sleuthing friends and family here. Just wish I had come back to find this guy arrested and behind bars!)


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