IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #57

[SomeoneElse333]

There was a third friend who was going with them but didn't so at least one other person knew in addition to family member who dropped them off. Then the SC photo went up. Other photos too perhaps. Is it possible they were cyber stalked ?

I didn't know that. (There are so many things about this case that I don't know...can't keep up!)

 

[Jax49]

RL's probation violation is not a high profile case.

I have to respectfully disagree. It was extremely high profile with several news outlets covering it. moo

 

[mtnlites]

Also, I read someone's post about something interesting, but I haven't see a follow-up to it. They suggested checking ISPs of anyone who had visited Delphi websites or YouTube channels prior to the murders. I think someone specifically wondered about the drone video of the bridge and surroundings. I'm curious about that information yet I don't know if it's available generally. [emoji272]

The above is just my opinion.

So after reading your post I decided to do some sleuthing on my own website, as well as some general You Tube searching and here is what I found...

Although I can definitely go back to February and look at the ISPs of people who visited my site, there are approximately 200 from that same 48 hour period (12th-14th). While 200 ISPs isn't that many to sort through (comparatively, anyway) it's still a hefty number. Along with the ISPs, it also gives me a town name. Now, this isn't that helpful since sometimes the registered town isn't anywhere near where the actual person and computer were at the time. My own ISP shows up as "St. John's Island, SC" and I am several states away from that. I had my neighbor get on HIS computer in his house and visit my website today. Although we are approximately half a mile apart, our ISPs are the same. Plus, in the three times I visited my own website and in the three times he visited, it registered several different ISP numbers so there wasn't even consistency in THAT.

As far as You Tube videos go, the information I gathered says that ISP addresses are only registered when the person comments, not when they view.

My conclusion, and this is strictly my own opinion from the little experiment I did on my own site, is that while this information might be good when putting a case together to tie it all in, I am not finding it generally useful to narrowing it down to one person. If they had a suspect and were looking for motive and opportunity, they might be able to look up his ISP address and track it to see what sites he visited but to do the reverse is a lot more complicated. A good defense attorney might even argue that it wasn't the perp's computer at all. They would need access to his own computer and his history to really make it "stick."

All of this is moot if the suspect did any commenting.

 

[peel]

I wondered about this too -- whether it was a form of protective custody.

I'm firmly positioned in my spot on the fence. There is just not enough info about anything to form solid theories. 🌼

The above is just my opinion.

yeah, me too.....disappointing that its been just about 3 months now and nothing...

however, when Jessica Chambers was burned to death, I thought the local sheriff and DA were numb nuts, but they actually got someone awaiting trial now on that, but it took about a year or so....

so, lets have faith...

 

[Deleted member 196796]

Just wanted to make a couple of comments. One is in regards to the Sheriff escorting RL to his hearing. Based on the current situation RL is facing a double edge sword of threats. A BG sympathizer (if RL is a witness) or the Delphi lynch mob (guilty until proven innocent). Once Sheriff no more reindeer games like getting enough range time. The Sheriff is tasked with a great deal of admin duties and doesn’t get to shoot much. So, when the county LE needs to increase personal security for a specific inmate you put your best guns in the fight out along the perimeter. Such as far and near down the halls, entries and exits in and out of the courtroom. Getting some quality face time with the media is a plus for the Boss even though he’s currently getting more media coverage than he would care to.

The other is regarding the media coverage of the search of the barn located right across the road from RL’s property. LE is smart and IMO realized they had an opportunity to have a cover (RL’s SW) while searching the barn not located on RL’s property without a SW assuming LE coordinated prior permission with the property owners. IMO LE did the right thing and obtained a SW even though they did not advertise said SW. If any further evidence were discovered at this location it would render LE some investigative security. Or, it’s a possibility that the media didn’t even realize the barn was off of RL’s property. This knowledge is only known to the indigenous population. MOO

 

[Maplesyrup]

This man has a connection to this area imo, if not a local.

What is that connection?

Perhaps has liked railroad bridges since he was young...or perhaps was assaulted as a boy on or near a railroad bridge or track? Maybe he played on or near one? IMO

 

[Wraith13th]

Question... on the Justice for FB page a women recently posted that there was a man whom killed his own father at a young age, molested his own sister and after doing some short time for that this man impersonated LE kidnaped and raped said FB posters 15yr old daughter. This action got him 32 years. According to her he was released in 2010. Picture seems to fit the BG bill.

So my question. Can I post this guys name for sleuthing? I'm guessing since convention was a long time ago he is not registered.???

 

[Dawning3]

Both girls participated in sports - Abby , volleyball and Libby swimming and softball with Abbey planning on joining in with softball. I believe Abbey may also have been in the school band. Your ideas are therefore very valid. We can and have sleuthed RL so that is allowed. If I have any of this wrong, could OPs correct me? MOO.
(I will edit or repost any thing wrong)

I believe the family said both girls were in the school band together. They played the same instrument.


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[SomeoneElse333]

So after reading your post I decided to do some sleuthing on my own website, as well as some general You Tube searching and here is what I found...

Although I can definitely go back to February and look at the ISPs of people who visited my site, there are approximately 200 from that same 48 hour period (12th-14th). While 200 ISPs isn't that many to sort through (comparatively, anyway) it's still a hefty number. Along with the ISPs, it also gives me a town name. Now, this isn't that helpful since sometimes the registered town isn't anywhere near where the actual person and computer were at the time. My own ISP shows up as "St. John's Island, SC" and I am several states away from that. I had my neighbor get on HIS computer in his house and visit my website today. Although we are approximately half a mile apart, our ISPs are the same. Plus, in the three times I visited my own website and in the three times he visited, it registered several different ISP numbers so there wasn't even consistency in THAT.

As far as You Tube videos go, the information I gathered says that ISP addresses are only registered when the person comments, not when they view.

My conclusion, and this is strictly my own opinion from the little experiment I did on my own site, is that while this information might be good when putting a case together to tie it all in, I am not finding it generally useful to narrowing it down to one person. If they had a suspect and were looking for motive and opportunity, they might be able to look up his ISP address and track it to see what sites he visited but to do the reverse is a lot more complicated. A good defense attorney might even argue that it wasn't the perp's computer at all. They would need access to his own computer and his history to really make it "stick."

All of this is moot if the suspect did any commenting.

That's amazing! Thanks so much for taking the time to do that and report back.

I wonder how people in law enforcement or digital forensics do this work. It's fascinating.

Thanks again for the great information! [emoji295]

The above is just my opinion.

 

[mtnlites]

That's amazing! Thanks so much for taking the time to do that and report back.

I wonder how people in law enforcement or digital forensics do this work. It's fascinating.

Thanks again for the great information! [emoji295]


The above is just my opinion.

It was kind of fun! I hadn't played around with stuff like that for a long time. I used to really be into tracking ISP addresses on my site. I made charts and spreadsheets and everything. It was interesting to see what areas people came from the most, the number of times X visited my site, etc. It actually helped me learn that a "mean girl" in high school (someone I hadn't spoken to in 20 years) was getting on my site several times a day. I had no idea. Ended up getting in touch with her and we're friends now. Go figure.

I DO believe that the information can help biuld a case, if it is present.

 

[KyMom]

RL's probation violation isn't the biggest case the town has ever seen. Unless it is definitively connected to the murders.

And who says his personal escorting was a "cryptic" signal. I don't think it was cryptic at all. Not to them. To us, yes. But it wasn't a cryptic statement to those involved in the case.

And in 30 years of tracking missing person and murder cases this is the kind of posturing I've seen in many cases. These things become personal to LE. Especially in small towns.

BBM

His PV isn't, but the murders more than likely are and even if his court appearance had nothing to do with the murders, I don't think it would matter - since there are clearly ppl out there who think he's guilty of them or involved. Plus, as I mentioned before, there's also the things that were being said online, which I'm sure LE were well aware of so (imo) I think safety would still have definitely been a concern for them.

jmo

 

[sumzero]

I have to respectfully disagree. It was extremely high profile with several news outlets covering it. moo

Of course, it was. How much press did it generate? A whole heck of a lot!

 

[skibaboo]

Have you got a link for the March 10th search? TIA.

It wasn't widely reported. I have this though on the case map

[video=twitter;840406494109671427]https://twitter.com/DavidMacAnally/status/840406494109671427[/video]

3/10/2017 - Police investigating near crime scene.
@DavidMacAnally
Police continue their investigation near Delphi crime scene Friday night. On Night beat

 

[WebSight]

Just wanted to make a couple of comments. One is in regards to the Sheriff escorting RL to his hearing. Based on the current situation RL is facing a double edge sword of threats. A BG sympathizer (if RL is a witness) or the Delphi lynch mob (guilty until proven innocent). Once Sheriff no more reindeer games like getting enough range time. The Sheriff is tasked with a great deal of admin duties and doesn’t get to shoot much. So, when the county LE needs to increase personal security for a specific inmate you put your best guns in the fight out along the perimeter. Such as far and near down the halls, entries and exits in and out of the courtroom. Getting some quality face time with the media is a plus for the Boss even though he’s currently getting more media coverage than he would care to.

The other is regarding the media coverage of the search of the barn located right across the road from RL’s property. LE is smart and IMO realized they had an opportunity to have a cover (RL’s SW) while searching the barn not located on RL’s property without a SW assuming LE coordinated prior permission with the property owners. IMO LE did the right thing and obtained a SW even though they did not advertise said SW. If any further evidence were discovered at this location it would render LE some investigative security. Or, it’s a possibility that the media didn’t even realize the barn was off of RL’s property. This knowledge is only known to the indigenous population. MOO

Regarding the Mears property search. I am in agreement that this could have been a concerted effort by LE to search one with cover while searching the other. However, I would think that they would want NO press or would have at least asked the press to film RL's property only. By filming and broadcasting as they did, whatever cover LE might have been trying to maintain, imo, it was lost.

 

[WebSight]

Mears farm probably yes imo based on size. RL no I don't believe so, horses and dogs. MOO.

and IIRC, goats.

 

[asyousay]

Does anybody know how far from the Mears barn was the dump site ?

 

[ImnoSherlock]

Regarding the Mears property search. I am in agreement that this could have been a concerted effort by LE to search one with cover while searching the other. However, I would think that they would want NO press or would have at least asked the press to film RL's property only. By filming and broadcasting as they did, whatever cover LE might have been trying to maintain, imo, it was lost.

Maybe it was just a matter of their boss saying"well since we got everyone here,we might as well search across the street"

 

[WebSight]

Does anybody know how far from the Mears barn was the dump site ?

If you mean the transfer station, it would be exactly the same as the Mears property is only across the street from RL.

 

[margarita25]

Gah qmfr:

I really wonder if, even though LE has been all over that plant, someone has been somehow more seed, past or present employee...all delivery drivers, etc etc

Gah Typo...meant to say has LE missed someone at the plant, past or present...

 

[WebSight]

Maybe it was just a matter of their boss saying"well since we got everyone here,we might as well search across the street"

I believe, according to our two resident attorneys here at WS, both have stated that they would need a search warrant. They couldn't just decide to search because they were there. If they were looking for missing teens, then yes they could but looking for evidence requires more. I think I have that right. Hopefully Alethea or Gitana1 will correct me if I misunderstood.