IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #59

[MistyWaters]

Yeah if you find it I'd be super interested in seeing it!!

Yesterday I tried to find Otto's list of similarities as well but couldn't. But during my search it was very interesting to read posts on the earlier threads leaving me with the thought that discussion of this case is sort of stuck in a time warp.

 

[Dr.Strangelove]

So if it was her backyard, why were they driven there and dropped off? Were you driven to your backyard? I don't get that part of it.

I live about three minutes from a state park. It borders my back hard, but I still used to have my mom or dad drive me there to go hike or explore. Walking to the desired local wasted time and energy. All JMO but i dont think its that weird.

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[MsJosie]

To obtain phone records in criminal cases, law enforcement must get a search warrant from a judge, who must determine that there is probable cause to believe the target has committed a crime.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/06/local/me-onthelaw6

Is this true in all states? Just curious. Thanks

 

[Sapere aude]

Has this case been discussed here ?

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...und-dead-near-where-two-teenage-gir/21873536/

 

[Agent Apricot]

Lyric and Elizabeth were abducted in July, school would have been out for summer vacation for awhile by then. However the dates of the crimes are freakishly mirrored.

Iowa: 7-13-12 Delphi: 2-13-17 Let that soak in a minute..

This was mentioned early on. Lizzy's father also mentioned the number 32-

Drew Collins told Inside Edition: "Someone brought it to my attention, I looked at it and if you look it up, I guess it has a lot of meaning to the occult."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.insideedition.com/headlines/22086-has-indiana-killer-struck-before-eerie-similarities-emerge-with-2012-case-of-2-slain-girls/amp

 

[Jo in Calif]

Has this case been discussed here ?

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...und-dead-near-where-two-teenage-gir/21873536/

Yes it was, no connection.

 

[ClementineK]

Yesterday I tried to find Otto's list of similarities as well but couldn't. But during my search it was very interesting to read posts on the earlier threads leaving me with the thought that discussion of this case is sort of stuck in a time warp.

Like as in people ran out of things to discuss as there wasn't much info released in either case?

I understand why the police may need to keep details to themselves. It's just SO hard to sleuth without knowing more. lease: lease:

 

[ClementineK]

This was mentioned early on. Lizzy's father also mentioned the number 32-

Drew Collins told Inside Edition: "Someone brought it to my attention, I looked at it and if you look it up, I guess it has a lot of meaning to the occult."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.insideedition.com/headlines/22086-has-indiana-killer-struck-before-eerie-similarities-emerge-with-2012-case-of-2-slain-girls/amp

Good information!! Thank you!!!

 

[MistyWaters]

I live about three minutes from a state park. It borders my back hard, but I still used to have my mom or dad drive me there to go hike or explore. Walking to the desired local wasted time and energy. All JMO but i dont think its that weird.

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When I lived in a rural area it wasn't an option to walk anywhere on roads because they were gravel and vehicles passing by created a huge cloud of dust and flung small bits of rocks.

 

[MistyWaters]

Like as in people ran out of things to discuss as there wasn't much info released in either case?

I understand why the police may need to keep details to themselves. It's just SO hard to sleuth without knowing more. lease: lease:

How I look at is LE must have good reason not to release any more information than they already have. Anyone who murders young girls is clearly dangerous.

I'm always left pondering if there's a link to organized crime and the girls were innocent victims of retaliation and reprisal. If so, that also explains why LE is being tight lipped. Early on they did indicate this was a very complex case.

 

[Sightnotgonegirl]

Apparently, there's a ton more audio. A lot more than the loop plays. There's evidence there , but it's not being released.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

A great big :welcome6:

to all new members and remember your inbox will only allow you to store a few emails before it becomes full. The more you post, the more emails you can store.

 

[MistyWaters]

On the topic of organized crime, it might sound rather radical but I'm going to share as best that I can a firsthand account that I read somewhere. It keeps coming back to me. I've forgotten some of the details but reading it entirely changed my perception of gangs.

It was written by someone presently in jail. His story began when he became involved in drugs, without really realizing the direction his life was to take. Because he couldn't always pay for his addiction he began to commit petty crimes in exchange for drugs. As time when by the "tasks" he was expected to complete became deeper and darker, about the same time he decided he wanted out. He had a wife and children and he claimed then he was threatened with their lives if he didn't continue to cooperate. There was no walking away. At that point he seriously considered suicide to free himself but then there'd be no one to provide for his family. As time went on he got deeper and deeper into drugs in order to numb his conscience and he continued to do whatever the gang leaders instructed him to do without question until eventually he justified it as a means to keep his family safe and alive. At some point in time he was finally arrested and to him it was a relief because he was able to begin to break free.

I'm not recounting his story nearly as well as he did because his emotional struggle and turmoil was so very clearly articulated. But it left me with a different viewpoint of organized crime, learning that the control they keep over their members is not always voluntary.


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[Jennifer17]

As far as I know Franfort/Frankfurt is located straight south of Delphi, not north of Delphi as you said.

That is a bit strange.

 

[0101ABA]

Apparently, there's a ton more audio. A lot more than the loop plays. There's evidence there , but it's not being released.

Do you have a link to this info about there being a lot more audio? I know it's been speculated & it's my personal belief that there is at least something more we haven't heard yet, but I can't remember it ever being confirmed. Thanks in advance

 

[JJ007]

I know we've gone over the Larry DeWayne Hall (description below) thing in the past, but I watched a "trailer" for an episode (S2, E12 - Evil Twin) of "On the Case with Paula Zahn." It's a TV show. Anyway, I can't find the episode anywhere online and I refuse to buy the series on Amazon, but I'm quickly changing my mind after reading some excerpts from IMDB on the show.... It's yet another chilling piece of information on a potential killer still in the area.

It states that at one point the police had DNA evidence pointing to Gary Hall (Twin brother of Larry Dewayne Hall - a serial killer), but for some reason shifted their focus to Larry whos DNA would obviously be the same. It's obvious that Larry was a killer and did in fact admit to killings, but also stated he was tired of covering up for Gary - that he didn't commit all these murders himself. It is a fact that Gary traveled with him to Civil War sites where bodies were found. So, my question is can anyone watch this and tell me what it was that shifted their focus to larry and didn't include Gary as well? There is tons more to this story, but it seems like the more I learn the more I think this is quite interesting.

Larry / Gary Dynamic"

Both raised in same household.
Both Civil War Re-enactment Actors traveling together
It is viewed that Larry was effected by a lack oxygen at birth, but if you watch the CNN special on Larry Dewayne Hall it appearas both were effected IMO a longtime reason for Larry's killing spree, that his disability pushed him into the life so to speak.
Both from Wabash IN, Garry still lives close, Larry in prison for life.
Many double victims, including a possible tripple - this is hard for 1 to do.
On and on including police at one point believing (Wabash Homicide Detective) Gary was guilty too, but no evidence.
At one point Gary tried to give a false alibi for Larry, but was caught by police.
How did police have his DNA originally?

So, if anyone can watch the episode and let me know that would be great if you can find it. I've tried the torrent route and everything and can't dint it anywhere.

 

[ClementineK]

On the topic of organized crime, it might sound rather radical but I'm going to share as best that I can a firsthand account that I read somewhere. It keeps coming back to me. I've forgotten some of the details but reading it entirely changed my perception of gangs.

It was written by someone presently in jail. His story began when he became involved in drugs, without really realizing the direction his life was to take. Because he couldn't always pay for his addiction he began to commit petty crimes in exchange for drugs. As time when by the "tasks" he was expected to complete became deeper and darker, about the same time he decided he wanted out. He had a wife and children and he claimed then he was threatened with their lives if he didn't continue to cooperate. There was no walking away. At that point he seriously considered suicide to free himself but then there'd be no one to provide for his family. As time went on he got deeper and deeper into drugs in order to numb his conscience and he continued to do whatever the gang leaders instructed him to do without question until eventually he justified it as a means to keep his family safe and alive. At some point in time he was finally arrested and to him it was a relief because he was able to begin to break free.

I'm not recounting his story nearly as well as he did because his emotional struggle and turmoil was so very clearly articulated. But it left me with a different viewpoint of organized crime, learning that the control they keep over their members is not always voluntary.


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That's very interesting. And also sad for all involved.

 

[ClementineK]

I know we've gone over the Larry DeWayne Hall (description below) thing in the past, but I watched a "trailer" for an episode (S2, E12 - Evil Twin) of "On the Case with Paula Zahn." It's a TV show. Anyway, I can't find the episode anywhere online and I refuse to buy the series on Amazon, but I'm quickly changing my mind after reading some excerpts from IMDB on the show.... It's yet another chilling piece of information on a potential killer still in the area.

It states that at one point the police had DNA evidence pointing to Gary Hall (Twin brother of Larry Dewayne Hall - a serial killer), but for some reason shifted their focus to Larry whos DNA would obviously be the same. It's obvious that Larry was a killer and did in fact admit to killings, but also stated he was tired of covering up for Gary - that he didn't commit all these murders himself. It is a fact that Gary traveled with him to Civil War sites where bodies were found. So, my question is can anyone watch this and tell me what it was that shifted their focus to larry and didn't include Gary as well? There is tons more to this story, but it seems like the more I learn the more I think this is quite interesting.

Larry / Gary Dynamic"

Both raised in same household.
Both Civil War Re-enactment Actors traveling together
It is viewed that Larry was effected by a lack oxygen at birth, but if you watch the CNN special on Larry Dewayne Hall it appearas both were effected IMO a longtime reason for Larry's killing spree, that his disability pushed him into the life so to speak.
Both from Wabash IN, Garry still lives close, Larry in prison for life.
Many double victims, including a possible tripple - this is hard for 1 to do.
On and on including police at one point believing (Wabash Homicide Detective) Gary was guilty too, but no evidence.
At one point Gary tried to give a false alibi for Larry, but was caught by police.
How did police have his DNA originally?

So, if anyone can watch the episode and let me know that would be great if you can find it. I've tried the torrent route and everything and can't dint it anywhere.

Maybe Youtube? Usually full tv show episodes aren't supposed to be posted but some manage to get on there anyway.

 

[ClementineK]

Do you have a link to this info about there being a lot more audio? I know it's been speculated & it's my personal belief that there is at least something more we haven't heard yet, but I can't remember it ever being confirmed. Thanks in advance

I remember seeing it mentioned on the blog that we don't pay mind to, and maybe mentioned here and there (although I can't remember where, sorry) but I've always assumed that's where other people got it from also. I'd be interested to know if that was confirmed anywhere also.

 

[Burnt Toast]

After watching RL's life turned upside down, I am not sure I would come forward.

RL's life was turned upside down much because of his own actions. he violated every part of this probation, which caused his arrest, and it sounds like he may not have been truthful during LE's investigation of a double homicide. he also stopped cooperating with police. he did a bit of digging his own grave. at some point people are responsible for their own actions. to me RL has made some very poor choices, and now he is paying the price. he can't blame anyone else but himself.