IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #62

[theirmommy]

RSBM:

Hopefully now RL's head will be off the chopping block. The poor guy has been railroaded enough.

Obviously, that is NOT him. )

Im just catching up with the breaking news (had to take a break after the Bucks Co boys) and wanted to say thank you for the BBM!!!

 

[2Hope4]

Please let there be an arrest soon! I'm hopeful with the sketch released, that someone who had a feeling about a certain person, will see this sketch, and it will further concern them about a person and they'll call now! Please oh please.... this murderer is still free. As long as he is free, he has the capabilities of killing someone else! He must be stopped!!! Do the right thing! Make that call!!

 

[Shiressleuth]

I thought so too. Evidentially he had been discussed in the early threads and I assume there was some disagreement maybe? The only heated discussions I saw were concerning RL but I didnt read every thread either. So Tricia said no. Jdd is who I am talking about.

Ok yes we are talking about the same guy. Never mind then.

 

[cluciano63]

Was his face so compelling it blocked the memory of the hat?? Or what?

 

[trigger]

Who? If you mean BW, his mug was already posted.

Sorry-JDD

 

[Jerrod]

The fact that the put a newsies hat on this guy then say don't pay attention to the hat makes me wonder why even put on one? Maybe because that is what some see in the original pic?

The person that got close enough to say "no blue eyes" should know what the hat/hair looked like, it seems!

The "no blue eyes" undoubtedly refers to the results of a DNA screening process known as IrisPlex. It would confirm that DNA was retrieved from the crime scene, and that there is no DNA database match at this point, or an arrest would've been made.

 

[pandorasbox]

They have been working on it for a long time near where I 65 meets 25. Also, that portion of 25, the "Hoosier Heartland Highway", opened just under 5 years ago. So it's possible that someone worked on that area of 25, which was very very close to the murder, and returned to the area working on I65.

How long have they been working on I-65 in that area?

Some of the workers may be from out of town but know the area (because they stay there for several months) and aren't well known to locals. My husband is an engineer for a construction company, and I know how his workers are. Also they need to be looking at any plants around that travel in workers for extended time periods. Also the blue jacket reminds me of something plant workers would wear.

I'm going to show this to him when he gets home tonight because he's had projects close by.

 

[trigger]

Please let there be an arrest soon! I'm hopeful with the sketch released, that someone who had a feeling about a certain person, will see this sketch, and it will further concern them about a person and they'll call now! Please oh please.... this murderer is still free. As long as he is free, he has the capabilities of killing someone else! He must be stopped!!! Do the right thing! Make that call!!

I wish they would have posted the sketch before vacation time. But praying for justice!!!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Honestly we shouldn't be going by the hoodie, hat, or facial hair anyway as he can easily change all of those. Harder to change the shape of your eyes and nose and head.

Agree about the clothing...except that, the drawing does show a distinctive pattern to his facial hair growth. So if he IS going about unshaven, that stands out to me with some of the mugshots I've been browsing today (24 from Carroll County, and 225 from Tippecanoe). In the composite, the subject has two distinctive oval patches under his lower lip that are hairless. So IF he is still wearing a beard or goatee, that should be noticed, as it appears to be a hair-growth pattern common to some goatees but not others.

The subject also has a somewhat bulbous nose with flattened midline ridge, a relatively shortened and indistinct philtrum (central area between tip of nose to top of upper lip), wide-set eyes (more than an eye's width apart), and well-defined (but not bushy) eyebrows. His hair appears somewhat untamed and wiry, rather than laying down flat against his head. His ears are not prominent, and he appears to have at least the beginnings of middle-aged jowl.

They said when releasing this composite today to concentrate on the facial features, not the clothing--and the variance with the hat might even be to encourage that (though he may have been wearing a similar cap when seen by the witness). So maybe try to tick these specific features off along with the height and weight when comparing this photo to possible suspects.

 

[Criminal Justice mom]

Here's a quirky thought on my part. What jumped out at me is that today's date is 7-17-17, and it reads exactly the same backwards and forwards. LE chose THIS date to release the sketch. Made me wonder if LE is trying to send a 'coded' message to the perp.

During the discussion here in earlier months it was pointed out repeatedly that the Iowa cousins, Lizzie and Lyric were abducted on 7-13-12. Reading those same numbers backwards exactly is 2-13-17, the same date that Abby and Libby were abducted. Many people questioned whether that could be more than just a very eerie coincidence. They wondered if it was 'proof' that the killer was the same for both sets of girls.

Seeing this date today with the same backward and forward sequence of numbers has made me wonder if LE believes there IS a connection too.

Then again, I may be completely wrong about this. Really could mean nothing at all. Thought it was worth a mention anyway...

Wow! That's very clever and thought out! Sounds like a Criminal Minds episode!

 

[1&2&3]

This face looks nothing like the picture in my mind from the video pictures we've seen. It is amazing what a detailed sketch this is.

If LE is advising the hat may be different, perhaps they need to post a sketch without the hat so people don't get hung up on it. To me, his face is very noticeable and stands out on its own.

Come to think of it in the discussion of him being a transient, I don't think so. He looks neat, clean, well dressed in the type of clothes he is wearing, his facial hair is in control, and IF that is the correct type of hat, it is a classy style.

Of course, Goodwill could supply him with all his clothing, so who really knows?

 

[callyn]

This was just on my local TV news here in Southern California.

 

[Rott Mom]

"Primetime Justice" on HLN will be covering this tonight - although I know they will probably get everything
wrong - IMO.

 

[minazoe]

I think that blue coat stands out..someone knows this guy and knows that coat..they can't see his face too well, so they may try to deny it's the person they know, but they ALSO know that well worn blue coat.

they know that coat...he has had that coat a very long time. MOOSKI

 

[Criminal Justice mom]

Agree about the clothing...except that, the drawing does show a distinctive pattern to his facial hair growth. So if he IS going about unshaven, that stands out to me with some of the mugshots I've been browsing today (24 from Carroll County, and 225 from Tippancoe). In the composite, the subject has two distinctive oval patches under his lower lip that are hairless. So IF he is still wearing a beard or goatee, that should be noticed, as it appears to be a hair-growth pattern common to some goatees but not others.

The subject also has a somewhat bulbous nose with flattened midline ridge, a relatively shortened and indistinct philtrum (central area between tip of nose to top of upper lip), wide-set eyes (more than an eye's width apart), and well-defined (but not bushy) eyebrows. His hair appears somewhat untamed and wiry, rather than laying down flat against his head. His ears are not prominent, and he appears to have at least the beginnings of middle-aged jowl.

They said when releasing this composite today to concentrate on the facial features, not the clothing--and the variance with the hat might even be to encourage that (though he may have been wearing a similar cap when seen by the witness). So maybe try to tick these specific features off along with the height and weight when comparing this photo to possible suspects.

In a Criminology class that I once took a portion of the course was dedicated to recognizing and defining certain facial features and characteristics. The professor who was teaching had also worked as a homicide detective for a couple of decades. He told us how often witnesses have a hard time describing facial features because they dont have the correct terminology. When witnesses struggle they are sometimes given a book filled with many different nose types, eye shapes, spaces etc to help them pick the correct feature. Doing a scetch that way seems less overwhelming in my opinion then having to describe each thing to a sketch artist to draw and correct. Could that be how numerous tips came together to make up the sketch?

 

[gitana1]

Looks nothing like RL IMO

Definitively. No comparison.

There was a photo on Facebook that a woman in California shared after she encountered a man who was photographing children in a park. She reported it to Delphi investigators and the FBI, considering that the man could resemble BG.

I wonder if investigators found a link?

I hope it is OK to share the link, mods? https://www.facebook.com/groups/694459687392156/permalink/731553620349429/


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Great sleuthing. I thought there was a striking likeness around the mouth/muzzle area. But if that occurred in CA I doubt a connection.

So interesting you say that, Tricia, because my thought was the dude in the sketch doesn't look anything like what I'd imagined based on the stills!

This guy looks quite a bit younger than I'd imagined, too, and it is also interesting, IMO, that no age estimate is given.

Praying that this beast is caught soon. I live a few hours away, and to think that he is out on the streets is really, really scary.

Agreed! I thought the guy looked grizzled, salt and pepper hair, bigger nose, and in his 50's to 60's.

Does anyone else see a resemblance to a guy inmate arrested from Kokomo JDD for an attempted rape of an 11 year old girl? The eye brows, eyes, nose and facial hair are similar. I know we can't name him here or post side by side photos. (Apologies in advance if not allowed)

Him too.

Give me 15 mintues and I will post transcript.

HTH

Bless your soul!!!

I just find it odd that this guy was lagging behind, at such a significant distance from the 2 girls, with his eyes looking down at the pavement. IMO, no abductor would be that trusting of two teen girls not making an attempt to escap


Does anybody feel like me that either this isn't the abductor, or this guy had an accomplice?

No.

It's quite sad but I feel like either one or both pf these little girls had great instincts - sharp, observant and knew when something was wrong. Yet they still got murdered.

I think the guy was walking closely behind them, in a way that seemed menacing even though he wasn't looking at them - the proximity would've been odd and frightening even without eye contact.

He may have been keeping his head down so they couldn't identify him in case they did get away. But I think he was sizing them up when he could, making a decision as to whether he would try to attack them or not.

I think he likely worked alone and probably used a gun or some other means to threaten them into compliance.

As I watched the presser, I always look at body language. JMO, but I think they know a lot more but I am happy they released the sketch. We need to remember that Delphi has never seen a crime like this before so today's presser I am sure made them a little nervous when speaking

Man, glad to hear that interpretation. While there were some stutters (or slips of the tongue and forgetting officer's names), their body language seemed relaxed to me. I don;t know if that's good or bad. Or if I am wrong. Did they seem confident to you?

And if they did, could that be problematic? Because aren't officers kind of wired and tense when they've finally got their guy? I don't know. Thoughts?

 

[2Hope4]

As to the date thing... well from 7-11-17 through 7-19-17 the dates do the same thing. Reversed is the same as forward. So not sure that today's date is any more significant..but time will tell!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

In a Criminology class that I once took a portion of the course was dedicated to recognizing and defining certain facial features and characteristics. The professor who was teaching had also worked as a homicide detective for a couple of decades. He told us how often witnesses have a hard time describing facial features because they dont have the correct terminology. When witnesses struggle they are sometimes given a book filled with many different nose types, eye shapes, spaces etc to help them pick the correct feature. Doing a scetch that way seems less overwhelming in my opinion then having to describe each thing to a sketch artist to draw and correct. Could that be how numerous tips came together to make up the sketch?

More than likely--think that is commonly how these are drawn up.

 

[gitana1]

This face looks nothing like the picture in my mind from the video pictures we've seen. It is amazing what a detailed sketch this is.

If LE is advising the hat may be different, perhaps they need to post a sketch without the hat so people don't get hung up on it. To me, his face is very noticeable and stands out on its own.

Come to think of it in the discussion of him being a transient, I don't think so. He looks neat, clean, well dressed in the type of clothes he is wearing, his facial hair is in control, and IF that is the correct type of hat, it is a classy style.

Of course, Goodwill could supply him with all his clothing, so who really knows?

It's beautifully detailed!!

But how can they do a sketch without a hat if they don't know what his hairline looks like? That would be worse. IMO.

 

[Jabarn]

Here's a quirky thought on my part. What jumped out at me is that today's date is 7-17-17, and it reads exactly the same backwards and forwards. LE chose THIS date to release the sketch. Made me wonder if LE is trying to send a 'coded' message to the perp.

During the discussion here in earlier months it was pointed out repeatedly that the Iowa cousins, Lizzie and Lyric were abducted on 7-13-12. Reading those same numbers backwards exactly is 2-13-17, the same date that Abby and Libby were abducted. Many people questioned whether that could be more than just a very eerie coincidence. They wondered if it was 'proof' that the killer was the same for both sets of girls.

Seeing this date today with the same backward and forward sequence of numbers has made me wonder if LE believes there IS a connection too.

Then again, I may be completely wrong about this. Really could mean nothing at all. Thought it was worth a mention anyway...

I have always felt the POI was a random killer, firstly, but I have never gotten a firm handle on the motive.

Since we have the opportunity to discuss this case again (thanks, mods), it is an important aspect, IMO, to look at everything, including the dates, which is something as outsiders to the official investigation easy to examine.

Of course, this sounds like a movie plot, so couldn't possibly be, right? On the other hand, who knows what is going on with the logic of a child murderer.

FWIW:

In 2017, people who write their dates in the m-dd-yy format will be treated to 10 consecutive days of palindromic dates. Every day from July 10, 2017 (7-10-17) to July 19, 2017 (7-19-17) will have a palindromic date.

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/palindrome-day.html