grayhuze
Gray Hughes
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Thank you.
That is some really good information to help those of us who are not local to the area.
I have to bet that canoe trips down that river was very popular with teens growing up in that town. Kayak is possible too although when I grew up canoes were more popular and more easier to control without worrying too much about capsizing so I suspect guys and gals growing up would have done canoe trips on that river.
If he grew up in that town like a lot of us suspect then I am guessing he may have canoed that river during his high school years there.
It would be good to talk to locals who grew up and went to school there to see if they can identify any people that may have stood out to them or heard rumors about.
Its a shot in the dark worth taking. Im hoping LE has already thought of doing that by now. I hope.
ETA I highlighted some key points . Thanks again as that is great information.
I really think we are on the right track thinking along these lines.
Just a thought. Perhaps someone even already mentioned this, but what if he was visiting the gravesite of one of his other kills in that nearby cemetery? Perhaps that's why he was there that day? Then he wanted to have that feel of a kill again? Just a thought.
It was just my system and it seems ok now. Thanks for the info. What is the consensus? Were any of the 3 structures possibly a hideout for illegal activity, surveillance or rough sleeping? As the police were all over the area I cannot believe they weren't checked anyway.Unfortunately these attachments from GH and FD are not loading for me. Is anyone else having problems?
For now I am sticking with the transient theory.
I think the photo of him on the bridge shows he was carrying a pretty large gun under his jacket and he had on layers of clothes so he was prepared for any weather and to make it through the night clothing wise.
I would have hoped by now LE would have checked any of the soup kitchens or missions where people sometimes have to register to get food or stay the night.
I have a feeling he had already spent the night in the area where he was about to lead the girls.
Though I understand your views about the transient possibility, the guy just does not present many transient vibes to me. Please consider the following:
- Multi layered clothing is very common amongst mid western farmers, tradesmen and industrial workers. So in Indiana, it does not indicate a transient to the same degree that it would in say, CA or FL.
- His clothes, though not fashionable by any stretch of the immagination, are neat, clean and possibly even color coordinated to a degree.
- Though he could have left it in the bushes, he is not carrying a back pack favored by homeless, nor was one evidently recovered from the scene.
- If the imprint under his clothing is a large pistol, such a weapon is unlikely to be carried by a transient. They are expensive, heavy, and can attract unwanted attention as well as police inquiries about permits. In addition, I bet many shelters refuse entry to transients carrying obvious weapons. In short, I could see a transient perpetrator with a small disposable type pistol, but not a large one.
but the girls are so young, they don't know better, this is the definition of vulnerability , i am sorry to say this but anything can be a lure for the young , innocent , inexperienced young girls....i cannot believe anyone who was around during the 60's and seventies doesn't agree with me 100% because young girls are people an they have free will and they run wild a little because its fun and they want to.
to just try and paint them as a frozen photo and say they were too innocent and victims etc...is to deny them their humanity and obstructs...it just obstructs the investigation because we have to look at the possibility that they went there to meet someone...we have to , regardless if they are children.
In my mind we owe them that . MOO
We can only hope. But Sgt. Holeman did an interview on the 6th month anniversary the girls were found. Typically this is done when LE is clueless.this case needs John Walsh, I wonder what it is about this case that is keeping it off the mainstream media. It seems a case just made for endless speculation and coverage. This guy is going to do this again and again, I bet he eventually reaches out and tries to taunt the cops or family.
because he is not getting the attention he DESERVES! right?
we have to find him, he's looking for his next "project", opportunity...I wonder if they have uber or lyft drivers out that way...a job with no schedule, plenty of time to linger around in your car doing nothing.
the silence of police makes me wonder if they actually have their suspect and are watching him and waiting for the moment they can take him down.
for all we know they are sitting outside his home right now, following him to the grocery store, watching him night and day, tapping his phones and monitoring his computer and sorting his garbage.
I hope he is wildly paranoid now and running on empty. MOO
he may be a guy who lurks around in his car, lurks around parking lots, shopping centers, park trails waiting for a vulnerable girl..or girls, or maybe children. Perhaps he has killed before, killed children before, maybe even little boys. If he kills for sadistic pleasure he may not be partial to male or female victims as long as they are children, or perhaps he only kills females or fantasizes about females and is not partial to a particular age.
IMO
Your reference to a "hobo" is funny. In convo recently I used that term then realized if you said same to kids today they'd be like, "huh?"JMO to try and help.
At 3:54 and especially the one at 29:16 that building looks to be a chicken coop or other type building that would house some small birds or livestock. Buildings big like that are some type of animals usually being raised for food or eggs.
They would not make for a good hide out because of the smell and also the animals like birds would make a racket when someone goes inside one of those buildings.
I cant make out much else from the helicopter footage because he goes too fast over things.
One thing i did find interesting is the view of the searchers in the water at 30:30. At the
31:00 mark it shows how good of a hiding spot the BG had down the slope to the water. Because from up on the land you cannot see down as the slope goes down to the water. He would have been hidden down on the slope where the girls were found. The only way someone could have ever spotted him was if they went down the slope themselves or were on the total opposite side of the creek.
He had a very hidden spot where they were found. Its another reason I think he was transient because transients tend to find places similar to this where they would not be disturbed.
Sorry to be hung up on my transient theory. If it turns out he was the hobo type then I suspect he had stayed at that spot on numerous other occasions in the past. Which means he does have some sort of tie to the area. Maybe grew up there as a teenager or something.
[video=youtube;HvhKS1eRIMM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvhKS1eRIMM[/video]
MAYBE ...BG lurked from structure near the start of the trail, beckoned to girls early on, they ignored him... he reappeared in hot pursuit on bridge and they realized it was him again, took photo ...It was just my system and it seems ok now. Thanks for the info. What is the consensus? Were any of the 3 structures possibly a hideout for illegal activity, surveillance or rough sleeping? As the police were all over the area I cannot believe they weren't checked anyway.
This is still super high on my list, too. Even would have given him a little time to go get his kit together and get over thwre. But certainky, if that was the case, they would have store footage and would have released other pics of the dude, huh?I still wonder whether the sister and the girls stopped anywhere on the way to the bridge. Did they stop and get snacks at a minimart or a gas station?
I feel like someone might have seen them and followed to see where they were all going. And when they saw the 2 younger girls getting out alone, maybe he/they waited and followed them after the sister drove off?
This is still super high on my list, too. Even would have given him a little time to go get his kit together and get over thwre. But certainky, if that was the case, they would have store footage and would have released other pics of the dude, huh?
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