IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #67

[Trino]

Sometimes before I go to sleep, I think of the girls and the scant information we have been given, as I try to re-create the crime scenario. If LE, with much information and help of the FBI, cannot solve the case, why should I think I can? Still, I continue.

It's a Catch 22, where LE wants help from the public, yet they don't give the public enough information. IMO there should be a law about murder victims. If a murder isn't solved in two (2) years, LE must give the public more information. At five (5) years, more information to the public, and at seven (7) years even more information. At ten (10) years, an investigation must be called a cold case.

It's obvious that LE (not just Delphi) would not be giving the same attention to a murder investigation at year one than they would give at year five or ten, yet at year ten it could still be called active. I don't see it this way.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Long time ago, I found a newsarticle. When I clicked onto something (what button was it?) I saw the pic of BG (on bridge) and first it showed BG shorter in length and more in width. I was excited to probably see the first time the "right" pic of BG (a completely other type of man than before) BUT seconds later the pic changed into the pic we know.
I still haven't forgotten this pic (like a flash) and my feelings re "this might be the original person". Since that time I'm always considering if the BG pic we know is optimal in showing his optics. My personally POI would match this "flashing pic" more than the usual pic: less tall, more stocky.

You may find that in the image thread. Was it the third image that Nin found?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

You may find that in the image thread. Was it the third image that Nin found?

Maybe, it was that 3rd pic. I don't know. And I don't search for the pic because this technically process (changing from stocky BG to tall BG) wouldn't be repeatable.

 

[DarkSkink]

Sometimes before I go to sleep, I think of the girls and the scant information we have been given, as I try to re-create the crime scenario. If LE, with much information and help of the FBI, cannot solve the case, why should I think I can? Still, I continue.

It's a Catch 22, where LE wants help from the public, yet they don't give the public enough information. IMO there should be a law about murder victims. If a murder isn't solved in two (2) years, LE must give the public more information. At five (5) years, more information to the public, and at seven (7) years even more information. At ten (10) years, an investigation must be called a cold case.

It's obvious that LE (not just Delphi) would not be giving the same attention to a murder investigation at year one than they would give at year five or ten, yet at year ten it could still be called active. I don't see it this way.

That would be almost impossible to enforce. At 2 years, they could release the girls' shoe size.

When you have a case to build, and you need all the proof you can get to secure a conviction, letting the wrong piece of information out may cost you that conviction.

How they were killed or where they found the phone could be critical information that sways the jury come trial. If the perp gets recorded talking about those details, it's evidence if the details were never published. If it's published, the the defence says it was just the perp repeating what he read in the paper.

No one can predict the future so accurately that they should take that chance. So they don't.

 

[margarita25]

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...-help-track-down-teen-girls-killer/673577001/

Delphi families send fliers across the country to help track down teen girls’ killer

Now, the girls' families are taking yet another approach to find the man who brutally murdered their teens in the woods in Delphi.

“We want to cover the entire U.S. with this picture so he cannot go into a town where there is not a flier starting at him in the face,” said Becky.

The family is printing and sending out thousands of fliers and passing out bumper stickers. Each one has a photo of the suspect, the girls, and the tip line phone number. The goal is to send them out in packets to people across the nation.

This is great!

 

[Ember123]

Sometimes before I go to sleep, I think of the girls and the scant information we have been given, as I try to re-create the crime scenario. If LE, with much information and help of the FBI, cannot solve the case, why should I think I can? Still, I continue.

It's a Catch 22, where LE wants help from the public, yet they don't give the public enough information. IMO there should be a law about murder victims. If a murder isn't solved in two (2) years, LE must give the public more information. At five (5) years, more information to the public, and at seven (7) years even more information. At ten (10) years, an investigation must be called a cold case.

It's obvious that LE (not just Delphi) would not be giving the same attention to a murder investigation at year one than they would give at year five or ten, yet at year ten it could still be called active. I don't see it this way.

I hear ya! This case has captured my attention with such a degree of intensity I have found myself grappling to glean any insight I can from the scantest of details as if it is all going to come to me ... when the truth is we may never know what really happened. Even if BG is apprehended (which I hope and pray happens soon!) will we learn the answers to these questions that vex us? I think the presence of the bridge and the ages of these sweet girls are what really gets me ... the crossing of that bridge being such an unusual circumstance when it comes to a murder case ... the tender age of these girls out for a walk on that fateful day ... something I am sure we can all relate to, walking with a close friend, talking ... and then THIS happens??!!

<modsnip>

I check in here often, daily at LEAST! I appreciate all of you who have hung in here. I ask myself what can WE do to bring this case to the forefront again? Could the Indy football team owner/player get this pic and sketch to appear during games on the ball field BigScreen this upcoming season or at least this fall? Could interested parties each send in $25 or $40 to receive a packet of posters & plaster them everywhere? Where does nearly EVERY citizen go that we could shine a light on BG? Gas stations? ATMs? Grocery stores? IDK. Brainstorming needed!
Anyone got any ideas on how we could help to spread the photos and sketch around more pervasively? Any Foundations out there of similar basis that would pitch some funding in? IDK. All very frustrating. It would seem the reward $ would be enough and yet ... nothing yet, that we know of. Anyone got any fresh new ideas here? If so please bring them forth!

 

[Trino]

IMO shoe size is more than has been released now.

 

[OtisC]

With this much time and a picture (even as grainy as it is), yet no arrest, makes me begin to wonder if a disguise was used.

 

[ozazure]

The thing with information is that some just satisfies our curiosity and informs our personal theories, and some is potentially identifying.

That he wears a certain brand of shoe is potentially identifying although almost next to useless, that he killed them a certain way is likely not identifying, so there is more value in withholding it.

But then again ... I listened to the 48 podcast yesterday and the Marc O'Leary case, the investigator became aware of a similar case via venting to her husband, another officer, who recognised a similarity. Would have the ties between cases been made via official channels eventually? Perhaps. It is unfortunate that word of mouth, whether it be in person or via the media, might supersede the technology we have in place to cross reference crimes. Media stories fall on the ears of LE as well as civilians.

 

[ozazure]

With this much time and a picture (even as grainy as it is), yet no arrest, makes me begin to wonder if a disguise was used.

I'd be interested in the eye witnesses impressions of his clothing. Did he look like he had stuff inside his jacket? Was wearing more than one layer? I am sure LE has a pretty good idea of this stuff, and maybe it should be stated if his overall shape was substantially changed by how he outfitted himself for the crime.

 

[DarkSkink]

IMO shoe size is more than has been released now.

Well, unfortunately, if a witness came forward with a tip that they overheard someone talking about doing something to one of the victims' size 6 shoes...

 

[opalpearl]

I'd be interested in the eye witnesses impressions of his clothing. Did he look like he had stuff inside his jacket? Was wearing more than one layer? I am sure LE has a pretty good idea of this stuff, and maybe it should be stated if his overall shape was substantially changed by how he outfitted himself for the crime.

Also curious about the state of his hygiene and clothing.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I hear ya! This case has captured my attention with such a degree of intensity I have found myself grappling to glean any insight I can from the scantest of details as if it is all going to come to me ... when the truth is we may never know what really happened. Even if BG is apprehended (which I hope and pray happens soon!) will we learn the answers to these questions that vex us? I think the presence of the bridge and the ages of these sweet girls are what really gets me ... the crossing of that bridge being such an unusual circumstance when it comes to a murder case ... the tender age of these girls out for a walk on that fateful day ... something I am sure we can all relate to, walking with a close friend, talking ... and then THIS happens??!!

<modsnip>

I check in here often, daily at LEAST! I appreciate all of you who have hung in here. I ask myself what can WE do to bring this case to the forefront again? Could the Indy football team owner/player get this pic and sketch to appear during games on the ball field BigScreen this upcoming season or at least this fall? Could interested parties each send in $25 or $40 to receive a packet of posters & plaster them everywhere? Where does nearly EVERY citizen go that we could shine a light on BG? Gas stations? ATMs? Grocery stores? IDK. Brainstorming needed!
Anyone got any ideas on how we could help to spread the photos and sketch around more pervasively? Any Foundations out there of similar basis that would pitch some funding in? IDK. All very frustrating. It would seem the reward $ would be enough and yet ... nothing yet, that we know of. Anyone got any fresh new ideas here? If so please bring them forth!

bbm red
Fliers to: Social clubs, physicians, schools, snack bars, cafeterias, banks, adoption agencies, unions of craftsmen, unions of technicians, gambling places, casinos, internet cafes, YMCA, gyms, .... Maybe with the note: "Could already be dead. Nevertheless tips are needed."

PS: Do ask me! 40 years ago I searched for a possible bio father of my husband (I had an old pic and a lot of details but never found him.)

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Also curious about the state of his hygiene and clothing.

He looks quite clean, pics of him on bridge and the sketch of his face. I wonder if he was that clean.

 

[ezrah]

That would be almost impossible to enforce. At 2 years, they could release the girls' shoe size.

When you have a case to build, and you need all the proof you can get to secure a conviction, letting the wrong piece of information out may cost you that conviction.

How they were killed or where they found the phone could be critical information that sways the jury come trial. If the perp gets recorded talking about those details, it's evidence if the details were never published. If it's published, the the defence says it was just the perp repeating what he read in the paper.

No one can predict the future so accurately that they should take that chance. So they don't.

I agree with you about the case building. It's easy to become frustrated that no arrest has been made ( that we know of) and forget that the prosecutor will have to prove it. I sometimes wonder why the family is in blitz mode with the perp pictures but LE is not imo? Maybe it's wishful thinking but I do wonder if LE has him in sight. All MOO

 

[Ember123]

Interesting article today online ... "How Does DNA composite image used in Lisa Ziegert case compare to photo of ..... " go to Masslive.Com to see cool visual presentation. (Perp now Arrested) (Tried to link it for you but link wouldn't work) ... Tech-challenged : / If you allow time to let it load there is a tool where you can slide back and forth rolling the composite and the photo over each other. Try searching by name of article as written above. It is on masslive but takes a minute to download.

 

[scruffydog]

I think the "not blue eyes" detail is weird. Ok, if they weren't blue, and someone was close enough to know that, then what color were they? It seems to mean that it would be a great help in weeding out potential suspects...

 

[gregjrichards]

I agree with you about the case building. It's easy to become frustrated that no arrest has been made ( that we know of) and forget that the prosecutor will have to prove it. I sometimes wonder why the family is in blitz mode with the perp pictures but LE is not imo? Maybe it's wishful thinking but I do wonder if LE has him in sight. All MOO

I'm sorry to say this but I don't think they have an idea where this monster is. I think they have DNA, video, his voice and limited information about where he was seen but no name or location. I would be delighted if I'm wrong. The girls families clearly want to do anything they can to help but what they are doing is with the blessing of law enforcement. They aren't doing anything that could jeopardise the investigation.

I just wish someone wealthy or a network would donate an advert campaign during a top show on tv shown across America, I would do it in a heartbeat if I could. If you could put the sketch on tv with the voice it may provide the much needed break.The person who can identify him doesn't know about this case yet in my opinion.

 

[KayCherry]

I think the "not blue eyes" detail is weird. Ok, if they weren't blue, and someone was close enough to know that, then what color were they? It seems to mean that it would be a great help in weeding out potential suspects...

My own interpretation of this is like if someone asked that someone being LE - "do you know what color eyes the man had" and I might even respond, they weren't blue as you would have remembered blue eyes, and possibly love or admire blue eyes, so you knew they weren't that... if that makes any sense at all... I tried

 

[DarkSkink]

I agree with you about the case building. It's easy to become frustrated that no arrest has been made ( that we know of) and forget that the prosecutor will have to prove it. I sometimes wonder why the family is in blitz mode with the perp pictures but LE is not imo? Maybe it's wishful thinking but I do wonder if LE has him in sight. All MOO

I think the family is feeling that same frustration.

LE has limited time and resources. Unfortunately, life goes on and other crimes are committed. Resources naturally get diverted.

The family is probably doing the right thing by trying to get national exposure while the case is still fresh. However, it's a bit of a sign LE isn't making progress on identifying BG. If anyone could get a sense of that, it would be the family.