IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #72

[deugirtni]

They are very different in reality.

Baseball hat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_cap

Flat Cap (newsboy, golf, etc.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_cap

Note the blue eyes - so not BG, IMO

Oh, was it confirmed that the BG still pulled out of Libby's video is not a baseball cap?

 

[drjmcope06]

So far he is looking like a real contender. He does, IMO, have some emotional issues, anger control issues, lack of behavioral control issues that didn't start in February. He has an adult history of crimes, yet I wonder about his childhood, and if that may be a factor in competency. He may have had established issues a long time ago.

I have seen criminal records 20 years in length and there was no question of competency. Then all of a sudden after committing one more crime, some dork decides let’s make him incompetent. When there is nothing incompetent about them or vice versa of course.

Interesting case regarding competency between the ACLU and the state of PA. The system is messed up! [emoji364]

Pardon me, but either way, institutionalized or put in prison, he will get his day of reckoning. I can say that with 99.99% of accuracy. 🤞


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[drjmcope06]

This is a good video although it made me feel very sad at the same time. Seeing the perspective from underneath the NW end of the bridge is rather chilling. BG could've easily been under there and noticed the girls while they took pictures up above. And it looks like he then could've easily walked up the path to get on the bridge and follow them. He could probably tell they were younger girls because of their behavior, likely jabbering and giggling, maybe some nervous laughs and shrieks because of the height they were at.

I'm also a little confused about the location of the car path. It seems like he's showing it's near the gravel drive on the SE side of the bridge that leads to the houses?

Watching that makes me want to puke 🤢


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[drjmcope06]

Either I’m blind or blind, but I don’t see a hat. I see hair.


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[Hatfield]

Excellent video showing the underside of the bridge and other things.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Ms4Mrt1ixY
Crossing the creek
Cemetery

It is a good video to get a better understanding of the layout of the whole area from crime scene back to the bridge.

I think the person who made the video nailed the "down the hill" spot. He mentions it and I do think that was the trail they must have taken when BG said to go "down the hill".

Its not too steep and leads directly from end of the bridge down to the water and he proved how easy it could be to go down the creek to where they were found.

This confirms for me that the BG was a transient type person staying in the area where the girls were killed because he found a nice quiet little place that was down near the water level and nobody could see him or disturb him at that level because the landowner was much higher up. He felt he was pretty safe to stay there undisturbed. And when he got his sick motivation to abduct the girls he took them to his place where he knew nobody would see whatever he was fixing to do to them.

And the sad realization is even if the girls finally started to run away from him he could easily catch up with them since he was more experienced with the land there than they would have been.

 

[Steleheart]

Put some sunglasses on the bill of the baseball hat and pull a hoodie over.
I think both might look the same.

And a puppy in the pocket, LOL.

Seriously you are exactly correct as far as the stills of BG on the bridge.
And being that high up I originally thought he did have the hood up and in a split second the wind blew it down. It has happened to me.
The 3 frames we have only show one single step between gaps on the bridge in reality. So hood up, hood down foot up, foot down... all true.

But the hat could be anything. It's all covered in the image thread which is here;
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gail-Williams-13-amp-Liberty-German-14-Delphi

But the picture of DN in the car is clearly a Ball Cap.


The composite sketch is not a ball cap-



https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/abigail-williams/sketch-delphi.jpg

 

[Steleheart]

Oh, was it confirmed that the BG still pulled out of Libby's video is not a baseball cap?

To my knowledge nothing in the bridge stills of BG have been confirmed as far as details. Hood, cap, hair, puppy, rope, gun, hatchet etc.don't know.
I think the jeans are pretty clear though.


I was referring to DN in the car vs the composite sketch.
JMO

 

[ImnoSherlock]

To my knowledge nothing in the bridge stills of BG have been confirmed as far as details. Hood, cap, hair, puppy, rope, gun, hatchet etc.don't know.
I think the jeans are pretty clear though.


I was referring to DN in the car vs the composite sketch.
JMO

LE confirmed a hat,but NOT drawn to witness description.

 

[Steleheart]

Yes, LE said to disregard the hat in the sketch... however we do have the still photo pulled from Libby's video, of the actual suspect, and also the real life photo of DN as pictured inside a vehicle.. and the hats in those 2 photos look like they could easily be the same to me.

+
BBM
In fact LE never said that. What they did say is;+

"The person depicted in the composite sketch is described as a White male between 5'6" and 5'10", weighing 180 to 220 pounds, with reddish-brown hair. His eye color is unknown. "The sketch includes a hat that the suspect may or may not wear"
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/abigail-williams/@@download.pdf

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[cluciano63]

If LE has a pic of BG carrying around a hatchet that shows his face more clearly they could have shown his face, without the hatchet. The only value of a video image is to be recognizable, which the one shown to public is not in the least. Jmo

 

[Steleheart]

The bridge, and the whole area are a lot bigger and a lot grander in scale then I had imagined.. the bridge is a lot higher..

terrifying.

heres what has me, what sticks with me, what nags

he told the SRO officer he was living under a bridge.

I think thats it. thats it.

I can't walk it back.

moo

I understand. I had that image too.

Would it help to walk it back to what exactly was said about the bridges and where that came from?

"The last address that he reported with us was that he was staying homeless in the area of State Road 67 under the bridges," said Captain Brent Worth."
http://fox59.com/2017/09/29/man-cal...same-week-girls-bodies-were-found-police-say/

It's out of Indianapolis as far as I can tell, toward Martinsville. Opposite direction from Delphi.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/D...7e204b5559ad82!8m2!3d40.5875371!4d-86.6750059

After that story it just became some generic non-specific "living under bridges" from news station to news station.
Which then by itself elicits all kinds of imaginings.

JMO except for links.

 

[margarita25]

I totally agree with this. What kind of silly non existent checks and balances this has when there is no other person signing along with him to confirm he was there.

From just looking at it it looks like whenever he happened to show up he would just sign all the weeks he missed along with it to make it look like he came each week.

I would hope there is some other audit trail we are not aware of but this sign in paper is not worth the paper it is written on. good grief

Could it be one of those pens like the bank has, on the chain? (Seems doubtful it would retain the exact ink for a while though)...the pen thing is very interesting, imo, good sleuthingl

 

[margarita25]

Voice Analysis Should Be Used with Caution in Court
Although voice recognition is often presented as evidence in legal cases, its scientific basis can be shaky

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/voice-analysis-should-be-used-with-caution-in-court/

 

[margarita25]

Easy Voice Biometrics' Voice Identification Software
http://www.securityinfowatch.com/pr...oice-biometrics-voice-identification-software

(Example)

 

[Boxer]

People talking about him living under bridges know good liars mix truth and lie to creat a plausable statement.
When people hear that he said he was "living under bridges on route 67" they think, maybe he is living under bridges, but not where he says.
Or maybe he is living with KN but saying he is homeless to 'game' some kind of welfare benefit.
In any case nothing he says is to be believed and 100% of his statements need independent corrobation.

I understand. I had that image too.

Would it help to walk it back to what exactly was said about the bridges and where that came from?

"The last address that he reported with us was that he was staying homeless in the area of State Road 67 under the bridges," said Captain Brent Worth."
http://fox59.com/2017/09/29/man-cal...same-week-girls-bodies-were-found-police-say/

It's out of Indianapolis as far as I can tell, toward Martinsville. Opposite direction from Delphi.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/D...7e204b5559ad82!8m2!3d40.5875371!4d-86.6750059

After that story it just became some generic non-specific "living under bridges" from news station to news station.
Which then by itself elicits all kinds of imaginings.

JMO except for links.

 

[deugirtni]

To my knowledge nothing in the bridge stills of BG have been confirmed as far as details. Hood, cap, hair, puppy, rope, gun, hatchet etc.don't know.
I think the jeans are pretty clear though.


I was referring to DN in the car vs the composite sketch.
JMO

The only point I was making did not whatsoever include the composite sketch. Only the two actual photos. Everyone sees things their own way in the photograph, but I was simply saying that *to me*, the hat being worn in each of the 2 photographs could easily be the same.

ETA to add that the sketch is just that, a sketch, while I am only considering the 2 actual photos. I believe LE has said to disregard the hat in the sketch.

 

[deugirtni]

+
BBM
In fact LE never said that. What they did say is;+

"The person depicted in the composite sketch is described as a White male between 5'6" and 5'10", weighing 180 to 220 pounds, with reddish-brown hair. His eye color is unknown. "The sketch includes a hat that the suspect may or may not wear"
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/abigail-williams/@@download.pdf

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"Police say the sketch also depicts a hat that may not be accurate."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/delphi...on-suspect-sketch-released-in-girls-slayings/

"Police say it's very important for the public to focus on the facial features. "Police say the person depicted in the composite sketch is described as a white male between 5’6” to 5’10”, weighing 180 to 220 pounds, with reddish brown hair. The eye color is unknown, but according to one witness, his eyes are not blue. Additionally, this sketch depicts a hat that may not be accurate."
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/07/17/isp-...hi-teens-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/

"While the hat in the sketch may not be accurate, investigators are asking the public to help identify the person by focusing on his facial features, Sgt. Kim Riley said during a news conference."
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...lphi-double-homicide-investigation/483717001/

In the photographs, we have what we actually have caught on camera - one of the actual suspect police are searching for, which Libby recorded just before she was killed, and one which is known to be DN. To me, the hats in each photo look like they could easily be the same hat. In the sketch, we are being informed that the sketch depicts a hat that may not be accurate. To me, they are saying to disregard the hat, but to concentrate on the facial features. My initial post to which people are responding to, was clearly my own opinion, and had nothing to do with the composite drawing, so not sure why the hat in the drawing is involved at all in the conversation in response to my post.

 

[deugirtni]

If LE has a pic of BG carrying around a hatchet that shows his face more clearly they could have shown his face, without the hatchet. The only value of a video image is to be recognizable, which the one shown to public is not in the least. Jmo

Imo, if you actually knew the suspect, and then saw that photo, you would likely have enough of an idea to have the seed planted in your head which would make you start questioning other clues as to whether it was possible the person you knew could be that person in the photo. (such as the possible locale of the person you knew, whether it was feasible they would not be elsewhere at that time on that weekday, whether that person ever spends time on the trails, whether there may be anything potentially 'off' about that person you know, etc. etc. etc. And hopefully, whoever might have had that little seed planted about a person they know, they would call the tip line, etc.moo

 

[margarita25]

( O/T, for those wondering if DN was involved in the body found off the freeway last month, an arrest has been made in that case, not DN: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...littleton-woman-whose-body-was-dumped-on-i-25 )

 

[Shiressleuth]

Jmo I don't think the video image we have seen is useful for court purposes...it could be anyone. Especially if no one has seen him dressed in that way, etc...and if LE had more identifiable images, they would have used them to seek help from the public. Jmo

We haven't seen it all, probably for a reason.