IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #75

[cluciano63]

The murder solve rate in the US is only something like 60%. So it is quite possible this case won't be solved.

 

[Shiressleuth]

An absence of direct evidence is reason to drop him lower on the list of POIs, but not a rule out.
A rule out would be an airtight alibi.

I agree. No alibi, no rule out. Too many things still fit, the limp, the witness sketch, the height and southern accent, RSO, homeless at the time, propensity for trails, parks, rail roads and bridges, travels to commit offences, avoiding arrest numerous times, anger issues, DV, hatchet menacing, access to a gun, drug user, ex military.

 

[kkdj]

I agree. No alibi, no rule out. Too many things still fit, the limp, the witness sketch, the height and southern accent, RSO, homeless at the time, propensity for trails, parks, rail roads and bridges, travels to commit offences, avoiding arrest numerous times, anger issues, DV, hatchet menacing, access to a gun, drug user, ex military.

Yup. Reddish brown hair, not blue eyes, far apart eye, large nose, short chin. Too much fits.

But can they prove DN had the means, motive and opportunity?

In U.S. criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a common summation of the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can possibly be determined in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant committed the crime (motive), and whether the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity). Opportunity is most often disproved by use of an alibi, which can prove the accused was not able to commit the crime as he or she did not have the correct set of circumstances to commit the crime as it occurred. Some crimes are motiveless, however proving motive can often make it easier to convince a jury of the elements that must be proven for a conviction.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Yup. Reddish brown hair, not blue eyes, far apart eye, large nose, short chin. Too much fits.

But can they prove DN had the means, motive and opportunity?

In U.S. criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a common summation of the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can possibly be determined in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant committed the crime (motive), and whether the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity). Opportunity is most often disproved by use of an alibi, which can prove the accused was not able to commit the crime as he or she did not have the correct set of circumstances to commit the crime as it occurred. Some crimes are motiveless, however proving motive can often make it easier to convince a jury of the elements that must be proven for a conviction.

Means- travelling to trails to commit SO's, access to weapons, ex military.
Motive - sexual gratification and anger, possibly panhandling/robbery too.
Opportunity - homeless, drifter, no alibi, access to a vehicle.
AJMO.

 

[InMyOpinion999]

I remember in a Holeman interview he said (and I'm paraphrasing) that the audio included the girls saying a strange guy was around/following? them, right by the statement that the girls were talking about what teenage girls talk about. So, it seems they didn't know him. If anyone wants to look it up, I think it was his second interview.

 

[Arubagirl7]

I’m perplexed by the mention of DN’s limp, yet he was a Marine. I always assumed that to be in the military one had to be in perfect shape.

 

[mtnlites]

I’m perplexed by the mention of DN’s limp, yet he was a Marine. I always assumed that to be in the military one had to be in perfect shape.

The limp could be due to an injury gained after he left the Marines (or during his time).

 

[minazoe]

even his own wife cannot rule him out.

I say see what happens.. if he is not bridge guy then he is one doppleganger looking cuss, I don't believe anything that is said, being that KN can be angry about DN one day and say one thing, and then the next day say something entirely different.

something sticks with me on that gun story.

she said he didn't have access to it and she kept it with her at the campsite when BG wasn't there.

well,

where was he? was he driving ? when was this time she was alone at the campsite?

then she changes her tune and says they both had access to the gun, he as much as her.

so...now I sense shes not so *advertiser censored* sure on the gun, it could have DNA, it could have blow back...she could get caught in her lies, so she walks it back.

the proximity to all this violence is stunning, and I would really like to know who this other stealth killer could be.

wonder if any cars were reported stolen on the 12th or 13th of March, and if any stolen cars were later found torched in the vicinity.

and aside from KN's ultrasound, which we have had no public confirmation of her even being there...what her other activities were that day.

so still.

MOO

 

[Shiressleuth]

The limp could be due to an injury gained after he left the Marines (or during his time).

According to KN it is due to one leg being shorter than the other, whether from birth or an injury we don't know. He could have been injured in Kuwait. (His lawyer said in court he served in Kuwait. )

 

[Nocgirl]

I have not been active on this board in a few months. I find it incredibly hard to find stuff and there are so many threads and posts on a topic it drives me crazy.

What Is the latest here can someone fill me in? They arrested a guy in CO who was in IN the time the girls were killed. Has he been charged with this case?

I'm baffled at the incredibly slow pace this investigation is going.

 

[Jerrod]

I agree. No alibi, no rule out. Too many things still fit, the limp, the witness sketch, the height and southern accent, RSO, homeless at the time, propensity for trails, parks, rail roads and bridges, travels to commit offences, avoiding arrest numerous times, anger issues, DV, hatchet menacing, access to a gun, drug user, ex military.

Where is the credible evidence that BG is a homeless ex-military sex offender drug addict with a southern accent who killed two girls with a gun and/or hatchet?

 

[Krwiley60]

the world is full of cold cases, sadly,

I don't believe he's dead, maybe if we were waiting years and not a clue, not another killing, poi's have passed on and there isn't a whisper or a clue from any person who might know any thing.

but it's been less than a year. I would be less inclined maybe by an inch or so to appoint DN as BG if KN had not delivered so many flat out whoppers concerning the ..

day the girls went missing
his hatchets
his gun
his driving
her ultra sound

etc.

so Im going to stay on him. MOO

I’m with you. There is absolutely no reason to believe BG is dead. What reason would there be for LE to keep that private from the family and the public? It is absurd.


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[Northway]

Does anyone think the families of the girls have been extra quiet since DN was arrested? Maybe they have been told that LE is close to making an arrest.jmo

Exactly what I was just thinking. There was the big push by the family to mail out fliers all around the country that seemed to go quiet as soon as DN was arrested.

 

[kstephens98]

1. DN signed in as homeless
2. DN is ex-military with a dishonorable dishcharge
3. DN is a RSO and was required to report weekly due to his being homeless
4. DN has a drawl per KN
5. DN has been cited and arrested on more than one occasion with drugs and drug parephanelia
6. DN is known to have had access to a gun (at least in CO)
7. DN is known to have owned and used and threatened people with hatchets.

The question was about BG, not DN...???

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[kkdj]

The question was about BG, not DN...???

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My bad! You are so right! I deleted my post.

 

[sumzero]

Exactly what I was just thinking. There was the big push by the family to mail out fliers all around the country that seemed to go quiet as soon as DN was arrested.

Do we know the family is no longer printing and sending fliers?

 

[Northway]

Do we know the family is no longer printing and sending fliers?

I don't know. How can we find out? Does anyone remember how they where getting the word out across the country for people to request fliers to be mailed to them?

 

[Daey34]

Yes, they for sure are. You can check social media, and there was some posts today from a family member even commenting that they need help even though the media has gone quiet.

I don't know. How can we find out? Does anyone remember how they where getting the word out across the country for people to request fliers to be mailed to them?

 

[Shiressleuth]

I have not been active on this board in a few months. I find it incredibly hard to find stuff and there are so many threads and posts on a topic it drives me crazy.

What Is the latest here can someone fill me in? They arrested a guy in CO who was in IN the time the girls were killed. Has he been charged with this case?

I'm baffled at the incredibly slow pace this investigation is going.

No he hasn't been charged with anything to do with either the Delphi murders or the Colorado cyclist's murder. Just charges concerning weapons possession, menacing, trespassing and failing to register in Co ATM.

 

[minazoe]

well ..the media has gone quiet... they have calmed down for some reason..and not one agency has come out and put out a segment on the girls families and the renewed search for a killer.

I say always watch the media..they have contacts, they get told things, some of them actually have integrity and won't leak
secrets that are shared.

they know there is hype and public interest..they could keep the ball rolling by keeping the case alive and showing concern, they can literally help, instead of walking away.

I seriously doubt they are dissuaded by an editor.

I think there is more that will unfold..and the GAG is for a reason. MOO