Jax49
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Whose shoes are you talking about other than Libby's?
Timothy Watkins, the bicyclist DN is suspected of shooting in Colorado. moo
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Whose shoes are you talking about other than Libby's?
I think one at the trailhead near where the body was found and one on the side of the road. Last I heard they were working on a plea bargain. Unless there's some blockbuster dropped in court tomorrow I'd say it's 50/50 he's out on bail by the end of the day.
Was it stated a loose shoe was found first? I certainly don't recall that. My recollect was one of the searchers asked the sister what colour of shoes Libby wore to assist in identifying the bodies that were found were indeed that of the two girls. Did I miss something?
ETA: Further, it was my impression the question was asked by the searcher to prevent the sister from involvement in the utterly traumatic act of personally viewing the dead bodies. There was absolutely no insinuation the shoe colour was evidence of sexual assault.
Once the pitchfork comes out, is hard to put it back. Sadly.
The big questions are why did they take the picture and why didn't they run away? The suspect had a history of living under bridges. It's entirely possible that he was living under/near the bridge and had met the girls before. They girls may have known him on some level because of previous encounters on the path. They may have taken the picture because they knew the guy and for whatever reason a picture was taken (maybe the girls where goofing around with him). Also if they had met him before they may have felt comfortable waiting for him to cross the bridge to chat rather than feeling threatened and not running away.
Kizzy-Your last paragraph here ... WOW! I think you're on to something!I'm going to respectfully disagree with that line of thought. The sketch wasn't released till 5 months later. This is the reason LE gave:
Dated July 17th:
"Riley said the witness who saw the suspect was close enough to him to say that he did not have blue eyes, but was uncertain of his eye color. Riley said fear may have played a role in the witness' decision not to come forward sooner with a description of the suspect. "People are scared. They're scared to be recognized by the subject. It just takes a while for these things to happen," he said."
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/17/indiana-police-to-release-new-evidence-in-killing-2-teens.html
Also, in a press conference when the sketch was released, ISP Riley slipped a couple times and said "she" before correcting himself when referring to the witness. Video below is not full press conference, but it includes these 'slips'. He does it 3 times between 1:07 and 1:15 mark.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/composite-sketch-released-killings-indiana-teens-48683961
In this clip from Dr. Phil, beginning 1:28 mark, MP refers to a single eyewitness, one person, who saw him "leaving that area around that time that day".
https://www.drphil.com/videos/murde...arch-efforts-the-day-their-teens-disappeared/
I always concluded the "she" witness was an adult female. I also was under the impression the trail was fairly quiet that day, making it feel more isolated. However, after watching Dr Phil and hearing Abby's mom say that there were a lot of kids on the trail that day (but Libby & Abby were there in a lull) and that they had spoken to many of them, I'm wondering if this female witness was another teen and because of what happened to the girls she was terrified to speak up. I can envision this much more readily now vs an adult female witness holding out so long. MOO
Were charges ever filed on the pig slaughtering? He is known as "hatchet man" because people have recently coined a term to encapsulate some of his recent alleged activity. He has not been charged with actually killing anyone with a hatchet.
Hi, Daey,
One more inconsistency: KN said DN watched the news with her and commented that the girls murder was disgusting. If what KN said is true, how can (1) DN not know where Delphi is and (2) he would have heard about the murders prior to his arrest in CO, not after like the letter claims.
I dont know if DN wrote the letter.
Im still on the fence as to whether or not DN = BG.
But based on the inconsistency I noted above, provided DN is the author of the letter, one of them is caught in a lie. Makes me question which one, and why?
I recall Sgt. Holeman stating in an interview that the audio recorded included things girls talk about and also the girls mentioning a guy following them. IMO they did not know this guy. At all.The big questions are why did they take the picture and why didn't they run away? The suspect had a history of living under bridges. It's entirely possible that he was living under/near the bridge and had met the girls before. They girls may have known him on some level because of previous encounters on the path. They may have taken the picture because they knew the guy and for whatever reason a picture was taken (maybe the girls where goofing around with him). Also if they had met him before they may have felt comfortable waiting for him to cross the bridge to chat rather than feeling threatened and not running away.
[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]I find it very odd I'm no longer allowed to post any detailed responses do to "Missing Security Token"? I have emailed the webmaster to no avail. How convenient.
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No one is allowed to edit posts after an hour. Don't get paranoid; you're not special!
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True fact: grieving parents learn to create their own little worlds. People were like, "How were you able to get up and talk at his funeral? Do those interviews? Be on that news show? etc. etc." You learn to do it because you learn how to fake being "normal." I could tell ANYONE about his death, describe all the events of that day-even what his body looked like as lividity started setting in-without blinking an eye. People around me were falling apart but I never cried as I spoke to them. It's because I honestly felt like I was living outside myself, just watching a movie. I could laugh, volunteer on my oldest son's field trips, sing Christmas carols, tell jokes, go listen to music with friends, etc. and put on a REAL good public image. I certainly played the public part well. At home, however, it was a different story. Sheer terror. My husband and I would stay up all night, unwilling to go to sleep because we were too depressed to wake up in the morning. We hated facing new days. We talked about different ways we could commit suicide-ways that would be quick and painless and not too messy to clean up. I honestly believe that the only reason we didn't is because we had a surviving son and, four months later, I got pregnant with our daughter. Her pregnancy pretty much saved our lives.
My point, and I do have one, is that the inner workings of a bereaved parent are strange. It's weird what we would react to and what we wouldn't. I could sit there and tell a total stranger about how it took the coroner 6 hours to get to the hospital, because I live in a small town and he was out hunting. And how, while I waited, I sat there and dabbled away at the tiny blood droplets. I could talk about that in a scientific way. But you look at me and tell me that it was "all part of God's plan" or that he was "in a better place" and I would absolutely go ballistic on you.
Sorry, I don't normally talk about these things but watching the families today just kind of brought some of that out. I wouldn't read too much into what they know or what their expressions were or how they said something or didn't say something (and I know you didn't, Rocket, so this wasn't aimed at you).
Respectively, the color of the shoes is the exact thing that was asked in the Dr. Phil interview. I did not make that up. It was stated by Kelsi. I posted as it was happening and have included the clips from the Dr Phil show. Whether a poster believes that or not is up to them, but the fact remains it was stated in the show.
Sorry for any confusion but want to clarify that my response was because people were speculating if the shoes were not with her body and how that could happen...someone suggested running, another suggested mud from crossing the creek and my suggestion was from actually taking them off. Yes, the inference would be sexual assault but I don't believe that there was a SA due to time constraints and the perp possibly hearing people calling for them, etc. and recognized he had to leave. IMO
Below is a direct quote regarding what was said about the shoes. Other than speculation on this thread, I'm not aware of any source that indicates the shoes were found close to the bodies. Anyone?
"......Kelsi recalled the searchers yelled up the hill to her from the murder scene, asking if she knew what the girls were wearing. Kelsi yelled back the color of Libby's shoes.
"We found them," Kelsi recalled them yelling to her.
But she wasn't allowed to go to the girls. Neither were Libby's grandparents, Mike and Becky Patty, with whom she lived, or Williams' mother....."
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...-tips-catch-libby-and-abbys-killer/949182001/
I posted this a bit later, correcting my recall. Kelsi wasn't asked the colour of the shoes, she offered the information. No apology necessary from you. My only intent was to prevent speculation from churning into fact.
No, not at all. I didn't see any tension between them. Yes, she said Abby was going to be grounded but why would that mean tension between the families to you? And I'm wondering what relevance that would have to the case. I can't imagine what these families are going through. It must be a roller coaster of emotions.
You wanna know the first thought that went through MY head when I found my son?
"Great. Now the whole day is ruined-and it was supposed to be a NICE day!"
Here's the thing...when something horrific happens, you go into "survival mode." It's like your brain literally can't process what you're seeing or feeling so it causes some dissonance. It's the only way to get you through the moment.
Seconds after having that thought, I totally freaked out and panicked. Screaming, running around, pulling my hair, etc. But for at least 2-3 seconds, it was like I wasn't even totally aware of what I was looking at. Later that night, when friends came to the house to clean and cook us dinner, I was embarassed by the fact that we didn't have a potato peeler. I'd spent the whole day planning my child's funeral yet, there I was, stressing about kitchen appliances.
You have very little control over your thoughts at a time like that. Your brain is trying to protect you by ignoring what's going on. I can TOTALLY understand the gut reaction of "she is so grounded" upon seeing that picture. Better to think about her being home and grounded, and SAFE, than to entertain the idea of her being dead.