IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #79

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I agree and I also think that LE had gotten the warrants way back then. It takes time for cell providers to respond to warrants for tower dumps and also for the software that matches cell numbers to specific times and locations. After they find matches to time, etc, they need a separate affidavit and then a warrant for each of the numbers and providers that they need personal information for. It's a slow process IMO.
I know that LE can request emergency pings for a known cell number regarding a person missing or in danger if the request is from family but I think it must be from the person who pays the account. My wife did it for me (I was fishing and changed locations, LOL She couldn't reach me. Oh well.)

This is old but it gives an idea what can be recovered frrom cell numbers and when.
https://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-loc...ponse-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

Thank you, very interesting. It sure must be a long and tedious process with no guarantee of success especially if the perp didn't carry a cellphone because he was aware it could be used to connect him to the crime.
 
LE have said they have taken DNA from everyone they have talked to. I know that is not correct because some refused to give it. MS refused to give it voluntarily for instance, and told LE to go to a judge if they wanted it. LE cannot just take DNA from anybody without justification.

All JMHO of course.

Do you have a link that LE said they've taken DNA from everyone they've talked to?

Or are you thinking of this?

....."Everyone that we've talked to has always been a person of interest until we either decide they need to be looked at even more or (they're) somebody that’s gong to be taken off the radar," Riley said. "Any tip we get on somebody, they're automatically a person of interest."..."
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...swers-soon-delphi-double-homicides/713451001/

Forget that, further down the article I notice it.
"We check DNA on everybody that has been investigated," Riley said. "Every person that we have talked to, we've gotten a DNA swab from."
 
Do you have a link that LE said they've taken DNA from everyone they've talked to?

Or are you thinking of this?

....."Everyone that we've talked to has always been a person of interest until we either decide they need to be looked at even more or (they're) somebody that’s gong to be taken off the radar," Riley said. "Any tip we get on somebody, they're automatically a person of interest."..."
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...swers-soon-delphi-double-homicides/713451001/

Forget that, further down the article I notice it.
"We check DNA on everybody that has been investigated," Riley said. "Every person that we have talked to, we've gotten a DNA swab from."

I don't think they asked for DNA from MS. From those quotes, it sounds like they've only taken DNA from those who are potential suspects, not just the random people that they've spoken to and interviewed, like MS would've been. I distrust regular folks like MS and AG who have injected themselves into the case. Sooo many people have created celebrities of themselves out of attention from this case, just by creating YT videos and social media posts that discuss the case. Unless LE comes right out and states that they asked MS for his DNA and he denied them issue, then I won't believe they asked.
 
Thank you, very interesting. It sure must be a long and tedious process with no guarantee of success especially if the perp didn't carry a cellphone because he was aware it could be used to connect him to the crime.

But it might show a total shutdown of cell phone use during the time of the murders with some interesting info before and after... that could be of value as well, if they are on to a particular someone.
 
I liked Greg's recent idea about wishing The Sketch or BG's pic would somehow go viral. With the anniversary approaching, what can be done not only to cherish the girls' memories but to also celebrate Libby's amazing forethought in getting a pic AND voice from this guy? How do things go viral, purely by happenstance? A superbowl ad would be fantastic but costs millions. Maybe if some famous person were to speak out on this case (Mike Pence, from Indiana?) it could help? Or an Indiana sports team televising the sketch/pic during a game? An ad on facebook? With so much CRAP out there on the internet and tv, it is frustrating that such vital info is so hard to get out there.
 
But it might show a total shutdown of cell phone use during the time of the murders with some interesting info before and after... that could be of value as well, if they are on to a particular someone.

It might also be about a device other than a cell phone that keeps location data or talks to a cellular data network--a Fitbit, a car GPS device, a bicycle route tracker, etc.
 
I liked Greg's recent idea about wishing The Sketch or BG's pic would somehow go viral. With the anniversary approaching, what can be done not only to cherish the girls' memories but to also celebrate Libby's amazing forethought in getting a pic AND voice from this guy? How do things go viral, purely by happenstance? A superbowl ad would be fantastic but costs millions. Maybe if some famous person were to speak out on this case (Mike Pence, from Indiana?) it could help? Or an Indiana sports team televising the sketch/pic during a game? An ad on facebook? With so much CRAP out there on the internet and tv, it is frustrating that such vital info is so hard to get out there.

Things go viral, as you said, purely by happenstance. If we knew how to MAKE them do it then a lot of us who rely on advertising our products and skills would be VERY happy people indeed! :-) We spend thousands of dollars a year on our posts and ads, just hoping that they'll go viral but even with a lot of money, it doesn't always happen. Unfortunately, there's no guarantee that it would go viral even if a celebrity shared it. What the public wants to see/share/read from one day to the next varies and there's no way to guess what that might be on any given day. And, also unfortunately, there are LOTS of unsolved cases and missing persons out there. I belong to a few FB groups and dozens of stories and links get shared every day. Very difficult to make one stand out from the other, especially since they're all important in their own way. With that being said, getting someone famous "on the case" couldn't hurt. When I saw Nancy Grace again last fall, I mentioned it because I thought that she'd pull through with it and hype the attention, but she's moved on to other things. Someone with a big social media following would be helpful.

In terms of actually "going viral", however, the story technically has. The sketch has been shared more than 20,000 times. That's a lot more than most and the term "viral" just means that it's been shared and passed around a lot. Now, a year later, unless there is some major news or case activity, we're not going to see much more activity than that.
 
GPS connects to GPS satellites, not cellular towers.

This is an interesting article talking about some of the challenges of cellphone evidence.

What Your Cell Phone Can’t Tell the Police
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-your-cell-phone-cant-tell-the-police

Some GPS systems contact cell phone towers to refine their locations. They don't connect, exactly, but they use the pings to triangulate more accurately.

I wonder if the satellite location is kept anywhere and whether it can be accessed?
 
Things go viral, as you said, purely by happenstance. If we knew how to MAKE them do it then a lot of us who rely on advertising our products and skills would be VERY happy people indeed! :-) We spend thousands of dollars a year on our posts and ads, just hoping that they'll go viral but even with a lot of money, it doesn't always happen. Unfortunately, there's no guarantee that it would go viral even if a celebrity shared it. What the public wants to see/share/read from one day to the next varies and there's no way to guess what that might be on any given day. And, also unfortunately, there are LOTS of unsolved cases and missing persons out there. I belong to a few FB groups and dozens of stories and links get shared every day. Very difficult to make one stand out from the other, especially since they're all important in their own way. With that being said, getting someone famous "on the case" couldn't hurt. When I saw Nancy Grace again last fall, I mentioned it because I thought that she'd pull through with it and hype the attention, but she's moved on to other things. Someone with a big social media following would be helpful.

In terms of actually "going viral", however, the story technically has. The sketch has been shared more than 20,000 times. That's a lot more than most and the term "viral" just means that it's been shared and passed around a lot. Now, a year later, unless there is some major news or case activity, we're not going to see much more activity than that.

I think the other problem of going viral is that it only reaches people connected to the internet. I'm only guessing but I bet a large portion of the 26000 tips already originated through online awareness, facebook and so forth, people with no direct connection either to Delphi or with the person whom they tipped. I get the impression LE prefers to avoid another such onslaught.

There's an entire segment of the population, mostly older, who are not active online users and who know nothing about what's viral or what's not.

Then there's the unknown - have LE been unsuccessful in closing the case because someone with information hasn't heard about it, or maybe they have but something is holding them back? Lots of talk about various reasons here. (ie fear, financial dependence, protection etc)

Who knows, maybe LE has an undercover operation happening and it's just to early to be fruitful.
 
Some GPS systems contact cell phone towers to refine their locations. They don't connect, exactly, but they use the pings to triangulate more accurately.

I wonder if the satellite location is kept anywhere and whether it can be accessed?

My understanding is GPS satellites transmit something similar to radio signals. Comparing that to someone listening to a radio station in their car, there's no ability to track users. JMO
 
Then there's the unknown - have LE been unsuccessful in closing the case because someone with information hasn't heard about it, or maybe they have but something is holding them back? Lots of talk about various reasons here. (ie fear, financial dependence, protection etc)

Who knows, maybe LE has an undercover operation happening and it's just to early to be fruitful.

I absolutely think that's what's going on. I don't think LE needs more tips from the public-I think they're trying to appeal to the one person who's already on their radar. Someone who knows what happened. I don't think the case necessarily needs more awareness; something just needs to happen to make the person with information step forward.
 
My understanding is GPS satellites transmit something similar to radio signals. Comparing that to someone listening to a radio station in their car, there's no ability to track users. JMO

Yes, that's the basics. I'm not explaining it very well. You know how a cell phone pings a tower to say "i'm here"? The tower knows about the phone, but the phone also knows where the tower is? Sometimes some GPS systems will ping a tower that way to get additional location information when the satellite connection is poor. Mine usually gives me a message when it's doing that, or tells me it can't give me a precise location because it can't find a cell tower.
 
I absolutely think that's what's going on. I don't think LE needs more tips from the public-I think they're trying to appeal to the one person who's already on their radar. Someone who knows what happened. I don't think the case necessarily needs more awareness; something just needs to happen to make the person with information step forward.

So maybe someone, who has already dropped an anonymous tip, might have made LE think, " this person knows something ". JMO
 
So maybe someone, who has already dropped an anonymous tip, might have made LE think, " this person knows something ". JMO

I haven't yet decided if they know who did it but just can't find enough evidence to arrest them on or if they're totally clueless and back to square one.
 
When I watched Dr Phil I got the impression by something BP said that Libby's actions weren't obvious when she was videoing BG. This is a quote but she added a little more iirc. It was if she only managed to capture a very brief glimpse of BG, using a quick hand motion. That would answer why LE have nothing more to release of him walking on the bridge and why BG didn't think to remove the cellphone. That Libby made such a wise and noble effort to reveal the identity of the person who represented danger, yet the killer hasn't been caught is absolutely heartbreaking.

BBM

"....“Libby did get a video of the guy, secretly,” says her grandmother, Becky Patty. “You could hear him telling the girls to go ‘Down the hill.’”.....
https://www.drphil.com/videos/my-fe...hat-happened-or-why-says-slain-teenagers-mom/
 
IMHO currently my thinking is:
Associate of an IP employee or ex employee, or 2nd or third shift at IP - on meth.
Being on meth would explain the fast speed of the crime.
It also would explain the bizarreness of it, which is so aggressively seizing a sudden opportunity to dominate and commit murder in the middle of the day, on a public trail.
 
IMHO currently my thinking is:
Associate of an IP employee or ex employee, or 2nd or third shift at IP - on meth.
Being on meth would explain the fast speed of the crime.
It also would explain the bizarreness of it, which is so aggressively seizing a sudden opportunity to dominate and commit murder in the middle of the day, on a public trail.

I believe you're right, at least in some sense. I think we'll eventually find that drugs were at play (I'd be shocked to find that BG wasn't on SOMETHING) and I think IP will play into the murders somehow. I believe, when we finally get answers, that we'll look back to the beginning of the case and realize that many of the things that happened then were very significant. Like the boots that LE removed from IP.
 
I believe you're right, at least in some sense. I think we'll eventually find that drugs were at play (I'd be shocked to find that BG wasn't on SOMETHING) and I think IP will play into the murders somehow. I believe, when we finally get answers, that we'll look back to the beginning of the case and realize that many of the things that happened then were very significant. Like the boots that LE removed from IP.

Wasn't that during the 'bomb threat"? I think Alexis McAdams posted the pic. It's in my photo file I think.
 
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