Number 5 put me in tears. Again.Hi all,
Assorted stuff:
1. One difference in the description gleaned from the press conference today (as well as the FBI description) is that the man was wearing a hoodie, not a cap, hat, bandanna, etc. There is no further mention of any head covering. I always saw that in one picture it was up, and in the second it was down - which is how we can see his hair.
From the FBI:
"The photo appears to depict a White male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie."
2. They have had ministers and counselors available in the middle school. Kids are still outright crying, and many are scared. Therapy dogs were brought in and were a huge hit. I was so happy to hear that; animals soothe, assuage grief, and help along the healing process, for sure.
3. In terms of protecting oneself, if someone is going to attack a woman in a parking lot, it's a good bet she will have her keys in her hand. Many attackers know this, and try to quickly wrench the keys out of your hand. They also know many hold their phone. I don't know the logistics of this, but since the jogger murder cases this last summer, many women have been keeping a safety pin/safety pins on different parts of their clothing, The goal is to use one to get the eye. I grew up in the 80s in New England and kilts were part of the "preppy movement". Kilt pins are a good size. I imagine thatyou can get them in many places, such as Ebay. No one expects a pin shoved into their eye. Anything helps.
4. I read somewhere how much support LE is getting from the community. These men and women are working around the clock. They have constant food donations from people and restaurants, so much so that I think it was a Lowe's that donated a/an new refrigs to the police station and FBI office.
5. It is indescribable to me that people are arguing (in various forums) about Libby being called a hero. Blows my mind that people are taking the time to state that she is not a hero. Not only is it petty and mean-spirited, IMO, it's also misguided.
The definition of hero is, in part, a "person noted for courageous acts or nobility of character." We don't know the facts, so we cannot say that Libby started filming as Abby was grabbed or kept filming during the attack. No matter what, the girls stayed together. In a moment that was probably swift, shocking and terrifying, and unlike anything she'd considered in her wildest dreams, a 13 year-old had the wherewithal to try and capture his image. She took the chance of infuriating him further, which increased the likelihood of her demise. She made a rational choice in the midst of madness. She neither had a template for her act, nor a trial run. This was the real deal. This was a silent act of courage. Clearly, there is a reason the cops are calling Liberty a hero; it's not a word that they take lightly.
6. For those who haven't yet seen the FBI Most Wanted poster, here is the link to Libby's. You can print out the FBI posters and post around your locale. This is a great idea because an FBI Most Wanted poster might draw more interest.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/liberty-german
And Abby's: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-i...igail-williams
The FBI pages also have the audio clip, as well as directions for tips.
Tip instructions - phone and email
Aside from the number, 844-459-5786, you can also email your tip to:
https://tips.fbi.gov/
or
abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com
I am sorry if anything has been repeated here, I took some time away to look at articles and write this post.
I brought this post over because it was at the very end of the last thread. I thought the safety pin was important for people to read. Mods if this isn't OK, I am sorry! I wouldn't ordinarily do this.
I did watch the presser.
I distinctly heard the police say that Libby captured the IMAGE of the suspect on her phone.
LATER in the presser the police said they had some audio to play. They never clarified where that audio came from.
“She had the presence of mind to have the phone on and to capture video as well as audio,” Bursten said.
I hear "Git down the hill." I hear an order. I hear authority. I hear cold-calulated evil. I hear studied intention. I hear control. I hear my Grandfather say "Git in the house. Now."
Done. See post #2
Here are some pics from Google Earth of the area girls were found. I find it very interesting none of the terrain looks like this. You have to go back in time to see this. From 1992-2005. Also, I found a structure due east south of next bend in Deer creek. Maybe just a kids fort, but also interesting. See pics if they'll upload. This site doesn't run very well. Look above G for Google for structure. I think someone knew this area was like this. My opinion.
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Interesting... I can tell you I have submerged mine at least twice with absolutely no ill effects. My guess is they can't call it waterproof without tests done at specific depths for specific periods of time, that being said it is not beyond the realm of possibility that her phone was able to work if pulled out of a shallow creek. Also there are certain cellphone cases that are waterproof in design... a long shot but still a possibility.
Forgive me if this has been mentioned already but, is it possible that the video was taken as if she were taking a selfie? What I mean is, could she be recording what is behind her so he can't see her pointing a camera at him? Depending on the phone, the position of the camera can be flipped from what is in front of you and what is behind. Just a thought. If so, it's brilliant.
I stupidly dumped my cellphone in with the rest of the wash, only to realize 10-15 minutes into the wash cycle, what I had done. It would not turn on. Watched a YouTube vid on how to dry your phone out. It worked. This was an older model phone when I had it, and this was a few years ago. I'm thinking if they found it in the water, it could be restored to working order.
From wthr.com
They released an audio recording of a man who can be heard saying three words: "down the hill". Investigators could not confirm if the suspect heard on that recording is the same person in the suspect photo they've been circulating.
State Police called Liberty "Libby" German "a hero" for thinking to record the suspect while the crime was happening.
[*=left]MORE: Click here to play the audio
"This lady is a hero. There is no doubt. To have the presence of mind to activate the video on her cell phone," ISP Sgt. Tony Slocum said.
Does anyone have the link to rewatch the press conference?
Hi all,
Assorted stuff:
1. One difference in the description gleaned from the press conference today (as well as the FBI description) is that the man was wearing a hoodie, not a cap, hat, bandanna, etc. There is no further mention of any head covering. I always saw that in one picture it was up, and in the second it was down - which is how we can see his hair.
From the FBI:
"The photo appears to depict a White male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie."
2. They have had ministers and counselors available in the middle school. Kids are still outright crying, and many are scared. Therapy dogs were brought in and were a huge hit. I was so happy to hear that; animals soothe, assuage grief, and help along the healing process, for sure.
3. In terms of protecting oneself, if someone is going to attack a woman in a parking lot, it's a good bet she will have her keys in her hand. Many attackers know this, and try to quickly wrench the keys out of your hand. They also know many hold their phone. I don't know the logistics of this, but since the jogger murder cases this last summer, many women have been keeping a safety pin/safety pins on different parts of their clothing, The goal is to use one to get the eye. I grew up in the 80s in New England and kilts were part of the "preppy movement". Kilt pins are a good size. I imagine thatyou can get them in many places, such as Ebay. No one expects a pin shoved into their eye. Anything helps.
4. I read somewhere how much support LE is getting from the community. These men and women are working around the clock. They have constant food donations from people and restaurants, so much so that I think it was a Lowe's that donated a/an new refrigs to the police station and FBI office.
5. It is indescribable to me that people are arguing (in various forums) about Libby being called a hero. Blows my mind that people are taking the time to state that she is not a hero. Not only is it petty and mean-spirited, IMO, it's also misguided.
The definition of hero is, in part, a "person noted for courageous acts or nobility of character." We don't know the facts, so we cannot say that Libby started filming as Abby was grabbed or kept filming during the attack. No matter what, the girls stayed together. In a moment that was probably swift, shocking and terrifying, and unlike anything she'd considered in her wildest dreams, a 13 year-old had the wherewithal to try and capture his image. She took the chance of infuriating him further, which increased the likelihood of her demise. She made a rational choice in the midst of madness. She neither had a template for her act, nor a trial run. This was the real deal. This was a silent act of courage. Clearly, there is a reason the cops are calling Liberty a hero; it's not a word that they take lightly.
6. For those who haven't yet seen the FBI Most Wanted poster, here is the link to Libby's. You can print out the FBI posters and post around your locale. This is a great idea because an FBI Most Wanted poster might draw more interest.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/liberty-german
And Abby's: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-i...igail-williams
The FBI pages also have the audio clip, as well as directions for tips.
Tip instructions - phone and email
Aside from the number, 844-459-5786, you can also email your tip to:
https://tips.fbi.gov/
or
abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com
I am sorry if anything has been repeated here, I took some time away to look at articles and write this post.
I brought this post over because it was at the very end of the last thread. I thought the safety pin was important for people to read.
Mods if this isn't OK, I am sorry! I wouldn't ordinarily do this.