IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #3

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For all we know the siblings may be so traumatized it is one step at a time. I'm sure they are being spoken to and i do believe there was a link provided? 24 hours in a day for how many days he was with the girls. They may know their sister is no longer with them? Lord knows the horror they went thru and are now going thru the process. The murder and dismemberment is enough to put him away or DP. Why traumatize these girls for the sake of quick forensics. All in due time. Or perhaps it has just not been released publicly?
 
But at that point, did she know MP was a child abuser? Another burning question.

If you call the home where three of your kids are, and speak to two of them, and they both say they are fine, and then you speak to the caretaker, and ask about the third child, and get told something like: "She had a few nightmares last night, didn't sleep real good. She's taking a nap, but I'll have her call you when she wakes up," and then you go back to sleep, or get lost in FB, or whatever the case may be....I mean, most parents of big families do have certain expectations that their kids will watch out for each other, and she may have never considered that her kids would tell her something that wasn't true, or that they wouldn't tell her that they haven't seen their sister all day.


BBM. That might be true if she had not already had an experience where one of her children was assaulted twice and gave indications she was afraid to tell because she didn't want the persons who abused her to get in trouble.

JMO
 
Longtime lurker, first time poster...this maybe a moot point, but it's bugging me...how were these people who seem to have multiple children with multiple partners able to move all over the country without violating custody agreements with their childrens' other parent? My ex-husband and I have a clause in our divorce agreement that neither of us can even take our daughter out of the state for a vacation without the other's consent.

Low income so cant afford to fight it, dads just dont care,or they do not have the knowledge of the laws to know they could fight it. Many things could be an issue here.
 
Since the official statements regarding time and manner of death, based on autopsy, have not been released, all we have is the word of a self professed child murderer as to when Aliahana was killed. I do not consider him to be a reliable source. Until information from an official autopsy has been released, I am not willing to take his word that Ali was killed on Thursday.

If she was, and then not reported until the following evening, then yes, someone was negligent in checking on the girls. However, if she was killed later than MP has told the police, then we don't know when her mother or anyone else might have talked to her on the phone.

I really would like to hear more from autopsy, but I know that will happen in due time.
 
I would love to know the reason why not. This makes me so mad!!! That should have been one of THE first things done, once these little girls were "safe"!!:furious:

Pretty sure these girls are traumatized. IMO IMO IMO. Not sure if rushing them in for an examination the best idea; they might be trying to explain what has happened to/with them. Gaining any adult trust at this point for them probably is going to be really, really hard here.

AGAIN, just speculating on my part based off of what information we have.
 
Mod note:

I've <snipped> and removed posts in reference to the FB photo that wasn't linked.

Photos have to be linked back to their original source.

Thanks.

beach 1,000 apologies. I initially posted that pic, thought it came from MSM did not see the FB copyright

sorry you had to snip it out! I should have noticed the FB copyright
 
Maybe they are not paying child support so it doesn't matter to them. I do believe Lyle does see his daughter he had with Tarah for he mentioned on FB to someone that they took turns on Holidays and he also lives in Fort Wayne.
Longtime lurker, first time poster...this maybe a moot point, but it's bugging me...how were these people who seem to have multiple children with multiple partners able to move all over the country without violating custody agreements with their childrens' other parent? My ex-husband and I have a clause in our divorce agreement that neither of us can even take our daughter out of the state for a vacation without the other's consent.
 
I'm having trouble tracking it back to the source...who said that the girls had not been examined by a doctor in any capacity?
 
Pretty sure these girls are traumatized. IMO IMO IMO. Not sure if rushing them in for an examination the best idea; they might be trying to explain what has happened to/with them. Gaining any adult trust at this point for them probably is going to be really, really hard here.

AGAIN, just speculating on my part based off of what information we have.

I completely agree. Perhaps there has been a cursory look at this point.
 
Since the official statements regarding time and manner of death, based on autopsy, have not been released, all we have is the word of a self professed child murderer as to when Aliahana was killed. I do not consider him to be a reliable source. Until information from an official autopsy has been released, I am not willing to take his word that Ali was killed on Thursday.

If she was, and then not reported until the following evening, then yes, someone was negligent in checking on the girls. However, if she was killed later than MP has told the police, then we don't know when her mother or anyone else might have talked to her on the phone.

I really would like to hear more from autopsy, but I know that will happen in due time.

I pretty much do consider him a reliable source. He seemed very specific, and what he said was true about where her remains would be found. I think he's telling the truth.

I can't imagine, with what he's confessed to, that he'd have any motivation to lie since he's fully confessed to a death penalty crime. I don't what details he'd lie about, since he's already confessed to the worst category crime.
 
I truely hope the girls are with counselors and not with any of the family.
Maybe they will open up to a counselor about everything that happened.
At such a tender age, I do hope that doctors gently put the girls to sleep during any rape examinations.
IMO, anyone helping them bathe or dress might observe somehing like bleeding etc.
How long would evidence stay with a 6 year old?
Even if he used an object and not himself, KWIM?
 
Pretty sure these girls are traumatized. IMO IMO IMO. Not sure if rushing them in for an examination the best idea; they might be trying to explain what has happened to/with them. Gaining any adult trust at this point for them probably is going to be really, really hard here.

AGAIN, just speculating on my part based off of what information we have.

I agree 100 percent. I pray that they are at least seeking counseling for them. My heart aches thinking about the things they may have witnessed, not even thinking bout what that monster might have done to them, or threatened them with :(
 
Can not understand while the other girls have not been examined by doctors! Regardless of the trauma, they need to be checked out and examined. This pervert could have been infected with all sorts of diseases and stuff! I'm sure they know that their sister has passed and now the family must set sights to get these children REAL help.
 
I'm having trouble tracking it back to the source...who said that the girls had not been examined by a doctor in any capacity?

Fries (with LE), last night on Nancy Grace. The show is posted near the end of thread #2. Maybe even in the media reference thread?
 
(responding to the bolded part)

Respectfully, some of us are wondering whether this assertion is actually true (unless by "safe" you mean alive). I myself have an almost automatic urge to say "well, of course they only wanted the best, of course they thought it was safe" but that's only because that's what I want for MY baby and I cannot imagine thinking any other way.

The problem comes in when we try to apply that sentiment, that "of course they thought it was safe" to what we know they actually did. That's where it just falls apart. No, that's where it freaking implodes.

Do any of these sound plausible?

"I thought it was safe for my three daughters to play with the power saw."

"I thought it was safe for my three daughters to hitchhike to Cleveland.."

"I thought it was safe for my three daughters to move in with the strange single man down the street."

Giving people the benefit of the doubt is a noble thing, but not when doing so demands the sacrifice of objective reason. In my opinion, that's where we are at when talking about the motivations of the parents in this case. :)

Fair enough. But the reverse is also true-that we are judging her based upon our own lens in terms of child care. "I would never leave my child alone with a man, I would never not speak to my child when they are away, I would never put my previously abused child in a neighborhood like this one even if my dad was dying..."

O/T but relevant. I have a friend who is divorced and whose children travel to another state for visitation. Her link to them is through their father-if he tells her they are eating/sleeping/swimming and cannot come to the phone, she does not automatically assume he has chopped them up or done something horrible. It may be twelve to 24 hours before she gets to speak to them.
 
Just so I am clear on this blurry timeline:
Sheriff Fries stated that Aliahna and the other two girls had been with MP for a week.
Some MSM reports have said TS last saw the girls/Aliahna on Tuesday.
Sometime after midnight on Wednesday, Aliahna is murderered and put in the freezer.
All day Thursday goes by.
Flash to 6:00am on Friday when the <modsnip? goes to by a cigar.
10:00am Friday, TS calls MP at his abode in Pedo Park. He gives her misinformation. Or something.
8:00pm Friday: MP and TS say there was some miscommunication between the two as to Aliahna's whereabouts. Police are called.

All of the above happens when TS is literally a "stone's throw" away from MP's trailer. I could probably throw farther than the distance between the two single-wide trailers.

It is pretty easy to see why people are infuriated with TS.
 
But all that is gonna come anyway. All it takes is folks like us to sleuth like crazy on the main players. The Sherrif and FBI can tell people not to talk, but it's not a legal order. They can do so if they choose.

And to be quite honest, if my child was injured or worse by a perp, you couldn't keep my mouth shut. But that's just me.

Just my opinion.

Mel

I have rarely ever been critical of LE. I was in this case when I thought they stopped the search too soon. I now have to eat my hat.

This LE did a fantastic job. They found Aliahna and solved the case in days. If they advise the family to not talk about certain aspects of the case, I trust them wholeheartedly.

If it were my baby, there would be no way that I would be feeding a hungry public about details of my child's death. To what end? That would be highly personal to me and no one's business but the LE, the DA, the judge, jury and God.

Yes, it would all come out but I wouldn't be helping. The only time I feel family should be out there talking incessantly with the media is when the baby is still missing. When family fails to do that, my hink meter goes haywire.

We care and want to know what happened to Aliahna. The criminal justice system will provide that info to us. But we do not require info until then, info that could harm an investigation and criminal case against a monster, and maybe others. If Alihana was my child or relative, I wouldn't give a you know what about the public's need to know. All I would care about would be making sure the monster received the ultimate justice, and trying not to jump off a bridge so I could be there for the rest of my family. :twocents:

Aliahna Lemmons' sisters, left alone with her murderer, not medically examined

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...lone-with-monster-were-not-medically-examined

It really upsets me that this article, which contains much inferred speculation about the possible sexual abuse of Aliahna's sisters, contains those girls' photos. Man! I think that is such irresponsible reporting. But thank you for posting. The article, aside from that, was informative.

(responding to the bolded part)

Respectfully, some of us are wondering whether this assertion is actually true (unless by "safe" you mean alive). I myself have an almost automatic urge to say "well, of course they only wanted the best, of course they thought it was safe" but that's only because that's what I want for MY baby and I cannot imagine thinking any other way.

The problem comes in when we try to apply that sentiment, that "of course they thought it was safe" to what we know they actually did. That's where it just falls apart. No, that's where it freaking implodes.

Do any of these sound plausible?

"I thought it was safe for my three daughters to play with the power saw."

"I thought it was safe for my three daughters to hitchhike to Cleveland.."

"I thought it was safe for my three daughters to move in with the strange single man down the street."

Giving people the benefit of the doubt is a noble thing, but not when doing so demands the sacrifice of objective reason. In my opinion, that's where we are at when talking about the motivations of the parents in this case. :)

Thank you for this. And I think this conversation needs to occur, everywhere, repeatedly, until parents around the country are fully educated about safety, danger and how to ensure the welfare of their children.

Of course here, at Websleuths, we all know how to parent and keep our kids safe. But this is an opportunity, as I see the subject being bantered about on FB and other sites, for people to learn a thing or two.

It doesn't mean Aliahna's family should be crucified at this time. They have made hideous choices and they and their children are paying the ultimate price for that. But, IMO, their negligence needs to be discussed in the very shocked, horrified and disgusted tones in which we have been discussing it. Often and everywhere.

Some parent, somewhere can learn from this. But only if society makes a big enough deal about how seriously Aliahna was failed by those who were supposed to protect her.
 
I hope her sisters have no inkling of what happened to Aliahna. Not even one.
 
Pretty sure these girls are traumatized. IMO IMO IMO. Not sure if rushing them in for an examination the best idea; they might be trying to explain what has happened to/with them. Gaining any adult trust at this point for them probably is going to be really, really hard here.

AGAIN, just speculating on my part based off of what information we have.

I respect that and my heart goes out to those two little girls. What a horrific thing to go through, but I also think that it is really important to do a medical examination especially to make sure they have not been abused sexually. If they have been, then they need to be checked for STD's that would need to be treated if present. IMO, it's an emergency to have these girls examined medically. For their own health, first and foremost.

It is going to take a long, long time for these girls to heal from this trauma... if they will ever be able to heal at all. In the best interest of the children medically, they should be examined.
 
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