IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 - #3

[MaxManning]

I also wonder if the solo perp went there for a gang initiation. And this is why he went by himself. To kill someone to get into the gang.

In both invasions; Multiple people were there since that is the best way to cover ground quicker. So the solo perp was definitely on his own mission.

Unless he wasn't the alpha and no one wanted to share so he decided to get his own while still in the neighborhood. He definitely seems like the youngest one out of the bunch who felt he needed to prove himself. Whoever he is. Idk.

God I hope that this isn't the case.

Not that it's any worse than any number of scenarios, since amanda being murdered regardless of the motives etc is just heart wrenching.

But the thought that some young kid would target her, just for the sake of getting into a gang. ugh.

 

[heidisams]

Yep, but there are plenty of career criminals with similar rap sheets in Indy. So why this guy? Was he really captured on video using the credit card? Was he captured on video inside the "two doors down" home? Were his fingerprints found in either home? Did an eyewitness pick him out of a photo line-up? What is his connection to the properties searched? And what was the probable cause to issue the search warrants? So many questions.

I hope LE is able to release more information soon. It's hard to remain patient when we're waiting for an arrest. But patient we must be. I know around this board, we're always grateful when an arrest is made right away. The truth is, however, that's the exception to the rule. Often, some think LE is failing. They're clueless. The case if going to go cold. Then one day, it happens. Arrest made! Personally, I'm confident that day is coming for Amanda.

BBM - Me too.:crossfingers:

Idk what's going to happen, but I've seen so many cases where LE questions a POI and end up holding them on "unrelated charges"... and then soon after an arrest comes down... They usually have something solid when they hold them, and/or a belief that evidence will come back linking them to the crime, and lead to more serious charges.... Time will tell, but I do wonder what it was that led LE to these guys, JW in particular...

All jmo.

 

[Hoosgirl]

While we're waiting (impatiently), I always like to bring it back to the reason we are here: Amanda, and her unborn baby.

Here is a glimpse into who Amanda was, through the beautiful nursery she created for her son. From her Weathered Willow business page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=856087704402073&id=405046566172858

(I'm on my phone, so apologies for mobile link)

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

God I hope that this isn't the case.

Not that it's any worse than any number of scenarios, since amanda being murdered regardless of the motives etc is just heart wrenching.

But the thought that some young kid would target her, just for the sake of getting into a gang. ugh.

JW wouldn't need to be initiated. He's already an active and well known gang member. His police record makes specific note of this fact.


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[MrsPC]

I'm still puzzled/confused on the timeline. If the other burglary 2 doors down occurred approx 5:30am, and the SUV was seen leaving the neighborhood approx 6:01 am then why would the killer still be hanging around by himself *prior* to Davey Blackburn leaving his residence at 6:11am ?? I mean, it's been reported that he possibly saw DB leaving & decided to also rob their home, but why would the SUV just leave him stranded *prior* to seeing DB leaving??? This makes no sense to me at all.

 

[bessie]

Serious question.....are criminals that stupid to sell their wares on Craigslist?

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Yep.

https://www.google.com/webhp?ssrp=1#q=stolen+items+on+craigslist

“There is sort of a 'get even' feeling that if somebody steals your items you want to get them caught as do we, but we don't recommend anybody putting their safety or their life on the line to recover property,” said Sgt. Greg Kelly, with the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office.

“You can do some of the investigating yourself. Try to get as much information as you can,” he said.

Authorities said confronting a thief through Craigslist can be dangerous, and that is exactly what it was like for an Omaha couple who tried to retrieve stolen work equipment from a Craigslist seller Monday afternoon. Police said the suspect pulled a gun and shot at the couple’s truck after they drove away with the recovered siding bake.
http://www.ketv.com/news/authorities-warn-about-recovering-stolen-property-online/22577574

 

[bessie]

I'm still puzzled/confused on the timeline. If the other burglary 2 doors down occurred approx 5:30am, and the SUV was seen leaving the neighborhood approx 6:01 am then why would the killer still be hanging around by himself *prior* to Davey Blackburn leaving his residence at 6:11am ?? I mean, it's been reported that he possibly saw DB leaving & decided to also rob their home, but why would the SUV just leave him stranded *prior* to seeing DB leaving??? This makes no sense to me at all.

The idea has been posed that "hoodie guy" was left behind to scout out another home to rob. Then he saw DB leave, and decided that house was a good prospect.

 

[MaxManning]

JW wouldn't need to be initiated. He's already an active and well known gang member. His police record makes specific note of this fact.


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Jalen Watson wasn't the guy on the porch or the perp they are looking for. imo

I personally don't think initiation was the case at all, was just commenting on the concept itself.

 

[DexterMorgan]

The idea has been posed that "hoodie guy" was left behind to scout out another home to rob. Then he saw DB leave, and decided that house was a good prospect.

Scouting and robbing solo is 2 different things though. You don't scout 2 doors down since you are only 2 doors down.

He would have noticed Davey while he was still with the others and said something like; He is leaving y'all. So let's hit that one. Or if he stayed behind in the burgled house; Then it was because he was on his own solo mission when he noticed Davey leaving. Jmo.

Also imo. Criminals don't trust each other. So the others wouldn't want him to stumble on and pocket major cash or jewelry without them knowing.

So I don't think they sent hoodie guy to scout. I think he knew that his friends wasn't going to cut him a fair share. So he stayed behind for a solo jewelry and cash mission.

And now his friends may be mad because the heat is on due to the murder. And they probably are saying that we told you not to go there because it was too risky since we just left there. Jmo

 

[MrsPC]

The idea has been posed that "hoodie guy" was left behind to scout out another home to rob. Then he saw DB leave, and decided that house was a good prospect.

it just doesn't seem plausible to me.

 

[MaxManning]

Scouting and robbing solo is 2 different things though. You don't scout 2 doors down since you are only 2 doors down.

He would have noticed Davey while he was still with the others and said something like; He is leaving y'all. So let's hit that one.

Also imo. Criminals don't trust each other. So the others wouldn't want him to stumble on and pocket major cash or jewelry without them knowing.

So I don't think they sent hoodie guy to scout. I think he knew that his friends wasn't going to cut him a fair share. So he stayed behind for a solo jewelry and cash mission.

And now his friends may be mad because the heat is on due to the murder. And they probably are saying that we told you not to go there because it was too risky since we just left there. Jmo

I think how they worked the 1st house is exactly the same way they intended to work the blackburn house.

I don't even know that I believe they just saw davey leave and then made a last minute decision as they suggest. It's possible, but I think it's equally plausible that they intended to hit both houses, knowing what time davey typically leaves.

Only 1 person was ever seen. That leads me to believe that the 1 guy goes in and pinpoints all the valuables, calls the suv and they show up and load all the contents quickly. based on the coming and going of the suv, that took just a few moments.

So after the suv left, he pinpointed another house. He might not have even had a specific house in mind when they left, but maybe several possible options to check out and see if anyone is home.

So, the plan would be the same. get inside a house, pinpoint valuables, and call for suv to load. When things go bad, he just leaves and likely calls suv as he's walking. eyewitness accounts said that they saw both the perp and the suv several streets away at some point.

I think it's a horrible plan to stay to do a solo. not implausible, but I do think them executing the same plan on the 2nd house is more plausible. Him calling the suv and meeting up a few streets away seems to indicate they were still working together imo

I do believe he walked from the residence and called to tell them where he was so they could pick him up, and that's how he left the neighborhood. jmo

 

[MaxManning]

it just doesn't seem plausible to me.

I am not a criminal, but I think the solo scout thing makes a whole lot of sense.

If 4-5 guys are walking around or a suv is parked in the driveway for 30 minutes while the robbery is going on, that would seem alot more likely to be noticed.

But if 1 guy walks up and gets inside to pinpoint valuables and then call for suv to come and load, the suv will only be there to be seen for a 1-2 minute window. That's exactly what the surveillance camera suggests. it saw the suv come and go all in moments.

so if they are thinking, lets get 2 houses, why doesn't that seem plausible that they'd do the exact same thing they did with the first house ?

Or are you saying that you don't think it's plausible that'd they'd rob two houses close together in the same hour ?

I am not saying you are wrong, we should look to see if that is a common thing with robberies. I often hear the phrase "robbery spree" - which indicates to me that multiple robberies occur in close time relation.

completely speculating here, but I do find the concept plausible. imo

 

[MaxManning]

I should take a step back. I believe I might possibly be incorrect in saying that the 1st house was done the same. Was this hooded perp ever seen BEFORE 6 am?

I have seen it reported that the robbery started at 5:30. So if the suv wasn't seen in neighborhood until 6 - doesn't that mean the perps got there on foot and not from the direction of the camera down the street? or maybe it was exactly as I speculated 1 perp showed up at 5:30 ?

If in fact that is correct that 1 perp showed up at 5:30 -- then yes, my last speculation is corrrect in terms of what I was thinking.

We'd need to know why the police believe the robbery of the first house started at 5:30.

 

[Cardinal47]

I think how they worked the 1st house is exactly the same way they intended to work the blackburn house.

I don't even know that I believe they just saw davey leave and then made a last minute decision as they suggest. It's possible, but I think it's equally plausible that they intended to hit both houses, knowing what time davey typically leaves.

Only 1 person was ever seen. That leads me to believe that the 1 guy goes in and pinpoints all the valuables, calls the suv and they show up and load all the contents quickly. based on the coming and going of the suv, that took just a few moments.

So after the suv left, he pinpointed another house. He might not have even had a specific house in mind when they left, but maybe several possible options to check out and see if anyone is home.

So, the plan would be the same. get inside a house, pinpoint valuables, and call for suv to load. When things go bad, he just leaves and likely calls suv as he's walking. eyewitness accounts said that they saw both the perp and the suv several streets away at some point.

I think it's a horrible plan to stay to do a solo. not implausible, but I do think them executing the same plan on the 2nd house is more plausible. Him calling the suv and meeting up a few streets away seems to indicate they were still working together imo

I do believe he walked from the residence and called to tell them where he was so they could pick him up, and that's how he left the neighborhood. jmo

But the crimes are sooooo different. Why kill her? Why shoot her three times? Why not tie her up and take what he wanted? Why once she was dead didn't he take anything? If he was a burglar why didn't he burglarize? So many questions. I don't believe a robber would be in a cul de sac at 6am without a way to get out. No car?

I still can't believe nobody saw him or sounded the alarm. A black guy in a hoodie walking down the street and walking up to Amanda's front door. Nobody??? How out of place did he look? Just looking at him in the pictures posted he looks out of place in that neighborhood. He just does.

 

[MaxManning]

http://fox59.com/2015/11/13/impd-ch...t-crime-in-city-and-amanda-blackburns-murder/

2nd video on this page doesn't have the audio noise that the more popular presser video has. (I remember someone asking about this) - captain converse starts at about 42 minutes in.

They do say the first burglary starts at 5:30. So how do the perp(s) start a robbery at 5:30 am and not get spotted by the surveillance cam that catches the suv at 6:00 ?

 

[Russian Blue]

Yes, I know personally someone who got her bike back that way with the help of the police. In Chicago I read where stolen phones were being sold on Craigs list and then robbers were stealing phones from people who wanted to sell theres when they met up. NPR had a story where someone was able to find their stuff stolen from their apartment on Craigslist.

Serious question.....are criminals that stupid to sell their wares on Craigslist?

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[DexterMorgan]

I am not a criminal, but I think the solo scout thing makes a whole lot of sense.

If 4-5 guys are walking around or a suv is parked in the driveway for 30 minutes while the robbery is going on, that would seem alot more likely to be noticed.

But if 1 guy walks up and gets inside to pinpoint valuables and then call for suv to come and load, the suv will only be there to be seen for a 1-2 minute window. That's exactly what the surveillance camera suggests. it saw the suv come and go all in moments.

so if they are thinking, lets get 2 houses, why doesn't that seem plausible that they'd do the exact same thing they did with the first house ?

Or are you saying that you don't think it's plausible that'd they'd rob two houses close together in the same hour ?

I am not saying you are wrong, we should look to see if that is a common thing with robberies. I often hear the phrase "robbery spree" - which indicates to me that multiple robberies occur in close time relation.

completely speculating here, but I do find the concept plausible. imo

Idk. The trust level between thieves are minimum. And the valuables are usually in safes in closets or in dresser draws or underneath the beds or whatever.

This is why theives rummage through all of that stuff. So there was no need to scout since every home in that neighborhood would have a flat screen or laptop or whatever. But the real stuff takes time to find and you need to cover as much ground as quick as possible.

So I don't think he wanted the gangs help on this one. I think he stayed in the burgled house and then simply spotted Dave later. But I don't think they told him to stay behind. Jmo

 

[MrsPC]

I am not a criminal, but I think the solo scout thing makes a whole lot of sense.

If 4-5 guys are walking around or a suv is parked in the driveway for 30 minutes while the robbery is going on, that would seem alot more likely to be noticed.

But if 1 guy walks up and gets inside to pinpoint valuables and then call for suv to come and load, the suv will only be there to be seen for a 1-2 minute window. That's exactly what the surveillance camera suggests. it saw the suv come and go all in moments.

so if they are thinking, lets get 2 houses, why doesn't that seem plausible that they'd do the exact same thing they did with the first house ?

Or are you saying that you don't think it's plausible that'd they'd rob two houses close together in the same hour ?

I am not saying you are wrong, we should look to see if that is a common thing with robberies. I often hear the phrase "robbery spree" - which indicates to me that multiple robberies occur in close time relation.

completely speculating here, but I do find the concept plausible. imo

What gives me pause the most is the fact that the first house they hit at 5:30am - the owners were away. This to me suggests some sort of inside knowledge - knowing that owners are not there - an easy target. And this would also then suggest some sort of advance planning IMO. So, if the first one is planned - it doesn't seem plausible that they would then randomly decide to also hit 2 doors down - not knowing if anyone was home there or not.

 

[MaxManning]

But the crimes are sooooo different. Why kill her? Why shoot her three times? Why not tie her up and take what he wanted? Why once she was dead didn't he take anything? If he was a burglar why didn't he burglarize? So many questions. I don't believe a robber would be in a cul de sac at 6am without a way to get out. No car?

I still can't believe nobody saw him or sounded the alarm. A black guy in a hoodie walking down the street and walking up to Amanda's front door. Nobody??? How out of place did he look? Just looking at him in the pictures posted he looks out of place in that neighborhood. He just does.

the crime is different because the first house was empty. -- different situation, can lead to different results. right ?

If a struggle ensued when he discovered the house wasn't empty, and he ended up killing her, that doesn't change the motive of what he came there to do. You say you don't belive they'd rob in a cul de sac, yet that's exactly what they did with the 1st house, 2 doors down.

According to LE he took bank cards at minimum. According to LE he they robbed in the cul de sac from 5:30 to 6am at 1st house. -- suv came in and left at 6am - they believe that the stolen goods from the 1st house left in that suv. Coming in at 6am, leaving moments later.

So not sure what you find implausible about what happened in repsect to them being burglars and approaching the 2nd house presumably the same as the 1st house. I believe they said the perp opened the back door of 1st house and let the others in the front door for the loading.

So why is it unreasonable for him to be on the front porch of the 2nd house ?

All seems very plausible to me in regards to it being a burglary.

 

[MaxManning]

What gives me pause the most is the fact that the first house they hit at 5:30am - the owners were away. This to me suggests some sort of inside knowledge - knowing that owners are not there - an easy target. And this would also then suggest some sort of advance planning IMO. So, if the first one is planned - it doesn't seem plausible that they would then randomly decide to also hit 2 doors down - not knowing if anyone was home there or not.

If a house has no car in the driveway, and all the lights are off. What does that suggest ?

If they see a house with one car and a guy leaving with that car at 6:11 and all lights off, what does that suggest ?

I think in both cases it's plausible to believe that someone could believe - no one was home , house was empty.

Seems plausible. imo