IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 - #3

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I don't understand why they didn't report this! The one couple, husband & wife saw a person in all black with a hoodie over his head in front of their trash can at Sunnyfield Court. The subject walked toward 2812 Sunnyfield Court.

Another witness said she was leaving Sunnyfield Court and noticed a male walking on Sunmeadow Way talking loudly on his cell phone with his tee-shirt pulled up over his face.

Another witness was so suspicious he said he was leaving in his car but turned around instead of leaving after seeing a black male wearing a hoody that was pulled tight and his hand to his ear. he watched the male get in the front seat of a white late model Chrysler Sebring.
Then there is the lady who heard two shots and what sounded like a woman scream at 6:40- 6:45

Pgs. 16 - 17 http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/wthr...lackburnpc.pdf

I feel that if LE was called, Amanda might still be alive. I know it is God's will, but why not report suspicious people & cars when 1 neighbor's home is vacant. Various thefts around the neighborhood. Especially at that hour of the morning. Did they honestly think these creeps belonged there??? I only have 10 neighbors and you better believe we look out for each other.
 
Bessie, that was a masterpiece! The thanks button just wasn't enough. I kept thinking to myself I'd like to make a timeline, and the thought was just too daunting. Thank you, thank you!
 
It looks like DB was lucky not to run into these guys either coming or going............
 
56th and 465 (far ne side) to 38th and Michigan Rd area (nw side) seems random and weird to me. i wonder what brought them to the murder neighborhood?
 
It looks like DB was lucky not to run into these guys either coming or going............

I was thinking that too. If he would have been a couple minutes earlier, most likely he would have been killed too and poor Weston would be without either parent.
 
Here's a timeline from the charging docs with some media reports included. Please let me know if anyone spots errors. Also posted in the media thread, Post #37.

black text = probable cause affidavit
blue text = media reports

November 10, 2015 (all times A.M. ET)


3:30 - Gordon, Watson and Taylor leave the apartment of ABu and his girlfriend, according to gf's statement to Det. Lehn.

A cooperating individual (CI) stated to Det. Lehn on Nov. 21, that Taylor was carrying a snub nose revolver and might have been wearing a Pelle Pelle jacket when they left ABu’s apartment.

4:30 - resident on San Clemente awakens to find cell phone missing from her bedroom, sliding glass door open, plants knocked over, and MacBook laptop missing. Purse and keys also are missing. Her 2007 Chrysler Sebring 4D is gone, as well. (Time doesn’t jive with time of burglary from security system.)

4:36 - Burglary No. 1 at San Clemente Dr. apartment. Surveillance camera captures three perpetrators inside the residence.

CI said the three wanted money, so Taylor crawled up a back railing of an apartment in the Cottages (on San Clemente), and opened the front door for Gordon and Taylor.

CI said Taylor had keys in his hand, and used the fob to open a Chrysler Sebring. Taylor took an iPhone from an upstairs bedroom where the occupant was asleep. When the three realized they were on video, they disabled the camera. According to CI, Taylor wanted to kill the occupant because he was on video. Watson and Gordon talked him out of it, and the trio left in the Sebring.

4:40 - Gordon's T-M phone is near E 56th St and I-465 (near San Clemente/Cottages). Places a call to phone number *advertiser censored*. (Gordon's phone placed five calls to *advertiser censored* between 4:40 and 6:54 A.M.)

5:23 - 911 call to report burglary on San Clemente.

5:36 – Burglary No. 2 at 28xx SuCo. Surveillance camera captures suspect as he disables the security system. The home is two doors down from the Blackburn residence.

According to CI, after first burglary, the trio wanted more money, so they drove to the westside subdivision, and entered a home at 28xx SuCo by tearing through a patio screen, and opening a deadbolt on patio door. They stole televisions, MacBook Pro laptop, and other items, and loaded them into the Sebring.

6:00 - Davey Blackburn departs from his home in his 1997 black Honda Civic for a workout at L.A. Fitness, 4015 Shore Dr. He leaves front door unlocked.

6:25 - Gordon's T-M phone near, or at, 2812 Sunnyfield Ct.

6:25 - Burglary No. 3 at 2812 SuCo (time approximate based on phone records)

When detectives canvassed neighborhood, Det. Perkins spoke with Neighbor A, who reported that he and his wife saw a suspicious person dressed all in black with hoody pulled over his face, near their trash in front of their home on SuCo. Subject walked toward 2812 SoCo.

According to CI, after second burglary, they wanted more money. Taylor walked to 2812 SuCo and opened front door. Taylor and Watson entered the home. Gordon waited at the Sebring parked at 2830 SuCo.

Watson later walked to the car and told Gordon a woman was inside, and Taylor busted her in the mouth with his gun. The two discussed leaving. Then Taylor walked up, and threw some cards in the car. Watson drove with Gordon to an ATM on N. Michigan Rd.

6:36 - ATM at 6881 N.Michigan Rd issues a $500 withdrawal denied receipt for card ending in 3667 (AB's card). Receipt later recovered from the Sebring. ATM camera captures image of person who appears to be driving the Sebring. A pink shirt is wrapped around his face. He is wearing white hoody and dark vest.

6:38 to 7:10 - Taylor's Verizon phone is at or near 2812 Sunnyfield Ct. No reported activity for Taylor’s phone prior to this time.

6:39 - Taylor's Verizon phone calls Gordon's phone around this time. Watson and Taylor “discuss numbers”.

6:39 - Gordon's T-M phone near 6881 Michigan Rd, area of the failed ATM transaction

6:40-6:45 - As reported to Lt. Spurgeon, from her home on SuCo, Neighbor B heard what sounded like two shots and heard a woman scream.

6:54 - ATM at 1313 86th St, subject in white hoody walks up and withdraws $400 with AB's debit card.

6:54 - Gordon's T-M phone near 1313 W. 86th St, area of the successful ATM transaction.

Afterward, according to CI, Gordon and Watson wanted to leave Taylor. Taylor said he would kill the woman if they left him. ABu called Gordon’s phone. ABu said they couldn’t do that because Taylor was “family”.

6:55-7:10 - Gordon's T-M phone moves back toward Sunnyfield Court.

7:05 - As reported to Det. Prater, Neighbor C was leaving her home when she noticed black male subject wearing black shoes, pants and hoody (Taylor). As she drove away, she could see subject walking on Sunmeadow Way, talking loudly on his cell phone with one hand in his pocket, and a t-shirt pulled up around his face.

7:10 - The trio leave the addition. According to CI, Gordon exited the vehicle before Watson drove it into the addition. Watson and Taylor picked him up on the way out. Taylor is dropped off at 56[SUP]th [/SUP]and Guion Rd. He takes the stolen property, including a bag over his shoulder. Gordon and Watson drop the car in the Boulevard neighborhood.

7:10-7:11 - As reported to Capt. Converse and Det. Kepler, Neighbor D was leaving home on Sunmeadow Way when he noticed black male in hoody (Taylor) walking east on Sunmeadow Way. The hood was pulled tight, and one hand was to his ear. Neighbor returned to his home. A "like white Chrylser Sebring" traveling east drove up and stopped. Subject entered front seat. Vehicle turned in a driveway and drove west from Summerfield. Neighbor D provided home video which captured what he described.

7:10 - DB leaves the gym while talking on the phone with a friend.

7:30 - DB arrives home, still on the phone, and continues the conversation while sitting in the driveway.

7:30-8:35 - Watson and Gordon drop the Sebring in the neighborhood of 3800 Rookwood.

7:53 - Chase Bank leaves voice mail on AB's phone reporting suspicious activity on her bank card ending in 3667.

8:17 - SuCo resident calls 911 to report a burglary after she returned home and found front door unlocked. Suspects entered by tearing a patio window screen, and entering through patio door. Four televisions, a MacBook Pro, Tiffany pearl necklace, and women's pink sweater were stolen from the home. Also missing was a bag or oranges, a Uverse remote control, and bed sheets. It appeared suspects had consumed beer and wine, and left bottles in the home. They left through the front door.

8:20 - DB enters his house through front door. AB is on the living room floor lying in a pool of blood. Panties are next to her on the floor, and shirt is pulled up. Credit cards and wallet are on the floor. Purse and Swisher Sweet cigar package on the counter. The SS package doesn't belong to either DB or AB. A decorative ladder and a lamp are knocked over on the floor near AB.

8:22 - Davey Blackburn calls 911. Indianapolis Fire Department Engine 12 responds to the scene.

8:30 - IFD 12 contacts IMPD for assistance with a possible assault.

8:44 - Officers Larry Crowe and and Richard Crosby arrive as medics are carting AB away from the home.

9:01 - Detective Pete Perkins arrives at Methodist Hospital to investigate the nature of AB's injuries. He learns she suffered gunshot wound to the head, lower left arm, and a possible GSW to the back; and wasn't expected to live. Perkins speaks with Davey Blackburn at the hospital.

Det. Mahon met with a SuCo resident who provided video which captured activity in front of his home on SuCo.

Det. Mahon secured video from L.A. Fitness which showed DB was at the facility during the time of the murder.

According to CI, the three suspects eventually gathered back at ABu’s apartment. Taylor told them he killed the woman. He stated that she charged at him, and he shot her somewhere in the upper body so he wouldn’t be scratched. “Taylor then told them that he leaned over her body and shot her in the head. He leaned further, looked at her face, and watched her bleed.”

November 11, 2015

7:55 A.M. - AB declared legally dead.

10:28 P.M. - Officer Elliott was called to 3800 block of Rookwood on the report of the located stolen Sebring. Det. Lehn later interviewed witness who said the Sebring appeared the morning of Nov. 10, between 7:30 and 8:35.

November 12, 2015

10:00 A.M. - Det. Lehn attended autopsy of AB performed by Dr. Cavanaugh. AB suffered GSW to back of the head, GSW to lower left arm which traveled to bicep; and a through and through GSW which entered and exited upper back. The back wound was downward. In addition, AB had scratches to her left cheek, a split lip, and a lower tooth knocked out. Forensic Specialist Wilson collected bullets from AB's head and left bicep. Wilson also took fingernail scrapings. An exam had been done previously by a forensic nurse at Methodist Hospital.

[The bullets were examined and determined to be from a .38/9mm class. No shell casings were found, which was indicative of a revolver. Could be indicative of a .38/357. A photo later was retrieved from Larry Taylor's phone which depicted Taylor lying on a bed next to a snub nose revolved consistent with a .38 or .357. The photo was taken on Sept. 19, 2015.]

10:45 A.M. - Det. Kepler obtained consent to search the Sebring from the owner.

Among the items recovered from the Sebring was a women’s pink sweater stolen during burglary No. 2.

1:04 P.M. - Sgt. Eads obtains subpoena results which showed a subject with a pink sweater wrapped around his head, wearing a white hoody and black vest, driving the Sebring at the ATM on N. Michigan Rd.

Media reports on this day:

Lt. Richard Riddle, IMPD Public Information Officer gives interview to WTHR. Davey Blackburn is “100% cleared” of his wife’s murder.

Riddle says detectives are working with DB to determine what was stolen, and how entry was gained. He urges citizens to report any information, no matter how minor it might be.

http://www.wthr.com/story/30500485/...ails-of-womans-death-in-violent-home-invasion

Friday, November 13, 2015

Indiana Metro Police Department holds a press conference. Representatives from multiple agencies, including Indiana State Police and the FBI, make statements. Homicide Captain Craig Converse, and Major Eric Hench give a rundown of the crimes.
http://www.wthr.com/clip/12000406/impd-discusses-blackburn-case


Reports say the stolen dark colored SUV was found abandoned near 40[SUP]th[/SUP] St and Rookwood. LE hopes it will provide DNA, according to Paul Minser of the Indiana State Police who works with forensics.
http://wishtv.com/2015/11/13/invest...tails-in-blackburn-other-indy-murders-friday/

Sunday, November 15, 2015

A celebration of life is held for Amanda Blackburn
http://wishtv.com/2015/11/15/thousands-celebrate-the-life-of-amanda-blackburn/

Monday, November 16, 2015

IMPD releases two photos of the suspect in dark hoodie walking on the street. His right hand is held up to his face, and he appears to be holding a phone.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...-amanda-blackburns-suspected-killer/75901502/

Tuesday, November 17, 2015

Det. Lehn was informed that a DNA swab taken from the sweater turned up a match to Watson. A search of Watson’s Facebook page showed his best friend is Diano Gordon. Watson and Gordon were both on parole, with phone numbers on file with the parole office.

[(various dates) U. S. Marshall Liaison Sgt. Mark Hess subsequently secured search warrants from T-Mobile and Sprint, and detectives researched phone numbers from the call logs. One number was found through Backpage ads and police reports to belong of Larry Taylor, Jr. Hess tracked the phone to 14xx Meridian Way, where Taylor answered the door. Taylor said he didn’t live at the residence, but was staying there temporarily sleeping on a pallet on the floor. Taylor said the phone plugged in next to the pallet belonged to him.

Det. Hess tracked another phone to an apartment on Brendon Way West. There he found the gf of AB in possession of the phone. She said that she knew Gordon, Taylor and Watson, and that they left her apartment around 3:30 A.M. on November 10 She said a black jacket in the closet belonging to her bf was often worn by Watson. The gf showed him a Taurus 9MM that was under the bed. The jacket and gun later were recovered via search warrant and consent from the gf.

ABu was questioned by LE. He admitted when the trio left his apartment, one was wearing the black Pelle-Pelle jacket.]

Media on this day:

IMPD reports that a resident found a handgun in the 2900 block of West 42[SUP]nd[/SUP] Street, about a block and a half from the Blackburn home, and turned it into a fire station seven miles away. Lt. Riddle says they have no information which indicates the gun is connected to the murder, but it will be analyzed by investigators to see if it matches the caliber of gun used in the murder.

http://fox59.com/2015/11/17/recovered-handgun-may-be-linked-to-amanda-blackburn-murder-case/

Thursday, November 18, 2015

Detectives are working to find DNA from the Sunnfield Ct. homes, and the recovered SUV.
“24-Hour News 8, has learned that Marion County Forensic Director Michael Medler is fast tracking the evidence in Blackburn’s case through the DNA process.”

http://wishtv.com/2015/11/18/detectives-are-hoping-dna-leads-to-the-amanda-blackburn-killer/

November 19, 2015

Det. Lehn interviewed Larry Taylor, Jr. He said he “possibly” rode in a silver Sebring to 56[SUP]th[/SUP] and Guion Rd. to go see a person named “Cheese”, and that he “possibly” stopped on Sunnyfield Court, but he was too messed up to remember. He was able to recall that he never exited the vehicle until he was dropped off at 56h and Guion Rd.

IMPD served search warrants early Thursday morning into Thursday evening on at least two locations.

One location was an apartment complex on Brendon Way Dr. off of 56th St. Of particular interest in the search, was clothing worn by suspect(s) on November 10, as seen in the surveillance videos from the Blackburns' neighborhood.

Investigators were seen carrying out bags of evidence. What items were seized in the SW's has not been released.

During the course of the "raids", at least four individuals were questioned; three from the apartment complex, and one from another site where a SW was served.

(LE has not stated that the San Clemente and Sunnyfield Ct. crimes are related. Nor has LE indicated that the individuals questioned Thursday in relation to the Blackburn investigation are also suspects in the San Clemente robbery.)

DNA swabs might have been collected from three of the individuals, (per "sources").

At this time, two have been arrested on charges unrelated to the Blackburn investigation.

Diano Gordon, 24, is arrested on unrelated charges for parole violation.

“Sources” report that AB was sexually assaulted, but LE has not confirmed.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...ed-in-connection-to-death-of-amanda-blackburn
http://www.wthr.com/story/30564314/police-serve-search-warrant-at-northeast-indianapolis-apartment
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/.../?hootPostID=71098b57b8db93be2834cf28e68e8a22

November 21, 2015

Det. Lehn interviewed a “cooperating individual” (Gordon).

November 23, 2015

Larry Tayor, Jr. and Jalen E Watson arrested and charged with multiple counts of murder, burglary, robbery, criminal confinement, and breaking and entering.

November 24, 2015

Watson and Taylor “appeared at a court hearing Tuesday, where a judge entered not guilty pleas for them.”

Prosecutor files sentence enhancement for the unborn child.


http://fox59.com/2015/11/23/blackbu...sentence-enhancements-possible-death-penalty/

Oh my goodness bessie :clap: fantastic summary. The thanks button was just NOT enough. I don't think you missed anything.
 
Oh my goodness bessie :clap: fantastic summary. The thanks button was just NOT enough. I don't think you missed anything.
Thanks, and if you do find I missed anything, please let me know. I find for myself, when a case has multiple players and multiple events occurring within a narrow time frame, to get a good perspective, it helps to have the facts laid out in a linear fashion. Not only that, but I was going bats searching through the pdf, and being unable to do a word search to find what I was looking for.

What really popped out at me when putting this together, is just how brazen the perps were. We knew that already, but you really see it in the timeline. It appears they spent close to an hour in the home of the second burglary (drinking beer and wine, I suppose). I can't imagine how violated that homeowner must feel. Sure, she was lucky not to be home. That goes without saying. But the thought of those creeps hanging around in her home for that long...ugh!
 
Wow- that was a lot of work on that timeline put together. Man, it was tough to read. I wasn't going to check back on here again because it is all really too upsetting, but did. I didn't realize so many neighbors spotted these creeps before!! And didn't realize the husband was in his car talking on the phone for 40 minutes before going inside. Not that time would have mattered, since reading the horrific gun shot wounds.

I'm sure those neighbors, and husband are racked with 'coulda, woulda, shoulda'. I hope they find peace and don't feel guilty. I was a victim of a crime 12 years ago and I still do the looking back. But hindsight is 20/20. I'm glad the family has such a strong faith to get them through. I wouldn't survive it.

So at least we on here all learn lessons from something so tragic. ALWAYS call the police. One time I called the local police number (not 911) to do a drive around the street when I saw something. My gut wasn't that this person was up to no good, but I still thought better safe than sorry.
And believe me, gut feeling is always right on- like that one neighbor had when he went back home. And always lock your doors. Though the one house they broke through a deadbolt, which is terrifying..at least if door was locked, maybe poor Amanda would have heard someone trying to enter and called 911.

Also, why believe AB 'charged him'. His pathetic 'excuse' for shooting her. I wouldn't believe a thing that piece of ---- animal says.
 
56th and 465 (far ne side) to 38th and Michigan Rd area (nw side) seems random and weird to me. i wonder what brought them to the murder neighborhood?
I think many of us are asking the same question. In fact, it came up at the press conference. The officials had no answer, or none they were willing to divulge at the time, anyway. I'm sure it will come out, eventually. One of our social media sleuths might figure it out in the meantime. ;)
 
I think many of us are asking the same question. In fact, it came up at the press conference. The officials had no answer, or none they were willing to divulge at the time, anyway. I'm sure it will come out, eventually. One of our social media sleuths might figure out in the meantime.

I know Indy very well having lived there for my whole life until 11 years ago (I'm 47). It just seems planned to go that area.
 
Thanks, and if you do find I missed anything, please let me know. I find for myself, when a case has multiple players and multiple events occurring within a narrow time frame, to get a good perspective, it helps to have the facts laid out in a linear fashion. Not only that, but I was going bats searching through the pdf, and being unable to do a word search to find what I was looking for.

What really popped out at me when putting this together, is just how brazen the perps were. We knew that already, but you really see it in the timeline. It appears they spent close to an hour in the home of the second burglary (drinking beer and wine, I suppose). I can't imagine how violated that homeowner must feel. Sure, she was lucky not to be home. That goes without saying. But the thought of those creeps hanging around in her home for that long...ugh!

1. I hate when pdfs are actually just scanned documents.
2. What really stood out to me was WHO was being called repeatedly during the ENTIRE time these vile monsters were out burglarizing & killing AB. How the heck is he not being charged?? He knew where they were, what they were doing, all of it.
3. Boozin' it up at 6am. :facepalm: But yeah, JW was all about doing the right thing and turning his life around. BS. He was doing exactly what he wanted to do and lying his face off to his PO. The way most criminals do every single time.

This case makes me SO unbelievably angry, I have to step away and play with my cat or go outside.
 
I think many of us are asking the same question. In fact, it came up at the press conference. The officials had no answer, or none they were willing to divulge at the time, anyway. I'm sure it will come out, eventually. One of our social media sleuths might figure out in the meantime.

I want to say this very carefully with the full understanding DB has been cleared, this is a victim friendly forum, etc. This is NOT to point blame in his direction in any way. THAT being said...

Is it at ALL possible, there was some kind of connection, in some way, between DB and one of these creeps? Even something completely benign, such as one of them has family that's been to his church, or family/friends who are connected to him on SM? A possible discussion that went something like "why don't we hit up that pastor's house/neighborhood" ?? (assuming he had money or was well off, or whatever idiot criminals assume).

Pure speculation. But *something* lead them to that neighborhood. Shoot, maybe they even drove past a church sign somewhere in town after the 2nd burglary and that's where the idea came from?
 
Wow- that was a lot of work on that timeline put together. Man, it was tough to read. I wasn't going to check back on here again because it is all really too upsetting, but did. I didn't realize so many neighbors spotted these creeps before!! And didn't realize the husband was in his car talking on the phone for 40 minutes before going inside. Not that time would have mattered, since reading the horrific gun shot wounds.

I'm sure those neighbors, and husband are racked with 'coulda, woulda, shoulda'. I hope they find peace and don't feel guilty. I was a victim of a crime 12 years ago and I still do the looking back. But hindsight is 20/20. I'm glad the family has such a strong faith to get them through. I wouldn't survive it.

So at least we on here all learn lessons from something so tragic. ALWAYS call the police. And believe me, gut feeling is always right on- like that one neighbor had when he went back home. And always lock your doors. Though the one house they broke through a deadbolt, which is terrifying..at least if door was locked, maybe poor Amanda would have heard someone trying to enter and called 911.

Also, why believe AB 'charged him'. I wouldn't believe a thing that piece of ---- animal says.
I can only imagine how awful DB must feel to know that while he was in the driveway chatting on the phone, AB was dying inside. I really do feel for him.

You are so right that we can take an important lesson from this tragedy: trust your instincts, and pick up the phone. I don't want to say too much about DB or the neighbors because, like you said, I'm sure they're wrestling with regret and guilt. Just to clarify a bit, though, only the one couple ("Neighbor A" and his wife) saw Taylor before he entered AB's home, according to the doc. I believe the lady I call "Neighbor C" was the wife of "Neighbor A". I say that because in the first presser, it was stated that residents of one house saw a suspect near AB's house, and a resident of the same house spotted him again later.
 
I know Indy very well having lived there for my whole life until 11 years ago (I'm 47). It just seems planned to go that area.
I agree. They sure didn't spend much time driving around looking for a a good neighborhood to hit. I do know by looking at the map, the intersection where Taylor was dropped off is not as far away as the cottages. It's only like three miles from AB's house. One of the other three, ABu I believe, was arrested in that same area awhile back if I'm not mistaken.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/2812+Sunnyfield+Court,+Indianapolis,+IN/39.8520334,-86.2337593/@39.8355938,-86.2387192,14z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!1m1!1s0x886b568f8a6d3071:0xe8d7bf12e4b01875!2m2!1d-86.207191!2d39.826914!1m0!3e0

I want to say this very carefully with the full understanding DB has been cleared, this is a victim friendly forum, etc. This is NOT to point blame in his direction in any way. THAT being said...

Is it at ALL possible, there was some kind of connection, in some way, between DB and one of these creeps? Even something completely benign, such as one of them has family that's been to his church, or family/friends who are connected to him on SM? A possible discussion that went something like "why don't we hit up that pastor's house/neighborhood" ?? (assuming he had money or was well off, or whatever idiot criminals assume).

Pure speculation. But *something* lead them to that neighborhood. Shoot, maybe they even drove past a church sign somewhere in town after the 2nd burglary and that's where the idea came from?
I strongly doubt it. For one thing, they went to the neighbor's house first, and spent close to an hour hanging out there. Secondly, I think the "CI" would have indicated it. Some will say that perhaps he did, and LE purposely left it out of the affidavit. I'd disagree because evidence that the B's were targeted would have added greatly to the "probable cause".

JMO

ETA: WRT no. 2 in your other post, it sure looks like that person was getting a blow by blow of their activities, doesn't it. I think BigCityAccountant is right. There are more charges to come. We'll see.
 
I can only imagine how awful DB must feel to know that while he was in the driveway chatting on the phone, AB was dying inside. I really do feel for him.

You are so right that we can take an important lesson from this tragedy: trust your instincts, and pick up the phone. I don't want to say too much about DB or the neighbors because, like you said, I'm sure they're wrestling with regret and guilt. Just to clarify a bit, though, only the one couple ("Neighbor A" and his wife) saw Taylor before he entered AB's home, according to the doc. I believe the lady I call "Neighbor C" was the wife of "Neighbor A". I say that because in the first presser, it was stated that residents of one house saw a suspect near AB's house, and a resident of the same house spotted him again later.

Thank you.. I understand now. Wow. Just too tragic/sad all around. Probably such trusting people. So many tragically ending home invasion cases. Seems like even if you comply with the lunatics (she gave them her pin number, etc.), it can't even save your life. Can never make sense of it in this lifetime.
 
RSBM It appears they spent close to an hour in the home of the second burglary (drinking beer and wine, I suppose). I can't imagine how violated that homeowner must feel. Sure, she was lucky not to be home. That goes without saying. But the thought of those creeps hanging around in her home for that long...ugh!

I know when my mother in law had her house broken into, she threw all her toothbrushes away. She couldn't stand the thought that they might have touched them or used them. I mean, chances were extremely low that they had, but that's the kind of violation someone feels. I think for her, the stuff that was stolen (while some of it was quite valuable) wasn't nearly as devastating as the invasion itself. So I can only imagine how this homeowner feels.
 
Yes, shockingly brazen. I hate how all the luck was on their side- getting away with everything and a lot of stupid moves. Thankfully though they gave the cops a ton of evidence and may their punishment be the absolute max and widely publicized in hope that it deters others away from crime. Wishful thinking, but trying to see the good.
 
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Originally Posted by jggordo
Unless they have changed ATMs are programmed that if more than 2-3 attempts are made with the wrong PIN the ATM will retain the card into the machine and not give it back.


I didn't know this!!!

Yes -- I was a system support analyst at a bank, and I supported the ATM system -- and most banks (prolly all of them) do indeed have that feature in their systems and they have been there since ATMS were first designed, and it's just for this purpose -- to try to limit unauthorized ATM transactions.

In lieu of capturing the card, some banks put an alert on the card and the transaction activity is sent to the Bank's fraud dept, and they will usually notify the customer right away.
 
I don't why anyone would think that these guys ending up on Sunnyside Ct would be implausible as opposed to somewhere closer to their own neighborhood. It's a relatively nice neighborhood and it is obviously not a high traffic area at that time in the morning.

The only time someone would stop to wonder WHY and go to great lengths to scrutinize, is in a case where something this horrific has happened. Two of these guys are career burglars who have been in and out of prison for burglarizing.

I can see advantages to getting a good distance away from a neighborhood you just stole a car in, right ? Nicer neighborhood, greater potential for more valuable loot ? They stole a car at the first residence as their ride to the better loot and it's not traceable to them immediately. I have to believe that this is common behavior, maybe even a normal event of every one of their burglary adventures.

I don't think a more nefarious connection is implausible, but I certainly think suggesting that them going to Sunnyside Ct, to do what they likely did all the time, was implausible is a pretty big stretch imo.
 
I agree. They sure didn't spend much time driving around looking for a a good neighborhood to hit. I do know by looking at the map, the intersection where Taylor was dropped off is not as far away as the cottages. It's only like three miles from AB's house. One of the other three, ABu I believe, was arrested in that same area awhile back if I'm not mistaken.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/2812+Sunnyfield+Court,+Indianapolis,+IN/39.8520334,-86.2337593/@39.8355938,-86.2387192,14z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!1m1!1s0x886b568f8a6d3071:0xe8d7bf12e4b01875!2m2!1d-86.207191!2d39.826914!1m0!3e0

I strongly doubt it. For one thing, they went to the neighbor's house first, and spent close to an hour hanging out there. Secondly, I think the "CI" would have indicated it. Some will say that perhaps he did, and LE purposely left it out of the affidavit. I'd disagree because evidence that the B's were targeted would have added greatly to the "probable cause".

JMO

ETA: WRT no. 2 in your other post, it sure looks like that person was getting a blow by blow of their activities, doesn't it. I think BigCityAccountant is right. There are more charges to come. We'll see.

It's all just a guessing game right now why they chose THAT neighborhood, which is kind of out of the way. I mean, you almost have to know where you're going in that area to get to that particular street. I do hope one of them does spill and explains why that neighborhood and settles this for those of us wondering.
 
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