In Fairness To Cindy

[Kimster]

Right, I am a young 70 and there are many of us 'old gals' on message boards . Happy to be able to be here and still have the faculties. LOL:blowkiss:

My mom is 72 and better at EBay than I am! LOL! The kids don't realize we are still young on the inside!

:grouphug:

 

[radio]

Right, I am a young 70 and there are many of us 'old gals' on message boards . Happy to be able to be here and still have the faculties. LOL:blowkiss:

Welcome!!!!!!!

 

[JaneInOz]

Right, I am a young 70 and there are many of us 'old gals' on message boards . Happy to be able to be here and still have the faculties. LOL:blowkiss:

You know I was being complimentary right ! Im just super amazed ! Hey My dad is in his early 80's and is Super Fit more fit than most people on here I bet

Its all a state of mind !

:blowkiss:

 

[leophoenix]

I think people are projecting themselves into the Anthony's shoes. I do not see the attributes everyone is trying to give them. They claim to love Caylee but, their actions do not show it at all to me. I still believe they knew she was dead the first day although that probably can't be proven but, by the next their story had began a metamorphosis. By day two I think they cut their losses and wanted to save their daughter.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Peel
When I watched the Aug 14 video tape and CA is upset, then crying, KC chipper as always says to GA "she's crying already?" *chuckle* from KC.

In subsequent convo, same tape, it became clear that the only person who should be upset or for whom people should feel sympathy is KC. Her anger takes main stage....about being imprisoned...."when this whole thing started" ie, with her arrest not Caylee gone.

Seeing Cindy crying, peering at the vid to see her daughter's face, the head down bowed over, finally leaving for a break really upset me. KC did nothing. Not even, what is wrong? What is making you cry? KC is everyone's "best resource" after all for the answer to the questions.

This is the only time I really felt sorry for CA. Wanted to comfort or to help her.

As time goes forward though, when CA is telling us to get off our azzes, etc, and believe her lies....bs-ing the detectives....making silly fabrications....sputter! I think KC / CA are too similar.

Didn't Lee laugh inappropriately also? I think maybe this is just a nervous habit when things are bad that they both share. Just a hunch of course.

Yes, they share inappropriate laughter, but in the Aug. 14th video, KC wasn't "laughing inappropriately" she was downright giddy while her mother was crying. No nervous laughter there. Cindy could have just had confirmed devastating news and was coming to inform KC, but no, KC is just all giddy, asks sarcastically "she's crying already" and didn't bother to inquire if anything new had happened.

KC's true self was all over that video, or at least, the lesser hateful true self, because the murderous true self was shown in secret two months prior - although she did a fine job of giving us a glimpse of what poor Caylee saw in her last moments.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

She's in her fifty's now Gosh then if that makes you around the 70 mark give or take WOW to being on a message board LOL

Nothing wrong with being 70 and on a message board. Seventy happens to the best of us, right EasyGruuvin? :wink:

Trust me, no matter your age, 50, 60, 70, 80 comes around faster than anyone can imagine. Then you look around and think, what have I been doing all this time? :waitasec: I have so much more to do, things to see, people to meet...............More plans to be made and completed. It's a very productive time. And there is generally more freedom and not as much responsibility. It's not bad.

Voice of experience talking.

I think people are projecting themselves into the Anthony's shoes. I do not see the attributes everyone is trying to give them. They claim to love Caylee but, their actions do not show it at all to me. I still believe they knew she was dead the first day although that probably can't be proven but, by the next their story had began a metamorphosis. By day two I think they cut their losses and wanted to save their daughter.

I agree with your assessment. It was Cindy's protection of Casey over her concern for finding Caylee which turned a lot of people against her. Even on the night before Caylee's remains were found she was protesting against things she herself had said that first night (day 31 after Caylee disappeared). A caller into Larry King Live asked her why she changed her story about the dead body smell in the car, saying it was rotten pizza. She answered she never changed her story, she didn't say anything about a dead body, just that the car smelled. She had to know we've all hear the 911 calls played over and over, yet she says on national TV that wasn't what she said. Again she was protecting Casey instead of her concern for Caylee. grrrrrr

 

[radio]

I can see myself getting uptight with everyone around me if a child of mine were missing. I can see snapping at those who were insisting on looking for a dead child when I so desperately wanted a live child and then it wouldn't be my other child in the hot seat either. It may have been unrealistic, but I would have had a major sense of urgency to find a live child for more than one reason. So, I do understand some of it. Had I gotten such a negative reaction as Cindy did.... I might even be more difficult to deal with. (most likely, really don't like strangers in my business) I have no idea - but I do understand it.

 

[JaneInOz]

Nothing wrong with being 70 and on a message board. Seventy happens to the best of us, right EasyGruuvin? :wink:

Trust me, no matter your age, 50, 60, 70, 80 comes around faster than anyone can imagine. Then you look around and think, what have I been doing all this time? :waitasec: I have so much more to do, things to see, people to meet...............More plans to be made and completed. It's a very productive time. And there is generally more freedom and not as much responsibility. It's not bad.

Voice of experience talking.

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Trust me I know lol I cant believe where I am now in my life ! I think wtf did those years go....

I don't think you would believe how old I am

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I can see myself getting uptight with everyone around me if a child of mine were missing. I can see snapping at those who were insisting on looking for a dead child when I so desperately wanted a live child and then it wouldn't be my other child in the hot seat either. It may have been unrealistic, but I would have had a major sense of urgency to find a live child for more than one reason. So, I do understand some of it. Had I gotten such a negative reaction as Cindy did.... I might even be more difficult to deal with. (most likely, really don't like strangers in my business) I have no idea - but I do understand it.

But the negative reactions Cindy received were caused by CA herself. In the beginning, LE was looking for a living child, until they realized that the guilty party herself was the one who told lie after lie about what happened to Caylee.

Cindy didn't receive negative reactions until she herself started dishing the dirt, mouthing lie after lie, insisting no one was looking for a live Caylee, and she wasn't assisting the searchers herself. She hindered the searches from the beginning.

Cindy has herself to blame for the negativity she's received from the media and the average joe. I'm not saying the protesters were correct, but I'm saying CA's mouth, her protection of KC, and her lies did nothing to favor her in the eyes of the people.

 

[mitzi]

Right, I am a young 70 and there are many of us 'old gals' on message boards . Happy to be able to be here and still have the faculties. LOL:blowkiss:

You go girl! :blowkiss:

 

[blossomfish]

Yes, they share inappropriate laughter, but in the Aug. 14th video, KC wasn't "laughing inappropriately" she was downright giddy while her mother was crying. No nervous laughter there. Cindy could have just had confirmed devastating news and was coming to inform KC, but no, KC is just all giddy, asks sarcastically "she's crying already" and didn't bother to inquire if anything new had happened.

KC's true self was all over that video, or at least, the lesser hateful true self, because the murderous true self was shown in secret two months prior - although she did a fine job of giving us a glimpse of what poor Caylee saw in her last moments.

Wow, you are right - Cindy might have been so devastated because they had found Caylee's body at that time, and KC was just laughing. That is absolutely horrible!

 

[Psmith]

was that to me ? lol I was being complimentary to Easy Gruvvin

Not to you, per se, but peeps should not assume audience. As a teacher myself, be wary of foxholes. Faux holes.

This writer isn't:

I am neither democrat nor republican...I am a conservative. Therefore, based on good information from a reliable source at FreePeople website etc. (kept calculating death, doom, disaster, socialism, whatever)

If truly conservative, ie constitutional, this person should be for pres. elect. Aside from fact that as female, not allowed to vote until Perfect Constiution was amended.

Oh well very o/t

 

[Psmith]

No harm, hopefully, Jane. Are we ok? If not, pls PM.

 

[mikeysmommom]

So far I haven't seen her do anything to make anyone happy except KC, but that's just my opinion. I'm sure others have seen her cooperate fully with LE, behave like a grieving grandmother, beg for her grandchild's safe return, you know the usual stuff a grandmother does when someone allegedly kidnaps your grandchild. Guess I'm just watching the wrong TV channels or something.

My opinion only

We each see it differently,you have a right to your opinion just as I have a right to mine.

 

[magic-cat]

In fairness to Cindy...hmmm...ok.
In fairness to Cindy...
Why are we granting this "fairness to Cindy" again?
Because I cannot for the life of me figure out any way for there to be "fairness to Cindy" in all of this. One cannot turn a blind eye to what IS, and THAT is about the only way that I could say "in all fairness to Cindy" about ANYTHING to do with this case.

Cindy knows what a dead human body smells like. She had smelled it before that day. That smell CANNOT be confused with any other. She KNEW the car had housed a dead body, but she chose to deny that to herself, perhaps to preserve her own sanity? I don't know. But from that moment of denial, she spun, created and built a city of lies so tall and broad that you cannot even see from one side to the other. She made misleading statements. She with held evidence when it was requested. She tampered with evidence, knowing FULL WELL that there was the stench of death in her daughters car. She refused to co-operate with Eqqusearch and refused to provide an item of Caylee's so the dogs could get her scent. She misrepresented Casey to LE, to the public, and in all likelihood, convinced her own self that her alter reality that she created was in fact the truth...when it could not have been further FROM what WAS the truth. She never made any effort to look for Caylee her own personal self because she knew Caylee was dead. She put 2 and 2 together pretty quickly-death smell in car-no Caylee-Caylee dead-begin the cover-up.

We have heard quite a few instances when Cindy allowed Casey to not only be a spoiled child, but to actually break the law and she, Cindy, would go right behind her and sweep up the mess that her little criminal daughter was making on her way to murdering her daughter. She ignored her daughter's pregnancy for over 7 months-and being a registered nurse, you can just about gurantee that she KNEW she was pregnant.

In fairness to Cindy?

quoting myself because I did not complete my thought and needed to add some additional info...

Add to all I have said the fact that Cindy jumped on the Caylee donations train and is STILL riding it and even made an effort to Trademark poor Caylee's very name-KNOWING full well that her daughter was an habitual liar and that Caylee was the death smell from the car, and any respect that I could have had for her goes out of the window. They religiously maintained the donations "jars" and the website for donations to be collected and the t-shirt sales and bracelet sales to be accomplished. This is not the act of someone who is desperate to find their grandchild, this is the act of someone who is USING the loss of their granchild for personal gain. In addition, let's not foget the Lifetime Movie Deal for what? 1.7 million? Wasn't that the figure?

I understand that Cindy was working to support the ENTIRE family, but something else that I understand about that is she CHOSE to do this. We each make our choices, and she is no exception. She chose to work her butt off and to support her husband a great deal of the time, AND her GROWN daughter and her grown daughter's CHILD. She did not HAVE to do this. Nobody was holding a gun to her head. It was always her own choice to do this. She COULD have made other choices, like kicking her husband out if he was going to continue NOT to work, and seeing to it that Casey learned some measure of responsibility by requiring her to pay something for living there and to contribute to her own child's upkeep. She did not do this-she chose another path, and the blame FOR that path rests sqaurely upon her own shoulders.

Cindy has blamed everyone ELSE coming and going except the one that she knew in her heart of hearts was responsible, and that was her own spawn-Casey. She tried to smear various players in this saga, and to cast the seed of doubt over into someone elses garden besides her own daughter's. She even has blamed the media and the public, claiming that if Caylee was dead it was their/our fault-we were the ones who put her in that casket. NOT Casey's fault-the one who murdered her. Not Cindy's fault-the one who raised the "mother of the year" as she has called Casey. No, it would be OUR fault and the fault of the "maggots" who are the media that her grandchild was dead. In my experience, one who "blames" others like this is the victim in EVERYTHING that happens to them and they are never to blame for anything that comes along. There is always someone else or somewhere else to point the finger towards besides where it belongs pointed, and that is at the SELF.

So, in all fairness to Cindy, I can only look at the truth and the truth is what she has firmly denied from the beginning: Caylee was dead and she did nothing to find her remains because she knew this would lead to Casey being convicted in her death, and THIS would reflect badly upon HER and this was something that she was not willing to have happen. She who had valiantly supported her entire family and worked so hard to provide for everyone and to make sure that they all had a nice home in which to live. There was NO way she was coming out of this denial, as it would lead her to have to look at her own self and her part in it all, and this was something that she would not do.

In fairness to Cindy all I can say is that she should have gotten her daughter some help or gotten some for herself rather than paying Casey's way out and getting her out of all manner of difficulties. She should have MADE her daughter be responsible for her own life and the life of HER child and she should have started on this LONG before Casey was a 22 year old woman. Most parents teach their children some measure of self-sufficiency beginning early in life-allowance/chores, etc are the building blocks to learning and later, if ones grown child must live at home with their children, this same simple concept should be applied on a grander scale: yes, you can live here, BUT you will have to work, you will have to pay your auto insurance, you will have to keep gas in your own vehicle, you will have to pay something toward rent, you will be responsible for buying the things your child needs, you will be responsible for some of the labors in the home...Casey did not have to do ANYTHING remotely like this. She was allowed to do whatever she wanted, whenever she wanted and to pay for nothing at all. This was the beginning of her thinking that she could do whatever she wanted and mommy would take care of it...

Guess what Casey? Mommy can't take care of this one. This time, you took someone's LIFE and this time, YOU are going to pay the price BIGTIME...and it is sad, because had you been held accountable your WHOLE life, you may never have arrived at this time.

 

[JaneInOz]

No harm, hopefully, Jane. Are we ok? If not, pls PM.

Of course we are :blowkiss:

 

[JaneInOz]

Guess what Casey? Mommy can't take care of this one. This time, you took someone's LIFE and this time, YOU are going to pay the price BIGTIME...and it is sad, because had you been held accountable your WHOLE life, you may never have arrived at this time.

I disagree with this. This is not Cindy's doing. Because as you said yourself about Cindy it was HER choice, to take care of Casey and Caylee , It was her choice to do various things..

Well Casey was 22years old she knew right from wrong. It was HER choice to do the things that she chose to do
No one made her
No one held a gun to her head.

So if she had been held accountable in her life for things she may still very well have turned out the way she did.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

magic-cat, I agree with everything you said except for the last line. Making Casey accountable her whole life may not have changed that evil, vile, murdering person one iota. Sometimes people are evil through and through, and I believe Casey is one of those people.

Yes, Cindy could have done things differently with all her family members, but I don't think any of it would have helped Casey. I believe evil is inherent in KC and nothing anyone could have tried would have changed her. She knows right from wrong and doesn't care. It's all about what Casey wants. JMO

 

[Egoslayer]

Mini-rant:

I hate how people say "if I was in her shoes I would scream at Casey until she told me the truth". I wonder, does that really work in your life? When you want something do you just scream? It doesn't work in mine.

The truth is, there is nothing you can do. You can't control your children, much less when they are adults. Sure, blame her for bad parenting, but LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE .. I sure wasn't raised perfect.

Cindy isn't perfect, she's a human being, but blaming her for the death of Caylee is going too far.

I could never understand what she and George are feeling right now.

And nobody else could.

 

[LLH]

Ditto- Casey made her own choices. There is often just one sociopathic child in a family with many emotionally healthy children, so the parents arent really the issue. I doubt Caseys behavior could or would be influenced by anyone.