I agree. And with the lawyer saying she "disappeared," there has been not one word to suggest that the GF was aware that she was slipping out of his grasp. No matter how fast that happened you would feel it and try to grab the child. No word of that at all. If he didn't feel her slipping out and didn't have the wherewithal to try to grab her (If, bcs idk what happened), then that too suggests something was definitely not okay with the GF.
I am not buying that the family doesn't know he has some degree of poor judgment at times. But on the other hand, this thing was completely unforeseeable by the rest of the family. If only his wife or the parents had been there they would have immediately stopped him from lifting her up there. It is SO high up to hold a toddler; how could he not immediately recognize that this was a precarious situation due to the height (near chest level) and the fact that an 18-month-old weighs more than a feather and they move around, and the fact that he is not an agile individual. It would have been risky for anyone to do.
It makes me think that Chloe didn't even ask to be picked up; she could already see. (pure speculation)
Without seeing the videos of different angles there are still too many possibilities of how they were positioned and what exactly happened.
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Oh, Winkleman.... So, now it's "Disappeared" ??
What, did the ship itself shift even though it was docked and Chloe was thrown from the window w/o G-pa's involvement at all ?
She didn't 'disappear'. The video should show what happened and the exact moment of her fall.
Every angle and camera must have been thoroughly examined even if frame by frame.
Imo-- RCCL must have done this already.
And the lawyer knows this.
He may fabricate and invent but that doesn't mean he's an idiot.
That title was earned by someone else.
Because...she could have gotten a great (and non fatal) view from the bottom row of windows. It's all changed now from "she wanted to be picked up to bang on the glass" which was being said by MW immediately after it happened. If the story keeps changing, something is a lie!
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Yes, and one has to wonder what other iterations will emerge from MW or the family ?
Afaik; they're continuing with their lawsuit.
Totally different point next: I wouldn't have come up with this on my own, but from my reading around over the years I have a very negative interpretation of the one statement that SA has made. "They can't do anything worse to me than what has already happened." That statement pisses me off in many ways. He would have been way better off to say nothing.
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Ita.
It's telling that this is all about HIM.
Surprised his family didn't accompany SA as 'minders', or MW --- to tell him to be quiet !!
Interesting and yeah, the best defense is a good offense. So maybe that's why they hired Winkleman so soon. "Ambulance chasing" is illegal in Florida so it had to be a family member who contacted him. Even a referral from a third party is against Fl. bar regs.
Winkleman must have thought there was a decent case, at least in the hours right after Chloe's fall. And after gathering information IMO he'd have declined to represent the family if it didn't look like a good case. I know he was quoted in msm back in July saying he was waiting to view the video before making a decision as to whether or not to sue so I have to wonder if the video has him nervous now, given some of his recent backpedaling. MOO.
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Agreed.
Wonder who made the call ?
Afaik; only SA and Chloe's mother were sedated... so was it dad ?
What do the paternal grandparents have to say ?
Were they witnesses ? (Seems horrible to think about.)
However , if they're ( & rightfully so) angry with SA -- one would assume they want the whole truth to be revealed ?
Video shows girl's final moments with grandfather before cruise ship death
Winkleman said Anello didn't realize
there was no glass directly in front of him.
Within five seconds Chloe falls more than 100 feet below.
"She's sitting on the wooden banister, why did he then lean forward with her?" Begnaud asked Winkleman.
-"I think
it's pretty obvious why they leaned forward, and that would be so that you could get a better view," Winkleman said.
"What do you say to the fact that he raised her and put her on this banister which the cruise line might argue was not meant for young children to be sitting on?" Begnaud asked.
"
If that was the case and they want no one to sit on it, they should say no one should sit on it. … There's no sign that says that. There's no warning, no nothing," Winkleman said.
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The only way that you can prove or disprove anything that Sam said is based on the video and based on his testimony … Those are the only pieces of evidence you have," Winkleman said. "There were no eye witnesses. There's no one who's come forward to tell any different story. … So all you have is Sam's testimony, his story and the video."
After Chloe fell out of the window, Anello drops to his knees, according to Winkleman, and he yelled out loud, "I just dropped my child. I thought there was glass! I thought there was glass!"
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IMO Winkleman set the -no glass- narrative (before viewing video)
now he’s moved to the -leaning forward to get a better view- narrative(post viewing). followed up with -there was no SIGN,no witnesses,no one telling a different story.
Sadly I think
he would blame Ship staff if they were anywhere near the tragedy.SMH!
MOO
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Tbh; it's surprising he hasn't attempted that angle.
Good that there are multiple sec. cams on those ships.
As well as witnesses , of whom MW believes don't exist.
What the heck does he do with his down time ?
Sit and invent scenarios that fit in with his client's lawsuit(s) ????
I still hope they'll renew the prior threads, as there was a link to one or more witnesses who claim the story as was told by the family is wrong.
