Found Deceased IN - IMAGE discussion re Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi

[J Lee]

4) intoxicated? (No I don't think it's RL just adding a possible)

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Yes!! Great one!


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[expatCanada]

Amen.

Yall. He would have to be doing some seriously fast ninja moves to change his hoodie and get his hands back in the same place in 2 frames. I think it is much more reasonable to assume the hoodie is still on but the difference in light just changed the appearance in the frame. I bet in the next 2 frames it would reappear.

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[LaneGirl]

I just don't see a hoodie except in one frame where his head is down just a hair more and his face and right side is shaded it gives the appearance of a hoodie.

I clearly see an ear on the right side of his face in 2 of the 3 frames. But that is just what I see.

 

[Confusion]

In the frame by frame it makes it look like he is making a turn to me. He seems to be leaning too far to the left (if you were behind him) to be walking straight.

Isn't it possible that he was crossing the bridge to go after the girls but then saw that they were heading back toward the north. He may have noticed Libby point her phone toward him and turned around to head back before she'd have a chance to get a decent picture of him. He could have just crossed back and waited for them to get back. I just keep coming back to there being no logical reason to take them away and bring them back to the same spot (with the possibility of many witnesses), taking them down to cross the creek and bring them up to where they were found, or for them to run down to cross the creek if they were trying to escape him. Any of them is possible, but none makes sense to me. MOO

 

[michael.gartley]

Still looks and sounds (based on what the colour science guy said) like clipping to me. Not sure what "actual fine color detail differences" means. I see clipping a LOT. It's ugly.

What I meant by "fine color differences" was whether its small spatial scale color difference.

Plotting an x-profile of the RGB and YCbCr values to convince myself. I agree with both you and my office neighbor.

The red line shows the image row I chose to plot values for, going right through the spot on BG's right hand (maybe a watch).

The little dark dot in the Cr image shows up as a small dip in the Cr plotted curve around sample 48. The RGB line profiles also show what looks like clipping, like you said.

For everyone other than Billy Mabou, sorry for the gory detail! Sometimes it's necessary to understand what I'm looking at.

 

[LaneGirl]

What I meant by "fine color differences" was whether its small spatial scale color difference.

Plotting an x-profile of the RGB and YCbCr values to convince myself. I agree with both you and my office neighbor.

The red line shows the image row I chose to plot values for, going right through the spot on BG's right hand (maybe a watch).

The little dark dot in the Cr image shows up as a small dip in the Cr plotted curve around sample 48. The RGB line profiles also show what looks like clipping, like you said.

For everyone other than Billy Mabou, sorry for the gory detail! Sometimes it's necessary to understand what I'm looking at.

I do find this very interesting but can you add in layman terms why this is important and what we would see or not see because of the clipping, RGB line etc.

 

[Falling Down]

I agree. He is either
1.) turning.
2.) walking carefully, possibly avoiding hole/obstacle.
Or...
3.) about to sprint.

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Agreed, looks like he was about to strike. MOO is he could have closed the distance in 5-6 seconds.

 

[J Lee]

Agreed, looks like he was about to strike. MOO is he could have closed the distance in 5-6 seconds.

Correctly if I am wrong...
Didn't someone in LE say, in reference to the video, the girls were attacked very quickly after those images were captured? and then they were moved?

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[Dawning3]

Why does the mustache appear so dark in two of the images and either non-existent or light in the other (more widely distributed) image? Which do you think is the most accurate representation of BG's face? Does he have a mustache at all? If so, is it dark or light?


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[DB90]

Why does the mustache appear so dark in two of the images and either non-existent or light in the other (more widely distributed) image? Which do you think is the most accurate representation of BG's face? Does he have a mustache at all? If so, is it dark or light?


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To me it seems like a dirty blonde color, and I believe it is a handlebar type mustache. He almost looks like he's wearing a windbreaker over a jacket.

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Nice. That seems more fittin w other two imo. What's the green patch on the hood of hoodie( for whoever else sees hoodie now) doesn't match background leafage to me personally.

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BBM

It's obviously a parrot on his shoulder.



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[Lilowlet]

BBM

It's obviously a parrot on his shoulder.



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Are you Surre? I thought it was a gremlin..🤔

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[Brighty]

To me it seems like a dirty blonde color, and I believe it is a handlebar type mustache. He almost looks like he's wearing a windbreaker over a jacket.

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You and I are seeing a lot the same. I also think his hair is dirty blonde, and I think he has a handle bar mustache too. I think his mustache is scraggly, not groomed.

I do think he is wearing a light jacket, or windbreaker over a hoodie. I also think the part people think is a backpack is actually the bottom of the hoodie showing because I think he has the jacket pushed up to get his hand into the hoodie pocket, which causes that part of the hoodie to bunch up and give the idea there is something like a fanny pack or tool belt there.

To me it seems like he is reaching behind him to get something out of his left back pocket or is carrying something in his left hand behind him to conceal it. I also think he is at the same time reaching into his right hoodie pocket under the jacket or windbreaker to get something else..

 

[mpnola]

What I meant by "fine color differences" was whether its small spatial scale color difference.

Plotting an x-profile of the RGB and YCbCr values to convince myself. I agree with both you and my office neighbor.

The red line shows the image row I chose to plot values for, going right through the spot on BG's right hand (maybe a watch).

The little dark dot in the Cr image shows up as a small dip in the Cr plotted curve around sample 48. The RGB line profiles also show what looks like clipping, like you said.

For everyone other than Billy Mabou, sorry for the gory detail! Sometimes it's necessary to understand what I'm looking at.

I love so much that no matter what is presented in life, someone legitimately knows a whole lot about it. It makes me smile to be around people and taught by people who are truly knowledgeable. Most of us go through life living and learning on the surface. When a person has the chance to use deep knowledge for something other than their job, I always take notice and feel honored to watch. Thanks for sharing your knowledge you might not show non-work people too often.

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[mpnola]

Also, this step sequence proves to me he isn't running. Some had speculated he looked like he was running. Those 2 steps are not nearly far enough apart, nor is his body moving in a way for it to be a run. A turn, yes. But no way a run.

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[mpnola]

Why does the mustache appear so dark in two of the images and either non-existent or light in the other (more widely distributed) image? Which do you think is the most accurate representation of BG's face? Does he have a mustache at all? If so, is it dark or light?


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I think for the same reason people think his hoodie disappears. It is a different angle the phone caught the light. His hoodie, mustache, shirt tails, jeans and shoes all look like a different color than the first 2. So we have 2 choices- the hoodie was removed, he dyed his stache, and changed his clothes or the light makes it look different. I'm going to go with b. Even though many people prefer aspects of a.

I own an Etsy shop. I take product pics on my phone. I take about 10 pics barely changing my phone angle because the light looks totally different. Try it with your phones! Take some pics while turning it slightly and watch the difference. I think Libby just moved her phone and the sun was caught differently. I'm ok if people don't agree. But it seems so logical to me that I can't believe it's still such a topic so long into this case.

Hope this doesn't sound rude cause its really typed with no rude undertones. I'm typing on my phone and I tend to shorten things which sometimes sound snippy. I hate typing on the phone

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[Falling Down]

I think for the same reason people think his hoodie disappears. It is a different angle the phone caught the light. His hoodie, mustache, shirt tails, jeans and shoes all look like a different color than the first 2. So we have 2 choices- the hoodie was removed, he dyed his stache, and changed his clothes or the light makes it look different. I'm going to go with b. Even though many people prefer aspects of a.

I own an Etsy shop. I take product pics on my phone. I take about 10 pics barely changing my phone angle because the light looks totally different. Try it with your phones! Take some pics while turning it slightly and watch the difference. I think Libby just moved her phone and the sun was caught differently. I'm ok if people don't agree. But it seems so logical to me that I can't believe it's still such a topic so long into this case.

Hope this doesn't sound rude cause its really typed with no rude undertones. I'm typing on my phone and I tend to shorten things which sometimes sound snippy. I hate typing on the phone

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I agree 100%. The phone moved.

 

[margarita25]

There is a software LE uses which helps create suspect sketches; I saw it mentioned on Forensic Files (same episode I mentioned upstream).

Can we maybe try to determine facial feature distances and work up a sketch or 3D Model like Forensic Anthropologists do using pegs?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I love so much that no matter what is presented in life, someone legitimately knows a whole lot about it. It makes me smile to be around people and taught by people who are truly knowledgeable. Most of us go through life living and learning on the surface. When a person has the chance to use deep knowledge for something other than their job, I always take notice and feel honored to watch. Thanks for sharing your knowledge you might not show non-work people too often.

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I'm with you with your praise!!!
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I would like to know whether we would find a VOICE specialist if we would need one ...??

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Why does the mustache appear so dark in two of the images and either non-existent or light in the other (more widely distributed) image? Which do you think is the most accurate representation of BG's face? Does he have a mustache at all? If so, is it dark or light?


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Scruffy and scraggly a bit and mostly like a beard named "toothbrush", IMO. Colour maybe light brown with some reddish tone, IMO too.



PS: I can not help thinking that I just recognize this beard ..... :blushing: