IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #10

[Inspector Gidget]

It's not that I think she was involved, it's that I don't trust her because she wasn't forthcoming with information about LS/JW.

IMO -- it's obvious that something was wrong between LS and JW. She was in the company of another male in the middle of the night.
Now, from the beginning, HT made it sound like everything was great between LS and JW, a happily ever after couple.

That's why I don't believe her -- a roommate, a friend, would know of relationship problems.

So then the next question is ... why give the guy your room key if he's an ex?

Perhaps she's protecting him, perhaps she likes him or there is something between them.
Maybe there was some party with multiple people present when Lauren OD'd or died from drinking? And she was there ... they all were?

I don't know really, I cannot say ... I can only say I don't believe HT because of that one slip up she made at the beginning.

I agree with you .Why would Lauren be out and partying with these other guys if their were no problems.She had just met CR two weeks earlier.Why
the fight at Smallwood?

 

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[Ven]

Can you please point me to the source of what you are referring to that it has come out that LS and JW had broken up?

One of the posters earlier in the thread says it was seen on JW's facebook page, and I saw a separate report of this on a blog elsewhere.

^^Even if just hearsay, I've maintained from the beginning that something was not right between Lauren and JW because she went to a bar, alone, and she was in the company of another male in the middle of the night.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Most of all she is one of the two sources for the 4:15am phone call and the only one who has said it wasn't JR, -- but LS -- who made the call..

Thanks for your on-the-ground perception and judicious take. I'd like to get a little behind the above, however. HT saying that the person who made the call was LS presumably is relating JR's story to her - clearly he spoke to her after 6/2, presumably upon her inquiry into LS's disappearance. I believe the attorney representing DR in a separate matter has said that he received a 4:15 call, but doesn't know who made it. Presumably, this is because the call was identified as coming from JR's phone, but the attorney doesn't want to say JR was making the call if he can't say that for sure, in light of JR's allegation, via HT. Do I understand correctly that these are the two sources and JR has never said anything to LE (or are the sources you mention yours?) about the call?

 

[jennyb629]

And just a question, how does this affect him calling her parents to say she is missing?

Good question. I would think that if they had just broken up, amicably, after 2 years of dating, then he would still be a likely person to notify her parents, who would presumably know him better than some of her other friends/acquaintances.

 

[Jupiter812]

And for the record, I've read a few posters say how Bloomington is a "ghost town" in the summer. This is no longer the case, especially with all the "upscale" apartment units downtown and with increased attendance of Summer Session I. (P.S. Hope a moratorium is soon put on developing further units.)

 

[Ven]

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Some thoughts about HT. First off, if you haven't seen a photo of her, she is strikingly beautiful. I've watched her interact with others in the search HQ when it was on College Ave. I would see her hanging out in front of Smallwood. She certainly seemed supportive, right there with the family.

The first thing is, as a journalist, I was taken aback on how she was so open to be interviewed. I didn't interview her, but the Journal News did. And they spoke to her more than once. Her remarks are extensive, odd for a case in which nobody seems to be talking. She also went on the record, knowing that her name would be used.

At first I just thought her to be naive. She's young and was in the middle of a very fluid situation that she wasn't really comprehending. And who could blame her.

Not that I've necessarily changed my opinion, but I am listening to those HT detractors. The allegations are that she's telling a story for Jay. Some of her facts were contradictory, but everybody is getting something wrong, the witnesses, the cops, the media, so I didn't really put much value on the criticism she was getting.

Most of all she is one of the two sources for the 4:15am phone call and the only one who has said it wasn't JR, -- but LS -- who made the call.

In a story where the police are not releasing much information, and none of the persons of interest -- primary or secondary -- are talking, HT does stand out -- if for nothing else -- for her verbosity..

As one of those detractors, I just don't think she's credible. She may not even know anything, but her feelings for friends, or a guy, might be coloring any info she provides.

The thing about the keys really bothers me, and is the one nefarious detail that strikes me about her story.

Why would she give JW her room keys if he and Lauren weren't together anymore? Very odd ...

 

[eqh]

Going back to an astute point by AnalyticalExaminer, what is the relationship between CR (and MB) and JR? It seems that JR is JW's buddy, which would put him directly at odds with CR, is this right?

Given that CR/MB cannot be lying about the timeline without collusion by JR, what is the odds that they would actually conspire to lie? I wonder about this. I'm starting to buy the story that CR/MB are telling the truth, at least broadly.

 

[Walker]

In my opinion, LS is still possibly alive.

She may have just gotten angry & frustrated with the college scene and run away.

Link in which man describes his bad experience living in a religious community which isolated themselves, and in which the leaders "brainwashed" the people:

http://www.lohud.com/article/201106...ated-New-Square?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News

BTW: there are many different Hasidic groups.

In one case which I happen to know about, a 28-year old woman joined an Hasidic group, married an Hasidic man, and the group encouraged her to cut off all ties to her (non-Jewish) family. She was not even allowed to attend her own mother's funeral because her mother was an "outsider."

Could LS have come into contact with someone involved in one of these groups? Not even necessarily an Hasidic group, or even a religious group, but some community which rejects modern values?

 

[bx2]

One of the posters earlier in the thread says it was seen on JW's facebook page, and I saw a separate report of this on a blog elsewhere.

^^Even if just hearsay, I've maintained from the beginning that something was not right between Lauren and JW because she went to a bar, alone, and she was in the company of another male in the middle of the night.

I'm just verifying that it is indeed hearsay.

Maybe it's because I too have went to a bar, alone with another female, who was in a committed relationship in the middle of the night that I don't find this in the least bit odd. I've also met friends out who were in the exact same situation and didn't find it weird then either.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Sorry am not able to follow alomg closely this evening but rather only able to pop In here and there..

Can anyone point me to where the info that has out that infact Jesse and Lauren were actually broken up..

Tia

 

[Ven]

I'm just verifying that it is indeed hearsay.

Maybe it's because I too have went to a bar, alone with another female, who was in a committed relationship in the middle of the night that I don't find this in the least bit odd. I've also met friends out who were in the exact same situation and didn't find it weird then either.

But why were his friends following her and beat the guy up?

If her relationship with JR was platonic, surely this would not happen?

Also, it was described in the media (early on) that a witness saw JR paying LS "inappropriate attention".
Clearly, that means hands on, making out kind of attention.

And it must not have been unwanted, because she accompanied him back to his apt. after he got beat up.

As other posters mentioned, if she didn't want him touching her, she would've just gone inside and gotten away from him.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

In my opinion, LS is still possibly alive.

She may have just gotten angry & frustrated with the college scene and run away.

Link in which man describes his bad experience living in a religious community which isolated themselves, and in which the leaders "brainwashed" the people:

http://www.lohud.com/article/201106...ated-New-Square?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News

BTW: there are many different Hasidic groups.

In one case which I happen to know about, a 28-year old woman joined an Hasidic group, married an Hasidic man, and the group encouraged her to cut off all ties to her (non-Jewish) family. She was not even allowed to attend her own mother's funeral because her mother was an "outsider."

Could LS have come into contact with someone involved in one of these groups? Not even necessarily an Hasidic group, or even a religious group, but some community which rejects modern values?

Where would she run to with no phone,money, or shoes?Also drunk and messed up to boot at 4:00 in the morning

 

[Alliecog]

One of the posters earlier in the thread says it was seen on JW's facebook page, and I saw a separate report of this on a blog elsewhere.

^^Even if just hearsay, I've maintained from the beginning that something was not right between Lauren and JW because she went to a bar, alone, and she was in the company of another male in the middle of the night.

I believe the family has privatized LS Facebook, probably a good thing. But that could mean JW was left with just "in a relationship" which is probably very sad. If i were him I'd take it down too. But only JW knows for sure... It's very possible based on her apparent behavior that night was out of the ordinary

 

[Blythe]

In my opinion, LS is still possibly alive.

She may have just gotten angry & frustrated with the college scene and run away.

Link in which man describes his bad experience living in a religious community which isolated themselves, and in which the leaders "brainwashed" the people:

http://www.lohud.com/article/201106...ated-New-Square?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News

BTW: there are many different Hasidic groups.

In one case which I happen to know about, a 28-year old woman joined an Hasidic group, married an Hasidic man, and the group encouraged her to cut off all ties to her (non-Jewish) family. She was not even allowed to attend her own mother's funeral because her mother was an "outsider."

Could LS have come into contact with someone involved in one of these groups? Not even necessarily an Hasidic group, or even a religious group, but some community which rejects modern values?

Personally, I believe this is magical thinking but it is the preferred ending three weeks into this.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Going back to an astute point by AnalyticalExaminer, what is the relationship between CR (and MB) and JR? It seems that JR is JW's buddy, which would put him directly at odds with CR, is this right?

Given that CR/MB cannot be lying about the timeline without collusion by JR, what is the odds that they would actually conspire to lie? I wonder about this. I'm starting to buy the story that CR/MB are telling the truth, at least broadly.

The latter point, in conjunction with their extensive cooperation, underlies my longstanding presumption that CR/MB can probably be ruled out.

As to the former point, it is my impression that:
1) JR and JW are very far from buddies and never have been, even if they share a fraternity membership (which doesn't mean they are rivals, just that they have never much associated with one another)
2) JR and CR are neighbors who at least partied together, but I have no particular impression of the depth of their relationship
3) JW, like LS, had no idea who CR was until several days prior to LS's disappearance, if not the day it was discovered
4) A portion of JW's camp was certainly at odds with CR that night
5) JW and his camp was very much at odds with CR and perhaps also JR the next day. While I don't know whether that has changed with respect to CR, I believe that their focus is now largely if not entirely on JR.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

Sorry am not able to follow alomg closely this evening but rather only able to pop In here and there..

Can anyone point me to where the info that has out that infact Jesse and Lauren were actually broken up..

Tia

I think this is what they are talking about:
Video Guy said...

Legal Pub said...
(Two questions for Jesse Wolff's attorney: When does Jesse's roommate say that he last saw Jesse? Second, Did you read your client's Facebook postings?)

Good point, I have read his facebook posting someone posted and it is apparent that as of May 30th there seems to be trouble in their relationship as he is asking Lauren to re-friend him.

http://legalpublication.blogspot.com/2011/06/lauren-spierer-disappearance-puzzles.html?commentPage=2

 

[bx2]

But why were his friends following her and beat the guy up?

If her relationship with JR was platonic, surely this would not happen?

Also, it was described in the media (early on) that a witness saw JR paying LS "inappropriate attention".
Clearly, that means hands on, making out kind of attention.

And it must not have been unwanted, because she accompanied him back to his apt. after he got beat up.

As other posters mentioned, if she didn't want him touching her, she would've just gone inside and gotten away from him.

Presumably you mean CR above.

Drinking and possible drug use does things to a person's decision making. All of the events you describe above do not point to problems in her relationship with JW, they point to her not being in control of her decisions.

 

[Ven]

Presumably you mean CR above.

Drinking and possible drug use does things to a person's decision making. All of the events you describe above do not point to problems in her relationship with JW, they point to her not being in control of her decisions.

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I don't buy that at all.
Even at 20, if you're in a relationship it's not cool to ditch your boyfriend and hang out with a guy you just met, at 2 a.m., with his hands all over you.

Unless that was normal behavior for LS, which I've seen nobody suggest that it was, then I think something had to be amiss between her and JW, IMO.

 

[bx2]

As to the former point, it is my impression that:
1) JR and JW are very far from buddies and never have been, even if they share a fraternity membership (which doesn't mean they are rivals, just that they have never much associated with one another)
2) JR and CR are neighbors who at least partied together, but I have no particular impression of the depth of their relationship
3) JW, like LS, had no idea who CR was until several days prior to LS's disappearance, if not the day it was discovered
4) A portion of JW's camp was certainly at odds with CR that night
5) JW and his camp was very much at odds with CR and perhaps also JR the next day. While I don't know whether that has changed with respect to CR, I believe that their focus is now largely if not entirely on JR.

Just wanted to second all of these points. Very succinctly summed.