IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #11

[Blythe]

PHONE CALL Just came into my head. POCKET CALL! Theory: The call was made when something bad happened to LS. It's JR's phone. So now I'm thinking it wasn't DR or JR who dialed. Maybe during a struggle. Moving a body? The timing is perfect. And if this is the scenerio, JR would need to explain the call. Which he apparently has, to HT.

I'd considered this but decided I was overthinking. He wouldn't have to explain a pocket call, in fact, it would have been a better explanation if he was covering something. ("Why didn't I think of that?" says JR)

 

[jjenny]

Oh, one other random thought, and this is highly speculative, so I apologize in advance. But what if JR's timeline is an hour later than things actually happened? I.E. - instead of arriving at his door at 3:10 and leaving between 4:15-4:30, what if she simply came in, looked for her cell phone, and left? I realize this flies in the face of JR's statement, but his statement seems unrealistic to begin with. This would also possibly explain the "mystery man" scenario, because that timeline would put her in the vicinity of 10th and College around 3:30 or so.

It's not just JR's timeline. First she arrived in the apartment of CR and MB who are in the same building. Only after that she went to JR's. Her time of arrival at CR's and MB's is supported by video evidence since she was caught on camera while going over there.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Oh, one other random thought, and this is highly speculative, so I apologize in advance. But what if JR's timeline is an hour later than things actually happened? I.E. - instead of arriving at his door at 3:10 and leaving between 4:15-4:30, what if she simply came in, looked for her cell phone, and left? I realize this flies in the face of JR's statement, but his statement seems unrealistic to begin with. This would also possibly explain the "mystery man" scenario, because that timeline would put her in the vicinity of 10th and College around 3:30 or so.

I don't think this is at all inconsistent with JR's timeline. We have never been told when he said she arrived at his place, only when she left. Nor have we been told when she left (or arrived) CR/MB's, though we have been told what supposedly happened there (MB puts CR to bed, LS wants to "party," MB demurs because he is writing papers) and can take a guess how much time it took after however much time it took CR/LS to make it through the alley and/or lot (and it sounds like the alley is the most direct route) to their place after 2:51.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

It is my impression, by the way, that JR is not very intelligent.

 

[northsider]

Are you under the impression that HT was with the group at JR"s earlier in the evening? I don't believe that that's the case. HT was with LS at Smallwood until 12:30AM, supposedly, when LS and DR (but not HT) went to JR's.

Again, it makes sense to call DR at 415 because he is male, not female, and perhaps because he has a car.

Okay, you're right, I was under the impression that HT had gone to JRs with LS and DR. I was wrong about that ---- but then that makes me even more suspicious of the amount of minute detail HT gave about what everybody was doing. Maybe I shouldn't be, but it amazes me that someone who didn't go to the party and never saw LS would know as much as she claims in this article.

 

[jjenny]

Okay, you're right, I was under the impression that HT had gone to JRs with LS and DR. I was wrong about that ---- but then that makes me even more suspicious of the amount of minute detail HT gave about what everybody was doing. Maybe I shouldn't be, but it amazes me that someone who didn't go to the party and never saw LS would know as much as she claims in this article.

I presume HT is able to give so many details because she talks to people and then reports what these people told her to reporters. Basically most of what we heard from HT is hearsay, which I think is better then nothing.

 

[northsider]

It's not just JR's timeline. First she arrived in the apartment of CR and MB who are in the same building. Only after that she went to JR's. Her time of arrival at CR's and MB's is supported by video evidence since she was caught on camera while going over there.

I know, I'm not questioning the arrival time at CR/MBs - that is the last known "anchor point" of the evening. And AnalyticalE noted that we never actually have been told when she arrived at JRs house. It's simply been implied that she went two doors down and walked into his place immediately after leaving CR/MBs, and then stayed at JRs for an hour-plus. But I wonder if that's a mistake.

 

[jjenny]

I know, I'm not questioning the arrival time at CR/MBs - that is the last known "anchor point" of the evening. And AnalyticalE noted that we never actually have been told when she arrived at JRs house. It's simply been implied that she went two doors down and walked into his place immediately after leaving CR/MBs, and then stayed at JRs for an hour-plus. But I wonder if that's a mistake.

I don't believe it was ever reported when exactly she left CR/MBs and went to JRs. Presumably putting CR into bed would have taken some time.

 

[Jupiter812]

Why not tweet a LE phone number? Possible answer: Friends sticking together. If LS was safe but MIA voluntarily, she wanted to give her a heads up. Lauren would have a chance to come up with an excuse for her absence and call JW or her parents before LE became further involved.

HT could be fielding tweets since LS was not in possession of her phone. HT could also be fielding tweets to dispense the one story everyone was to adhere to.

 

[Barry]

The obvious question is whether the friends of JW attacked CR the night before because they thought she was in some sort of danger. Was the reason they fought with CR because they were concerned about drug use or something like that that could put LS at risk? or was it simply because they did not like the idea that she was alone with someone else and not her b/f. Hard to believe that they had the fight just for that. A more likely scenario is that they fought and tried to keep her because she might have been intoxicated and they were concerned about her well-being. JMO. If that was the reason for the fight, it would only make sense that her boyfriend and/or roommate would notify her parents and make a police report as early as 3 pm.

Why didn't they prevent her from going with him, or stop him from being around her? They outnumbered him, and had apparently overpowered him.

 

[jjenny]

Why didn't they prevent her from going with him, or stop him from being around her? They outnumbered him, and had apparently overpowered him.

Because legally you can not prevent an adult from going somewhere she wants to go? That would be kidnapping.

 

[Barry]

Because legally you can not prevent an adult from going somewhere she wants to go? That would be kidnapping.

Agreed, but they had already punched someone out. A lot of other laws didn't seem to bother this crowd. IMO, if they had such a strong concern for her personally, they would have kept them apart from the point that the fight happened. My own opinion is that beating him up was for a different reason, such as someones jealousy, or something on that order.

 

[Jupiter812]

I just looked at a map to refamiliarize myself with the route from 5 North to JW's. It's been tossed around that it's only a few blocks or 3 blocks, etc. but it's actually 6 blocks, approx. one-half mile.

If LS called for a ride to Smallwood why wouldn't she do the same to go to JW's? It's much farther.

 

[jjenny]

I just looked at a map to refamiliarize myself with the route from 5 North to JW's. It's been tossed around that it's only a few blocks or 3 blocks, etc. but it's actually 6 blocks, approx. one-half mile.

If LS called for a ride to Smallwood why wouldn't she do the same to go to JW's? It's much farther.

Why would she call for ride to Smallwood? It's a very short distance, she just walked there on her own two feet.

 

[jjenny]

It is my impression, by the way, that JR is not very intelligent.

Since I never met him, it's difficult to evaluate his level of intelligence. But he certainly is intelligent enough to get a very good defense lawyer and not talk to the press.

 

[British]

Agreed, but they had already punched someone out. A lot of other laws didn't seem to bother this crowd. IMO, if they had such a strong concern for her personally, they would have kept them apart from the point that the fight happened. My own opinion is that beating him up was for a different reason, such as someones jealousy, or something on that order.

I disagree. Jealously would have been the case if her b/f beat him, but it was not him, it was his fraternity friends. Again, the descriptions I read is that her friends said that he was being "inappropriate" or something like that and that she was intoxicated. I am not surprised that a group of her friends would try to convince her to stay and not continue the evening with that acquaintance, as she was intoxicated. Also, the fact remains that if had she returned to her apartment that night after the altercation, she would almost certainly not be missing today. I find it particularly troubling that the POI who was with her in that incident claims "memory loss". It would be interesting to now the results of the lie detector test if that POI took one.

 

[Jupiter812]

Since I never met him, it's difficult to evaluate his level of intelligence. But he certainly is intelligent enough to get a very good defense lawyer and not talk to the press.

I wouldn't give JR credit for that move. He lives in a household with a patent attorney, likely a parent is responsible for that call and the lawyer is responsible for those instructions about the press.

 

[Barry]

I disagree. Jealously would have been the case if her b/f beat him, but it was not him, it was his fraternity friends. Again, the descriptions I read is that her friends said that he was being "inappropriate" or something like that and that she was intoxicated. I am not surprised that a group of her friends would try to convince her to stay and not continue the evening with that acquaintance, as she was intoxicated. Also, the fact remains that if had she returned to her apartment that night after the altercation, she would almost certainly not be missing today. I find it particularly troubling that the POI who was with her in that incident claims "memory loss". It would be interesting to now the results of the lie detector test if that POI took one.

BBM.

I guess the reason I don't find CR particularly troubling, memory loss or not, is that from JRs own mouth, she was still with us later, and that he was the last one to see her. Sure, CR wasn't the most savory character in the world. But if you go by JRs own words, it wasn't CR or CRs crowd she was with last, it was JR, with or without his crowd.

 

[jjenny]

I wouldn't give JR credit for that move. He lives in a household with a patent attorney, likely a parent is responsible for that call and the lawyer is responsible for those instructions about the press.

Then he is intelligent enough to follow directions from his parents and lawyer.
Frankly we know so little about him I don't understand where the impression of him possibly not being particularly intelligent is coming from.

 

[obody]

I don't believe it was ever reported when exactly she left CR/MBs and went to JRs. Presumably putting CR into bed would have taken some time.

The timeline on this article says she was at CR/MBs for approximately an hour:

http://m.examiner.com/examiner/pm_60972/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=muwwbW01