IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #12

[Gabby66]

I actually found everything his brother said absolutely BIZARRE.

I mean, he said that Jesse was devasted and was pretty sure Lauren was dead... a few days after her dissapeance?

Why wasn't he hopeful? Also, I found it bizarre that Jesse's mom was sure Lauren was on benzos and cocaine that night? A bizarre assumption for a "mother in law" to have.

Where is the link to his brother's comments? I guess I don't find this to be a bizarre assumption, if JW told his mother that he'd heard this is what LS had taken. I mean, if my son came home after this experience, telling me that LS's friends had told him that she'd taken such and such, I would want to believe him too. In other words, I don't thin it's an "assumption" but a comment based on what her son has told her. I think there's a difference.

One would think that some of these boys have talked - at least to someone. My guess is that JW and perhaps even LE and LS's parents know by now, exactly what LS was taking that night. If the boys truly have NO idea what happened to her, then they may be sharing what drugs she took (if any - I assume she did but only based on the rumors). They're probably all saying that they don't know where she got them from. If they are guilty, then you'd think they would be corroborating stories with each other, or at least CR/MB might think JR"s behavior is odd, say, if JR was guilty. It just seems like no one is really talking so that tells me that either they are ALL innocent or ALL guilty (perhaps at different levels). Therefore, I go back to thinking about JW. He wasn't reportedly with the other boys that evening so he could be one to have had the highest level of guilt w/o the need of anyone to corroborate his story. I just kinda think that if MB/CR/JR/houseguest ALL had some involvement, the story would start to get muddy.

 

[kissdegirl]

Maybe a janitor, a complex employee, or even another student?

Do you mean on the street outside the apts? There are no hallways at 5 North, but attached townhomes. So, yes I see it being possible he didn't even see her out, and she could have walked out to the sidewalk and met with someone else, anyone else at that point, or even a vehicle. It all hinges on what JR and his visiting buddy actually saw I suppose.

 

[guitarmeister]

That may well be true. It's also probably irrelevant.

We know that this girl had a heart condition. It's heavily rumored and has not been denied that she was on drugs (said by one person who I believe might know to be out of the ordinary) that mixed with that condition present a risk of death. Death by that means is therefore (much?) more likely than murder in my opinion. Combined with a disappearance, that seems to indicate that the person most knowledgeable of the death and therefore knowledge of or even involved with the disappearance is the person with whom she was last seen. This is also the person that at least allegedly has been insufficiently cooperative, even if he had at one point spoken to and been cooperative with police.

It is certainly entirely possible that JR is completely innocent. The evidence available to us, however, points in his direction.

Plus the fact that LS may have spent over an hour at his apartment prior to vanishing. I'm wondering what info JR provided to LE. It may be limited to LS showed up some time after 3 and left about 4:30 and nothing else. It jives with the CR/MB story earlier in the evening and is totally unverifiable.

Limited info from JR seems to be the case unless LE is holding back a lot of details.

 

[kissdegirl]

With regards to the hairdresser, I don't see how this excludes LS leaving JR's apt at that time. I mean, the hairdresser and the roommate were home by 4:20, but maybe LS was still in JRs apt, not leaving until 4:25 and rounding the corner around 4:30am. They would have just missed each other. What is interesting to me is that they didn't see anything at all...no cars parked out front, activity, nothing. No one moving a large duffel bag or storage container out at that time. Just, nothing?

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Do you mean on the street outside the apts? There are no hallways at 5 North, but attached townhomes. So, yes I see it being possible he didn't even see her out, and she could have walked out to the sidewalk and met with someone else, anyone else at that point, or even a vehicle. It all hinges on what JR and his visiting buddy actually saw I suppose.

Yes, on that street. Or even INSIDE the apt complex. Someone lured her into another apt, who knows.

I think JR's silence might be related to this last sighting. I think he probably said he saw her walking at 4:30am on the heat of the moment, to seem like a better friend. Maybe he thought this case would be resolved soon and Lauren would be found. Heck, he's close with Jesse, maybe he was scared of the repression he'd get from his close buddy for not caring for his girlfriend enough.

This could explain why he has been so quiet. Maybe his lawyer told him he can't go back and say he was lying because he will look more guilty.

I kind of feel like that 4:30am sighting is false. Not necessarily because Jay is guilty, but because he had no idea of the amplitude of this crime at the time. Maybe he didn't want to come out as the guy who let his tiny girl friend leave without even looking to see if she was ok.

 

[mamamia54]

Who is the HAIRDRESSER. DO we have initials?

Kelly Wold, a 20-year-old employee of the Les Champs Elysees spa and salon, was walking alone in a striped sundress on 11th Street at 3:45 a.m. She was on her way home after a night drinking with friends. She walked right past 5 North Townhomes -- by Rossman's place, by Rosenbaum's. She didn't see Spierer. But she probably passed within 10 feet of where Spierer was last seen with friends. Wold's own roommate came in by herself at 4:20.
http://tinyurl.com/3op9fba

 

[Walker]

That may well be true. It's also probably irrelevant.

We know that this girl had a heart condition. It's heavily rumored and has not been denied that she was on drugs (said by one person who I believe might know to be out of the ordinary) that mixed with that condition present a risk of death. Death by that means is therefore (much?) more likely than murder in my opinion. Combined with a disappearance, that seems to indicate that the person most knowledgeable of the death and therefore knowledge of or even involved with the disappearance is the person with whom she was last seen. This is also the person that at least allegedly has been insufficiently cooperative, even if he had at one point spoken to and been cooperative with police.

It is certainly entirely possible that JR is completely innocent. The evidence available to us, however, points in his direction.

Seems to me that a young woman with heart condition would be scared of taking hard drugs. LS had probably been carefully warned by her physician about the danger of mixing medications.

Seeing the young men get into a fight over her behavior may also have been frightening.

Maybe JR never told the LE the story about LS leaving his place at 4:15 am, but only told HT (because this story presents his own behavior in a better light), who then told the media.

Suppose he were stone drunk, and woke up only to find LS gone?

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Suppose he were stone drunk, and woke up only to find LS gone?

I think this is what happened. He could care LESS if Lauren got home safe because he was completely out of it. Woke up, his good friend's girlfriend is gone and he feels guilty... lies to everyone and gets caught up on his own lie.

 

[Gabby66]

Seems to me that a young woman with heart condition would be scared of taking hard drugs. LS had probably been carefully warned by her physician about the danger of mixing medications.

Seeing the young men get into a fight over her behavior may also have been frightening.

Maybe JR never told the LE the story about LS leaving his place at 4:15 am, but only told HT (because this story presents his own behavior in a better light), who then told the media.

Suppose he were stone drunk, and woke up only to find LS gone?

The only problem with this is that the police have included the 4:30 watch within their timeline. I don't think they'd include it based only on heresay (HT). It kinda makes me think they spoke with JR and got it from him directly. If not however, it's a very good point.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Maybe another reason JR is SO quiet is because he completely screwed the Police's timeline by telling his white lie about seeing Lauren walk out...

 

[cluciano63]

I guess I must have read something different that the "brother" supposedly posted...and also a friend of JW's...I didn't see anything about JW's mother or JW thinking she was dead...

 

[mamamia54]

Maybe another reason JR is SO quiet is because he completely screwed the Police's timeline by telling his white lie about seeing Lauren walk out...

I've wondered why LE seemed to keep that timeline ending at 4:30am. Can it be only on the word of the last person who saw her, or could it because someone else also saw LS leave at that time, or around that time. Makes me nervous actually.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe another reason JR is SO quiet is because he completely screwed the Police's timeline by telling his white lie about seeing Lauren walk out...

That's possible...maybe at first he didn't mean he literally "saw" her go out and up the street but at some point his story morphed into "yes, I did see her" and then it was too late to back down once again...

 

[mtnmom3]

Who is the HAIRDRESSER. DO we have initials?

KW

Sorry for not using them. They're new to me.

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...pierer?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

 

[mtnmom3]

I've wondered why LE seemed to keep that timeline ending at 4:30am. Can it be only on the word of the last person who saw her, or could it because someone else also saw LS leave at that time, or around that time. Makes me nervous actually.

Perhaps the 4:15am call is keeping him bound to the 4:30am timeline?

 

[Jupiter812]

I have another theory... what if Rosembaum did NOT watch Lauren walking like he initially said, but lied to look like a "better" friend... what if Lauren met with a "stranger" INSIDE the complex??? This happened with Jonathan Foster.

I can accept this without reservation given that 5 North has a reputation as a party/drug scene.

 

[AbbeyR]

So, you don't find it strange that JW after talking to HT about what happened the night before, including the fight inside Smallwood then LS walking JR home, that he would immediately think that LS was missing, without at least driving or walking over to JR's apartment before assuming this?

Do we know if he tried to contact CR or JR? It seems likely that at least HT had spoken to JR by this point and knew that she was not there. Based on what I have read, I think it's safe to assume that by the time JW reported her missing he knew:

* that she had left her cell phone and shoes at the bar the night before
* that she was severely intoxicated (accounts from various people, including JW's friends, have described her as being "really messed up", "in a stupor," "frothing at the mouth", "a walking time bomb")
* that Lauren was last seen wandering off, after the altercation at smallwood, with a man that his friends had described as acting aggressively/ inappropriately
*that no one could account for her whereabouts a few hours later

As someone noted earlier, he may have also had information from her cell phone that indicated some kind of trouble... but in my opinion, all of the evidence (her trail of missing belongings), witness accounts and rumors all point in the same direction and suggest that she was in trouble from at least 2am onwards.

On the basis that JW had this knowledge (and possibly more), I don't think that reporting her missing Friday afternoon would have been at all premature or suspicious.

 

[Walker]

LS lost her cell & shoes at the bar;
her car keys on the way to CR's apartment;
but what about her pocketbook?

 

[mtnmom3]

With regards to the hairdresser, I don't see how this excludes LS leaving JR's apt at that time. I mean, the hairdresser and the roommate were home by 4:20, but maybe LS was still in JRs apt, not leaving until 4:25 and rounding the corner around 4:30am. They would have just missed each other. What is interesting to me is that they didn't see anything at all...no cars parked out front, activity, nothing. No one moving a large duffel bag or storage container out at that time. Just, nothing?

I didn't even think about the cars that they may have potentially passed.....

But, to respectfully disagree. IMO it is unlikely that LS was such a determined walker that she left the door at 4:25 and rounded the corner by 4:30. This is the same girl that left her stuff at a bar. Went to her apartment building, but never made it in her actual apartment. Dropped her keys in a alley. Has been walking around without shoes on for hours....bouncing from place to place.......and all of a sudden she is quick and calculated with her movement? Not buying it...

 

[Jupiter812]

Seems to me that a young woman with heart condition would be scared of taking hard drugs. LS had probably been carefully warned by her physician about the danger of mixing medications.

Seeing the young men get into a fight over her behavior may also have been frightening.

Maybe JR never told the LE the story about LS leaving his place at 4:15 am, but only told HT (because this story presents his own behavior in a better light), who then told the media.

Suppose he were stone drunk, and woke up only to find LS gone?

Definitely. But I would add that it's entirely possible he may have woken up with a faint recollection of "what happened last night."