northsider
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I had some lingering questions about the disappearance scene tonight, so after dinner as I walked back to my car, I figured I'd check things out for myself. I started around 11:45 and walked up Walnut to 11th, then walked down 11th to Morton en route to my car. Some things I noticed:
- If the bar manager (who supposedly works at Jake's, near 8th and Walnut) really saw this "mystery man" encounter at 3:38, she had to have walked at least 20-30 feet down 10th street before she really saw anything, because on the south corner of 10th and Walnut, there's a big light pole blocking the view of the corner of 10th and College that's under the marquee. However, if she did, she would've seen things pretty clearly, because it's a well-lit area during nighttime
- The area on the west side of College between 11th and 10th is pretty well lit. It's not nearly as dark as I remembered it being
- Several of the 5 North apartments had lights on, so there's obviously people still living there. The very west corner apartment had lights on. Ironically, there was a big pile of dog crap right in front of the door to JR's unit...I thought that was interesting.
- It IS possible to stand in front of JR's door and clearly see the corner of 11th and College. I had my doubts before due to the light in the pictures online, but it's much brighter in person than it is in the pictures.
- That said, there's no way he looked through the window and saw the corner. The windows are set too flush to the building facade to provide that sort of view. You can't even see the glass of the windows until you pass the alley heading west
- I wondered why LS and (allegedly) CR took the alley heading up to the apartments, but I get it now --- the sidewalk on the east side of Morton between 11th and 10th is in terrible shape. And there are rabbits everywhere. I must've seen 10 or 12 of them running around in the grass while I was walking down
- The "railing" they found the keys/purse on is weird...it's almost like a service door on the back side of 10th & College village. I know the stuff was put there by whoever found it, but it's still odd
- The area between 5 North and 10th & College Village is very dark. Hardly any light at all, particularly in the parking area, and no light in the continuation of the alley that runs between 5 North and the house to the west of it
So the end result of all of that was...I'm still not sure. If you believe JRs account, then it is possible that he saw her round the corner and head south on College. Although I'm almost certain the original account was that he watched her through the window, which I don't buy because his windows wouldn't have seen that far. And then we're to believe that she was picked up on a fairly well-lit section of College Avenue, which I also don't buy.
If you don't believe the story, then there's an unlit area in the alley next to 5 North, and an unlit area behind 5 North.
Something for everyone, right?
ALSO - whoever mentioned a few pages back about LS possibly dropping her keys on the WAY to Kilroy's made a great point. I wonder if there is video of LS heading up to 5 North the first time (circa 12:45) and then back down to Kilroy's an hour or so later?
One last thought regarding the Smallwood altercation. The assumption (based on CR's lawyer's comments) is that JW's "friends" attacked CR because he was being touchy-feely with LS. Yet Berk13 did a nice job of showing that there doesn't appear to be much of a "friend" connection between JW and this group.
So think about this - we've been told the Indy 500 crew included not just LS, HT, CR, DR...but also someone else who's been discussed in this thread. What if the altercation occurred because that person had an interest in LS, and had spent the Indy 500 with her, only to see her hanging out with this other guy (CR) four days later? Do you get where I'm coming from?
Just an idea. I'd put initials in but I wanted to save the mods from having to do extra snipping.
- If the bar manager (who supposedly works at Jake's, near 8th and Walnut) really saw this "mystery man" encounter at 3:38, she had to have walked at least 20-30 feet down 10th street before she really saw anything, because on the south corner of 10th and Walnut, there's a big light pole blocking the view of the corner of 10th and College that's under the marquee. However, if she did, she would've seen things pretty clearly, because it's a well-lit area during nighttime
- The area on the west side of College between 11th and 10th is pretty well lit. It's not nearly as dark as I remembered it being
- Several of the 5 North apartments had lights on, so there's obviously people still living there. The very west corner apartment had lights on. Ironically, there was a big pile of dog crap right in front of the door to JR's unit...I thought that was interesting.
- It IS possible to stand in front of JR's door and clearly see the corner of 11th and College. I had my doubts before due to the light in the pictures online, but it's much brighter in person than it is in the pictures.
- That said, there's no way he looked through the window and saw the corner. The windows are set too flush to the building facade to provide that sort of view. You can't even see the glass of the windows until you pass the alley heading west
- I wondered why LS and (allegedly) CR took the alley heading up to the apartments, but I get it now --- the sidewalk on the east side of Morton between 11th and 10th is in terrible shape. And there are rabbits everywhere. I must've seen 10 or 12 of them running around in the grass while I was walking down
- The "railing" they found the keys/purse on is weird...it's almost like a service door on the back side of 10th & College village. I know the stuff was put there by whoever found it, but it's still odd
- The area between 5 North and 10th & College Village is very dark. Hardly any light at all, particularly in the parking area, and no light in the continuation of the alley that runs between 5 North and the house to the west of it
So the end result of all of that was...I'm still not sure. If you believe JRs account, then it is possible that he saw her round the corner and head south on College. Although I'm almost certain the original account was that he watched her through the window, which I don't buy because his windows wouldn't have seen that far. And then we're to believe that she was picked up on a fairly well-lit section of College Avenue, which I also don't buy.
If you don't believe the story, then there's an unlit area in the alley next to 5 North, and an unlit area behind 5 North.
Something for everyone, right?
ALSO - whoever mentioned a few pages back about LS possibly dropping her keys on the WAY to Kilroy's made a great point. I wonder if there is video of LS heading up to 5 North the first time (circa 12:45) and then back down to Kilroy's an hour or so later?
One last thought regarding the Smallwood altercation. The assumption (based on CR's lawyer's comments) is that JW's "friends" attacked CR because he was being touchy-feely with LS. Yet Berk13 did a nice job of showing that there doesn't appear to be much of a "friend" connection between JW and this group.
So think about this - we've been told the Indy 500 crew included not just LS, HT, CR, DR...but also someone else who's been discussed in this thread. What if the altercation occurred because that person had an interest in LS, and had spent the Indy 500 with her, only to see her hanging out with this other guy (CR) four days later? Do you get where I'm coming from?
Just an idea. I'd put initials in but I wanted to save the mods from having to do extra snipping.
