IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #17

[The Smurf]

According to HT, Lauren was to be staying with JW that night. Seeing that she never showed up, I don't think JW would simply go to bed. A phone call to HT would reveal who she was out with - which would make any boyfriend jealous (She was seen at Killroys with CR as well). His girlfriend is out partying with a bunch of guys, seemingly ALL guys, and not where she is supposed to be (with him) and we are supposed to believe he just "went to bed?"

good to see another member of lovely Crook county Here are my thoughts on what you wrote.

1) I can easily see why LS might have lied to HT about her intentions that night. If LS were cheating on JW, she might have just wanted to wait until he left IU to tell him. It is easier that way and he was graduating. HT might have a big mouth and LS might have wanted to keep it quiet.

2) Phone records would be pretty easy for LE to retrieve. LE could easily, and probably has already found out who JW talked to that night.

3)JW's story is the easiest to back up in many ways. He had a roomate in his apartment saying he went to sleep at 2:30. Also, if any camera or if even 1 witness saw JW outside his apartment his entire story falls apart. He would then become the most likely target and it would be easy to catch him in a web of lies. He would have had the farthest to travel to get to LS and, therefore, the most likely to see on a camera.

 

[The Smurf]

The idea some of you are throwing out that JW has not been looked at by LE is laughable, at best. The boyfriend is always the first one to be looked at in a case like this. His crime would have been a crime of passion and rage. Those are usually bloody, violent crimes. To think they havent checked JW's cell records over a month into this is absolute nonsense. If that is the case, we should close the thread now because they will never find LS.

 

[soyesterday]

But what if he killed her by accident and there wasn't a bloody scene?
What if he found out about her being w/ the other guys and they fought
and something happened that wasn't bloody or violent but maybe she even just bumped her head or got too upset (w/ her heart condition) or something and there really isn't a crime scene or any evidence to find?
What if JW was so distraught that he wasn't thinking clearly? Upset that maybe the love of his life was cheating on him and now she was clearly dead? And he picked her up and brought her somewhere?
Maybe somewhere only they know?
I dunno.....

 

[The Smurf]

You are still discounting the fact that he has a roomate who says he was in the room and would have had to travel a decent distance without being seen by anyone or any camera. Also, he would have had to find her cause he couldnt of called her.

 

[dodie20]

Excellent point and thought. That could explain everything. On the other hand it would have been too risky of a move for the POI who might have made the call.

I have started thinking that maybe the disappearance was not OD-related after all. It is hard to believe that her friends would panic to that point to dispose a body. They could have simply taken her to the ER of a hospital after they cleaned their places from drugs etc.

Although the OD theory is possible, I consider equally likely if not more likely that this was a classic rape/murder scenario under the influence of drugs. Although it is difficult to put the pieces together with the timeline of events that have been made public, maybe the police has other information that they have not disclosed that could point to a different direction.

I agree with you. When I 1st heard this story, my 1st thought was that one guy, (while the others played dumb), managed to get her alone or a group of guys took advantage of her. This is pure speculation, but I know from stories I heard while my dd was in high school, it happens. A LOT. For instance...a cheerleader went to a party, got drunk, and then had 'consensual' sex with a group of football players. The next day at school, a lot of kids were talking about the night and what she had done. She never denied it...just said that she was drunk and it wasn't her fault. There was a campaign by the cheerleader moms to get her kicked off the squad. The next year, there was the same story, but involved a different cheerleader. I'm not accusing her friends, because she could have been picked up on her walk home, but I do know there's nothing more dangerous for a girl, than a group of entitled guys egging each other on. When a certain type of guy gets together with others of that type, and alcohol or drugs are added to the mix, an intoxicated girl becomes nothing but a thing. MOO

 

[Darcyline]

Crimes of passion aren't always bloody. It is pretty easy to strange someone or smother someone or push them down and have them hit their head without a drop of blood. Also, a few locals here confirmed that Lauren could have feasibly walked to his place without being seen on camera. If Lauren could have walked there without cameras catching her why is it impossible for him to have left his place without being caught on camera?

I don't know-I don't even think JW was involved, but I really don't feel comfortable dismissing anyone entirely yet. It makes me happy that the police feel the same way though nothing seems to be coming from it

 

[soyesterday]

You are still discounting the fact that he has a roomate who says he was in the room and would have had to travel a decent distance without being seen by anyone or any camera. Also, he would have had to find her cause he couldnt of called her.

True.....unless...i missed something and she could have possibly still been alive....at home....or his house...or somewhere....and something happened later in the day. She was reported missing till the afternoon right?

 

[Barry]

One of the things that keeps me from totally discounting JW, is the fact that LE has not.

 

[The Smurf]

One of the things that keeps me from totally discounting JW, is the fact that LE has not.

The fact that LE has had over a month and can not rule out anyone makes me discount the ability of the Bloomington police Dept. The whole investigation has been pretty brutal.

 

[elmomom]

:deadhorse:

JW is a valid suspect whether your feelings allow him to be or not. LE has called him one, has searched his house more than once and has not cleared him. I know a lot of folks want to make him out to be the poor nice boyfriend, and he may be that, but for now, he is every bit of a suspect as JR.

 

[Darcyline]

One of the things that keeps me from totally discounting JW, is the fact that LE has not.

That is probably the #1 reason I had second thoughts about him too. I am sure LE has looked very closely at JW, his possible motives, his movements, his alibi, his cellphone records. If they had cleared him 100% why would they reiterate over and over again that absolutely no one has been cleared and search his place weeks after the fact? In other cases I have seen people cleared or dismissed as POIs pretty clearly and quickly. Even in this case they dismissed the truck and other possibilities pretty quickly. If JW has an iron-clad 100% alibi why wouldn't they say he isn't thought to be involved?

Of course, all this leads me to is the disaster of them not being able to rule anyone out 100% and also not being able to narrow their focus down. Unless something big breaks (someone talks or they find her) I am not sure this case will get resolution.

 

[The Smurf]

:deadhorse:

JW is a valid suspect whether your feelings allow him to be or not. LE has called him one, has searched his house more than once and has not cleared him. I know a lot of folks want to make him out to be the poor nice boyfriend, and he may be that, but for now, he is every bit of a suspect as JR.

No they havent. LE has called no one a suspect.

 

[cspring]

Because i have to use my phone for the web its hard to look at the map. I was wondering how far is zo and ab apt from jr? And is that the direction she was supposedly seen walking when she left jr?

 

[dodie20]

No they havent. LE has called no one a suspect.

I was getting a little confused and thought I had missed something, so thanks for clearing that up. There's a BIG difference between a suspect and a POI...especially in this case, where LE has multiple POIs.

 

[cspring]

http://theforceofreason.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/why-
ernie-reno-is-a-badass/
Has anybody else seen this? There are sooo many crazy rumors floating around-i really just dont know what to think about any of it anymore! Is there really a homeless person that heard her scream and is he now dead? Seems a bit far fetched to me...but scary at the same time. Ive dreamt of Lauren every night for the last 3 wks. I also have strong suspicions of zo and ab for some reason-they live RIGHT there

 

[Gabby66]

Anyway, I don't think the speculation with JW is warranted at this point because, as far as we know, the security tapes from Smallwood did not show him leaving the apartment all night. If he did leave after the game when his roommate went to sleep, he would've been caught on tape doing so.

So, either his roommate is lying and he never was in his apartment thar night, or he never left his room. From what we know, JW was never caught on camera after he said he went to sleep.

JW doesn't live in Smallwood, nor does he live in an apartment. I do not believe there are cameras near his residential area.

 

[Cuoco7]

It's difficult to tell from photos, so could someone who is local help with this?

If there was a car pulling out from the gravel lot, what are the different routes a car could take? Which streets are one way? Are there routes that completely avoid all cameras? At some point she had to be seen on some video if she was walking. Also any cars leaving the vicinity are assumed on video as well.

I'm sure this has been addressed but probably missed it.

 

[Pedrosmom]

good to see another member of lovely Crook county Here are my thoughts on what you wrote.

1) I can easily see why LS might have lied to HT about her intentions that night. If LS were cheating on JW, she might have just wanted to wait until he left IU to tell him. It is easier that way and he was graduating. HT might have a big mouth and LS might have wanted to keep it quiet.

2) Phone records would be pretty easy for LE to retrieve. LE could easily, and probably has already found out who JW talked to that night.

3)JW's story is the easiest to back up in many ways. He had a roomate in his apartment saying he went to sleep at 2:30. Also, if any camera or if even 1 witness saw JW outside his apartment his entire story falls apart. He would then become the most likely target and it would be easy to catch him in a web of lies. He would have had the farthest to travel to get to LS and, therefore, the most likely to see on a camera.

We are all entitled to our opinions thank you. The police have NOT released information to a certain subset of people, such as the video (aside from the 2:51 AM video) and phone records (that being of JW or any POI) so your guess is as good as mine. IIRC, you and I have the same info. Your guut may be on someone else and mine is on JW. That's why we have this great forum, to air our reasons and theories for such. From what I have read on JW from this and other forums, he's not a golden boy and would have motive. His girlfriend was out with a guy that his friends just beat the snot out of. Have a nice day.

 

[Gabby66]

Is there a link to MSM article where one of her friends is quoted saying
it was drugs? I have been following this case and have yet to see that.

Sorry, I do not have a link, which is why I called it "rumor". The "comments" to which I referred, included HT's comment about LS being a partier and taking it "too far" this time. I know what "partier" means to this generation.

My whole problem with the current foul play theories is that they are a house of cards, layer upon layer of speculation, assumptions and outright guesswork....

At this point, I think ALL theories are built upon these layers. I for one, do not only consider foul play. I consider most all reasonable theories because we've been shared virtually no evidence, just a sort of timeline. There are many many possibilities which could have happened within that "timeline" so yes, those are all going to built upon speculation and assumptions since we have few facts. I'm not narrowing my focus, and I agree with you that tunnel vision would significantly limit LE's ability to solve this case. I hope they're considering many possibilities. However, I also hope that they begin with the most reasonable.

Airport parking is not a theory but is only a place to look to be sure all places have been searched. It is a possibility, however unlikely it may seem.

I understand this and again, I'm not suggesting that they have tunnel vision. However, there are so many places to look. Yes, they need to search everywhere, but I really think they need to begin with a plan. For example, if the likelihood of a stranger abduction is greater than her maybe finding keys and getting into a car, then ODing, and being taken to an airport, where a guy was planning to leave his car for the ENTIRE summer, then to me it would make sense to remain more focused around Bloomington (in the woods and other places) than venturing off to Indy. That doesn't mean that I discount looking at the airport, or even at Walmart, eventually, so I think we're on the same page.

 

[Berk13]

I've been following this on Mr. Gatto's site when it was hot, but it looks like it's turning cold now.

Anyway, I don't think the speculation with JW is warranted at this point because, as far as we know, the security tapes from Smallwood did not show him leaving the apartment all night. If he did leave after the game when his roommate went to sleep, he would've been caught on tape doing so.

So, either his roommate is lying and he never was in his apartment thar night, or he never left his room. From what we know, JW was never caught on camera after he said he went to sleep.

JW does not live in Smallwood, so there's no way he would've been caught on camera unless he went there looking for Lauren (which apparently he didn't, as far as we all know). He lives in a house at 9th & Fess. Definitely no cameras there.