IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #17

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The rumor is that she was screaming loudly about how wasted she was and illegal drugs. I say rumor because I don't think LE has confirmed or even the bar and it seems sort of convenient to me that she would be shrieking out the names of all the illegal drugs she had done.
 
I'm so sad about this case. It seems like it's going to become another cold case. It breaks my heart for Lauren and the Spierers. =[

Praying for a break...
 
I'm so sad about this case. It seems like it's going to become another cold case. It breaks my heart for Lauren and the Spierers. =[

Praying for a break...



I'm right there with you. I feel awful for Lauren and her family too.

It's like the night just swallowed her up, and no one knows where to go from here.
 
Interesting theory. I'm listening.

Salzmann's "15 minutes" just so happens to coincide --to the minute--with their exiting Sports. A little too neat and tidy for me not to be suspicious but I'm willing to continue listening.

However, what source are you using for her supposed behavior? Because as far as I know Tony Gatto's source is the only one who has said this. It's not corroborated and source wouldn't talk to TG again. This same source says she was alone. So I'm of the opinion that unless you have another source it's not good to pick and choose what this source said.

Cr has probably told his attorney that he doesn't remember leaving the bar. That would be my guess.
We know LS left behind a valuable item at the bar plus her shoes ...so we might assume she's not "herself" upon leaving the bar either.

Sure she may have laid the things somewhere to play volleyball...but she still left them behind.
As to her behavior at the bar...I don't know that there has been an official word on that.

My only point is that it appears as though LS and CR were beginning to demonstrate symptoms of a bad mix at about the same time.

They made their way to Smallwood in only three minutes, so their travel time is good but their minds are slipping.
Seems like someone who was drunk from alcohol would have a bit longer travel time.

I think it was HT who said that JR was out of alcohol when LS arrived there earlier in the night.
But LS partied there for a period of time before going to the bar.

If (and this is a big IF) CR and LS partied together that night and ingested the same drug, walked the same distance, drank together thereby creating the same mix, walked some more...and one of them succumbed to the effects of it all at just after 3:00am, then it's reasonable to speculate that the other would succumb to those same affects about the same time.

Mr Salzman's statement that CR has amnesia from the punch to the face is a little more than hard to believe.

JMO
 
The rumor is that she was screaming loudly about how wasted she was and illegal drugs. I say rumor because I don't think LE has confirmed or even the bar and it seems sort of convenient to me that she would be shrieking out the names of all the illegal drugs she had done.

Here is the direct quote from TonyGatto:

A person close to the case says Spierer was in a “stupor” and that she “was pouring her heart out” about being drunk and high on Cocaine and Xanax. This same person says Spierer was at Kilroy’s Sports for at least 45 minutes alone, not with her friend Corey Rossman. News reports to this point had placed Rossman with Spierer at the bar, but sources who were at Kilroy’s Sports at that time say they never saw Rossman. This source says Spierer was ejected simply because of the state she was in.

While I wouldn't take it as fact, I don't think it sounds completely unbelievable either. If, for example, two people go to a busy bar together and each go off to the bathroom to do a line at different times, they could easily not be seen together for a chunk of time. Also, if that witness is a friend or acquaintance who is also 'partying', I could see how Lauren might confide in him/her. If we consider other accounts of her behavior shortly thereafter (getting kicked out and/or leaving without her belongings, rumors of her condition at Smallwood, etc.) it's possible that she was feeling the effects of drugs and alcohol kick in and rambling about being (too) high or feeling sick/ out of control.

Following the discussion about 'date rape' drugs: I posted a while back that the mix of xanax and alcohol is known to create blackout effects that are similar to drugs like GHB or rohypnol. While this combo is likely to be taken willingly (as opposed to slipped into a drink), a person may not know how much to take or what the effects might be.

(This is all hypothetical, of course... all of the drug info we have is based on unconfirmed rumor. Just responding to previous posts)
 
does anyone think it's weird that the PT threads were taken down? maybe someone was on to something? jmo
 
Do we know if that is JR at the end of the clip. (Black t-shirt..laughing)?

It appears as though AB's friends are having some fun embarrassing him.
They want to see him kiss the older gal and he appears reluctant.
I don't see anyone snort anything (as someone mentioned).
I see the kissing girl apply lip balm or lip stick prior to the kiss.
I do see the round black item on the table...no idea what that is.

A couple of things that grab me here:

- Ab is wearing gang related attire. The L.A. Kings cap is widely recognized in the gang world.

here is some info on gangs and their attire (scroll through for a chart):
http://gangsorus.com/gang_clothing.html

Also, whoever that is at the end laughing into the camera, looks wild eyed and way high.

Some people want to "look" like gansters, some people ARE gangsters. I couldn't make any judgments from this, but it is interesting. I am still curious if AB is a student at IU or not. LA Kings hat, how common is that at IU? Also the person who recorded this vid, made it a point to capture and focus on that hat several times... wonder what that was all about?
 
Some people want to "look" like gansters, some people ARE gangsters. I couldn't make any judgments from this, but it is interesting. I am still curious if AB is a student at IU or not. LA Kings hat, how common is that at IU? Also the person who recorded this vid, made it a point to capture and focus on that hat several times... wonder what that was all about?

My cousins bf is going to IU, my college had a directory of students in our e-mail, not sure if IU will have one, but I will ask him to take a look.
 
My cousins bf is going to IU, my college had a directory of students in our e-mail, not sure if IU will have one, but I will ask him to take a look.

Thanks. This is a great idea, but let's also remember that students at most all schools have the option of NOT being in the directory. For security reasons, many parents recommend that their kids' names and contact information not be included. I have a feel though, IF the rumors are true about some of these kids, they would WANT to be sure their contact is available.
 
does anyone think it's weird that the PT threads were taken down? maybe someone was on to something? jmo

I find the whole situation weird. Why are so many people policing the internet trying to censor any mention of the POI? If they are innocent, it is in their best interest too to keep this case alive so that the truth will come out and their names will be cleared.
 
Some people want to "look" like gansters, some people ARE gangsters. I couldn't make any judgments from this, but it is interesting. I am still curious if AB is a student at IU or not. LA Kings hat, how common is that at IU? Also the person who recorded this vid, made it a point to capture and focus on that hat several times... wonder what that was all about?

I'm not sure what the focusing on the hat was about, but it is extreeeeeeeeemely common for guys (especially with money) to buy these nice fitted hats just for the sake of having hats. My cousin is from new York and he has a huge collection hanging in his wall, all different teams and styles of the hats... From what I understand it's just a fashion statement.
 
Thanks. This is a great idea, but let's also remember that students at most all schools have the option of NOT being in the directory. For security reasons, many parents recommend that their kids' names and contact information not be included. I have a feel though, IF the rumors are true about some of these kids, they would WANT to be sure their contact is available.

for my school I don't believe anyone could opt out, it was inside our e-mail server so if we needed to e-mail someone about a group project we could if we didn't have another way to contact them. it was not public information.

I find the whole situation weird. Why are so many people policing the internet trying to censor any mention of the POI? If they are innocent, it is in their best interest too to keep this case alive so that the truth will come out and their names will be cleared.

I don't think these kids care about the truth anymore than they cared for lauren. jmo
 
Cr has probably told his attorney that he doesn't remember leaving the bar. That would be my guess.
We know LS left behind a valuable item at the bar plus her shoes ...so we might assume she's not "herself" upon leaving the bar either.

Unless she had a habit of leaving things behind. At no time have I heard/seen a statement from anyone(HT,JW... those around her the most) that it was / was not like her to leave shoes, phone, and possibly dropping her purse with keys in it. If she just dropped the purse/keys and didn't even realize it (rather than her being grabbed, lifted, falling, etc...) she was becoming completely incapacitated.

Sure she may have laid the things somewhere to play volleyball...but she still left them behind.
As to her behavior at the bar...I don't know that there has been an official word on that.

I think this is important because if she was only at Sports for 40 minutes and was able to play, how much time was spent drinking? Sure you can put a few shots down fast... but is that typical of people playing volleyball? Maybe more like after playing, right? But then the alcohol wouldn't even have had time to metabolize by the time they were in the Alley if that were the case, not to the point of forgetting things and dropping things.

I also think it's important if the shoes and phone were together vs. separate.

It occurred to me yesterday (just posting about it now) after reading a post that I don't know what floor LS/HT's apartment was on, and what floor DR's apartment was on. The altercation was recorded on the 5th Fl. So... I'm thinking perhaps LS/CR went to LS's apt looking for her phone - already so out of it that she didn't realize it was left back at the bar. There she is also not wearing shoes, well into her building and doesn't put another pair on? On the other hand, if they were on DR's floor then why were they there to see him? {hey DR are you feeling like we are?}

My only point is that it appears as though LS and CR were beginning to demonstrate symptoms of a bad mix at about the same time.

They made their way to Smallwood in only three minutes, so their travel time is good but their minds are slipping.
Seems like someone who was drunk from alcohol would have a bit longer travel time.

It is a possibility that should be explored. I never got the feeling that they could have been very drunk, the situation seems to point to something more.

I think it was HT who said that JR was out of alcohol when LS arrived there earlier in the night.
But LS partied there for a period of time before going to the bar.

How did HT know JR was out of alcohol? I've not seen a timeline of her whereabouts that night... curious how she would know this.

If (and this is a big IF) CR and LS partied together that night and ingested the same drug, walked the same distance, drank together thereby creating the same mix, walked some more...and one of them succumbed to the effects of it all at just after 3:00am, then it's reasonable to speculate that the other would succumb to those same affects about the same time.

On the one hand I'd guess that CR is about 160 to 175 lbs. LS is only 100.
On the other hand, she might not have ingested as much assuming the same big IF so I would tend to agree that they would be going down about the same time. This also makes MB's account inconsistent with what we would expect to be happening. How could CR be soooo much more messed up than LS in that 40 minute visit to Sports? And both of them even sooo messed up before they even left Sports. Yet MB says LS is not wanting to hang and wants to "go party"? That seems out of place with the sequence. Again, if their drinking was mostly (or all) done at Sports their blood alcohol level should only be so high in that short interval. Sports should have some idea what they were drinking and how much... if their purchases were put on bankcards, that would be narrowed a lot more.
I'll bet that it wasn't very much, not enough to explain CR crashing, and LS losing everything except her clothes.

Mr Salzman's statement that CR has amnesia from the punch to the face is a little more than hard to believe.

JMO

Agreed. He may have Amnesia, but no way can I believe it came from 2 punches or so that landed on his face. Perhaps a medical person can comment? I've seen people with really serious blows from accidents, falls etc.. many times worse CR's injury who had clear memories, or some that had "temporary" amnesia and the events came back to them. I don't think having a total clean sweep of memory is all that common for what appears to be minor injuries. So far I thought he was faking (which is also possible), but seems there could be something to this idea of "GHB, Roofies" or maybe a xanax blend. (perhaps someone with better knowledge of the comparative symptoms of at least these 3, if mentioning the "H" word is not allowed would make one more likely?)

In this scenario most of the same things could have happened to LS as has been theorized; accident, rape, abduction, or drug interactions/OD, etc
But it's a lot different thinking of LS as barely able to stand at 3:00 with her mind going blank vs. her wanting to "party" So, again I come to this pivotal statement of MB's that does seem inconsistent with the sequence and what was happening to CR. And also again... who exactly was there in CR/MB's at 3:00am? I do recall it being attributed to JR (that's when LS was supposedly leaving his place) that he said if she could walk she could leave. If at least that part were true, what would he have observed to cause him to say that?
 
AbbeyR-I agree that it isn't unbelievable, but I am having trouble stating anything as fact without some sort of fact backing it up-typically, LE confirmation or mentioning of it. My long time ago vague experiences with Criminology made me wary of believing any "sources" witnesses or even flat-out confessions since they can be made up for weird reasons or just mistaken so very often. It is why I have trouble immediately accepting the 338 sighting as hardcore confirmed fact even though I am probably the last one left on here that has any doubt about it, ha ha.


PT as a POI? I don't even know that abbreviation.
 
CR definitely didn't get punched in the face and get amnesia from it in my opinion. I think it is much, much more likely it was just alcohol+Xanax or whatever else he may have been doing. Maybe even just alcohol. I KNOW alcohol or alcohol+drugs can cause "amnesia" from personal experience :p Of course his lawyers aren't going to release statements about how drunk and wasted he was to the public.

It is an intriguing idea that they may have been drugged. I wonder if they drug tested CR at all (I am assuming not even if he did give DNA).​
 
AbbeyR-I agree that it isn't unbelievable, but I am having trouble stating anything as fact without some sort of fact backing it up-typically, LE confirmation or mentioning of it. My long time ago vague experiences with Criminology made me wary of believing any "sources" witnesses or even flat-out confessions since they can be made up for weird reasons or just mistaken so very often. It is why I have trouble immediately accepting the 338 sighting as hardcore confirmed fact even though I am probably the last one left on here that has any doubt about it, ha ha.


PT as a POI? I don't even know that abbreviation.

bbm, phantasy tour, another website that was talking about her, but now all the threads are deleted.
 
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