IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #18

[PlainJaneDoe]

I wondered about AB as well. Also, AA. AA was out that night in the vicinity as well (found the keys). Either way it was dark but a face is a face and you remember a face if it is shown to you. Perhaps this person is outside of this group, or inside and LE is not giving that out. How he managed to dodge cameras with a girl slung over his shoulder puzzles me. I'm not saying I buy this account but let's assume it's true, at least the witness says so. His lack of being on video makes me think she was quickly transferred to a car. I don't think the white pick up was the only car that LE was looking for. I think they were looking for any cars, driven by POIs or friends of POIs on the streets that night or in the wee hours of the morning.

BBM: Not necessarily. The page I link to summarizes conditions under which eyewitness ID can be most reliable.

Here is an excellent article by Elisabeth Loftus, the reigning queen of eyewitness memory research. It's brief, & Dr Loftus is a very good writer - last summer I read 2 books by her on this topic in 2 nights. I could not put them down! (Scroll down to "Articles," then select ""Our changeable memories: legal and practical implications.") (I don't know how to attach a PDF.)

I thought that some posters might find these resources interesting in light of the "mystery sighting" discussion.

 

[Jupiter812]

I also thought they were referring to LS and for some reason I thought the post was kind of creepy...wanted to see what other people thought.

I found the post, it is in a comment on the post on TG's site under the story 'Missing student's friends continue to stonewall', posted by a commenter named Jenny (not me) and the actual post was “she is as pure as New York snow”. I guess it's also in the lyrics to a song and in that way, could be totally not related to anything. still, it seems weird to me.

I hope I haven't said anything I wasn't supposed to...forgot about this until I read Northsider's recent post.

No problemo. I'm glad you brought it up. If it's true, it's very telling of ZO's attitude! We know that AB made stupid and uncaring comment about so-and-so looking for LS with a flashlight and adderall. ZO and AB are quite a team.

Oh, and I can no longer find on Tony Gatto's site the page about AB's comment "Is this supposed to be funny?" Many of you know what I'm referring to. Whazup with that?

 

[imkeylime]

I'm put in mind of what LS's parents said about their musical discussion on road trips.

It's scary, actually. I remember "Betty Davis Eyes." The reference is totally different, making me think more of a woman than coke. Like Van Morrison's "Tupelo Honey": "She's as sweet as tupelo honey / She's an angel of the first degree." (Which would be scarier.)

 

[Chris007]

anyone else see this on TG's blog? In the comments awhile back (I can't remember which post it was on or who commented or anything, sorry!) someone posted that one of the possible POIs we've been talking about, who might also be a DD, might have been involved in the altercation w/ CR and is from Indy had a fb status from June 3 that said 'pure as NY snow'

A reference to cocaine, no doubt. Even if it is on fb, could be a quote from a movie/music? and could be completely meaningless, it still struck me as a little bit odd anyway since that was the day LS went missing, she's from NY, she may/may not be connected to this guy, was partying in the vicinity of where this guy lives and now there are all these rumors that he may have been involved in her disappearance. It just makes me feel strange considering that he would post something like that at that specific time. Again, could be meaningless...but...

Yes I noticed that when his first name came out at the puncher. Seemed weird then. He then changed it to private so you couldn't view it any longer. But that quote has always struck me as odd also.

 

[bx2]

"Where it has been reported" says to me they looked at video from 10th and College because that is "where" the witness claims to have seen Lauren.

There are cameras on Salzmann's office. Btown said he doesn't believe they pick up the sidewalk or the street, but the truth is, he doesn't know for sure. The view is unobscured, so if the cameras have a wide field of view, it's possible they can capture a good portion of that corner.

Thanks. I also think this is important because if they have video of the corner of 10th and College (I'll maintain this is a big if), then it would seem they should be able to conclude that she did not pass through that same intersection again after 4:30.

 

[Jupiter812]

It wasn't said in reference to LS that we know of, that is speculation because of the timing. Many were speculating that it may have referred to a new delivery of coke received at the time.

I question why he would post it on June 3 but he could have posted it after midnight. Who knows, maybe LS even saw it while she was still coherent and his place was where she was headed after Smallwood. To get the new snow.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Thanks. I also think this is important because if they have video of the corner of 10th and College (I'll maintain this is a big if), then it would seem they should be able to conclude that she did not pass through that same intersection again after 4:30.

Wasn't there a problem with the timing of one or more of the cameras before in this case? Could that be a factor in any of the dispute over this account?

 

[elmomom]

No problemo. I'm glad you brought it up. If it's true, it's very telling of ZO's attitude! We know that AB made stupid and uncaring comment about so-and-so looking for LS with a flashlight and adderall. ZO and AB are quite a team.

Oh, and I can no longer find on Tony Gatto's site the page about AB's comment "Is this supposed to be funny?" Many of you know what I'm referring to. Whazup with that?

well, this is the page with the infamous Tweet, not sure if this is the one you are referring to though.
http://tonygatto.wordpress.com/2011...end-at-smallwood-identified-as-zachary-oakes/

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

From that TonyGatto link - "Last year he was ordered to serve 20 days in jail for a probation violation."

THAT is very interesting. I wonder who he might have met in jail?

 

[imkeylime]

It wasn't said in reference to LS that we know of, that is speculation because of the timing. Many were speculating that it may have referred to a new delivery of coke received at the time.

I can't stop thinking about this ... it's so cryptic. It seems like it could be a double entrendre, perhaps a reference to coke that was cut with something and thus not pure at all, given that NY snow isn't all that pure? Or a warning that there'd been problems with a shipment ... what if it was bad coke that someone OD'd from, hence the "she"?

 

[elmorejames]

I saw that on PT some time ago. I thought the poster was referring to LS.

That is a lyric from a famous song, "Bette Davis Eyes" Won a grammy in 1982 for the best song of the year. Also was the theme song for the movie, Mistaken Identity.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB1JdXFktsQ"]‪Kim Carnes - Bette Davis Eyes (Lyrics)‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

I think we can assume ZO is not going to incriminate himself in a murder, so the line was likely posted before he discovered LS's disappearance. The time at which it was posted would therefore seem to be key. However, the fact that he did not remove the post or make the page private until outsiders started looking at it at least several days later seems to me to suggest that it does not reflect a guilty mind.

 

[bessie]

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[elmomom]

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Wow Bessie - your post was so informative that we had to stop talking just to understand it all :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Hopefully you'll let us know what you were intending to say:seeya:

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

More on the landfill search question.

http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-laur...nts-possible-remains-20110719,0,7245432.story

 

[imkeylime]

I think we can assume ZO is not going to incriminate himself in a murder, so the line was likely posted before he discovered LS's disappearance. The time at which it was posted would therefore seem to be key.

You'd certainly think so. It's just such an odd little quote. I get not incriminating himself in a murder, but he's ok implicating himself as a possible DD? Maybe he likes to play with fire? Or maybe it's not related to that at all?

 

[Darcyline]

It is possibly a cocaine reference and possibly a code word, but we don't know for what. I really doubt he is referring to Lauren at all. It could be a drug reference, but I also doubt it means a bad shipment or something. It could just mean I have coke, I want coke, I am doing coke, coke is fun ha ha, etc. It doesn't necessarily mean he is dealing or saw someone OD-it could just mean that he is a silly young person who is probably too liberal on social networking sites and experiments with drugs sometimes.

 

[bessie]

Wow Bessie - your post was so informative that we had to stop talking just to understand it all :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Hopefully you'll let us know what you were intending to say:seeya:

Which part did you not understand? :nyah:

My writing is known to be obscure at times, but that's just ridiculous. :nuclear:

That's what I get for tapping and talking in the middle of a manicure. :loser:

 

[elmomom]

Which part did you not understand? :nyah:

My writing is known to be obscure at times, but that's just ridiculous. :nuclear:

That's what I get for tapping and talking in the middle of a manicure. :loser:

Hey did you see - I'm almost famous, I got my own call out on PT today

So, what DID you want to say? I'm jealous on the manicure cos I bite mine :blushing::blushing:

 

[imkeylime]

It is possibly a cocaine reference and possibly a code word, but we don't know for what. I really doubt he is referring to Lauren at all. It could be a drug reference, but I also doubt it means a bad shipment or something. It could just mean I have coke, I want coke, I am doing coke, coke is fun ha ha, etc.

True. I always read too much into things ... think too much. He obviously wouldn't want to broadcast something like that, and I suppose he's not into subliminal messaging or whatever it's called. It's creepy, though. Maybe it has to do with wanting a lot of coke or something, since I believe NY had a lot of actual snow last year!