IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #18

[Frogzilla]

People speculate about my identity all the time and they're always right.

:denied:
Haha that's funny

 

[Carmen101]

This seems to be skirting the edge of even rumor. Huge partier, okay, there's been slight elusion to that. Often cheating on her boyfriend though?? What little we've heard from her friends has flown directly in the face of that claim.

I certainly don't want to disparage LS, but this is what is being said in Bloomington.

 

[mamamia54]

I was thinking about the heat making decomp worse too yes mama u r right. WHY havent they? WHY WHY WHY!!!!

Lack of money and lack of cadaver dog teams.

 

[Carmen101]

Have heard from a reliable source that the trash pick up in Bloomington starts between 4 and 4:30 a.m.

 

[butterfly19]

Who thinks there is no reason to search the landfills?

also what is the "way" you refer to regarding getting the word out? How was the word gotten out? tia

Sorry Bessie--this was only my 2nd post. I'm going to answer by saying They=The BPD. The rest of my response that was deleted, I am not allowed to post. Is that alright to say Bessie? Sorry again

 

[Inspector Gidget]

Maybe I missed this or the post was deleted BUT

Where did this rumor come from that there was a ping from Martinsville on a POI's phone?

There weren't any volunteer searches up that way, were there? That would provide evidence against this possibility, imo.

The rumor came from here:
http://phantasytour.com/bands/1/topics/2766073/posts

click on page 9

 

[cspring]

Lack of money and lack of cadaver dog teams.

I Dont think there is a lack of $ anywhere in this story.....i mean really-i Dont see those things being all that difficult to get.

 

[mamamia54]

I Dont think there is a lack of $ anywhere in this story.....i mean really-i Dont see those things being all that difficult to get.

Ooook

 

[bx2]

I certainly don't want to disparage LS, but this is what is being said in Bloomington.

That's fine, but I don't think it's fair to associate what you wrote with the city at large. I can vouch for never hearing it from a single person here.

 

[Carmen101]

That's fine, but I don't think it's fair to associate what you wrote with the city at large. I can vouch for never hearing it from a single person here.

I understand, but I have heard it from a Bloomington resident who has college-age kids.

 

[cspring]

I Dont buy for a single second that lack of money and cadaver dogs is the reason for not searching the landfills.

 

[cluciano63]

Even if Lauren was fooling around on JW, or was in the process of breaking off with him...unless he was involved in whatever happened to her, I can't see a way that it would be relevant. Now the drug part, if true, could be very relevant.

Also, I get the feeling that Lauren's parents would not let expense stand in the way of any searching that they felt should be done, JMO...

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

As i said, the memory loss could be an addition concocted by CR lawyer, so if he did take a polygraph, you couldn't be sure of deception when somebody is responding to questions of events that they are assumed to not be fully aware of, or have fragmented memories of.

Yes on the polygraph, and yes in theory it could be “concocted by CR lawyer.” But if CR ingested Xanax, the memory loss is real. Timing of the memory loss can be in question depending on when he ingested the drug & how much, but the fact that Xanax impairs memory is not.

TA that lawyers probably have something to do with this "memory loss" situation. I'm sure that's why the "main suspect" left campus the next day> DADDY made him leave, per atty. advice. It does look suspicious, but it's also smart. Look at the Duke lacrosse team rape fiasco. Those kids parents hired attys, pronto, and finally they were acquitted. The boy's parents in this case knew that if he stayed on campus, he would say something, and even if that something were perfectly innocent/truthful, words are often misconstrued. He was removed to ensure that he kept his mouth shut, imo.

(BBM) You are right about this. I posted earlier that when I’d taken Xanax and suffered memory impairment, I could remember specific things that I was reminded of afterwards, but not the context. I believe that those are true memories, because they sound reasonable (meaning the behavior attributed to me and others was characteristic) and because I don’t think that my husband (who did the reminding) had motivation to lie to me. But what if someone suggested, via the phrasing of a question, that something had happened when it actually didn’t – and a false memory is implanted? What if CR, not remembering the event and not necessarily forming a false memory of it, said something like, “Sure, that could’ve happened” – and it’s misinterpreted as “Yes, this happened”?

Can one have both types of amnesia at once?

Yep, not at all mutually exclusive. Retrieving existing memories and forming new ones are 2 separate neural processes. Xanax ingestion is associated with anterograde amnesia.

Honestly, I don't think the punch has anything to do with not remembering. I've blacked out lots of times with no memory on alcohol without getting beat up, and when you throw in the Xanax on top of it, it's no shock he doesn't remember anything. He probably doesn't even remember getting into the fight or if he does, it's a blur.

(BBM) “Thanks” is not enough for this! Yes, there are scenarios in which one can have memory loss and a concussion without significant visible injury, but without knowing the force and the angle of whatever punches CR took, we can't say whether they apply here. We can dispute if, when, and how much Xanax CR ingested, but there is no reason to doubt that Xanax would've caused anterograde amnesia.

 

[mamamia54]

I Dont buy for a single second that lack of money and cadaver dogs is the reason for not searching the landfills.

Your opinion is duly noted. I'm not here to argue.

 

[imkeylime]

Just my take on this, but I always assumed the date was meant to be June 4th and the "next morning" part was misconstrued since she technically went missing on June 3rd. Wouldn't be that out of the question for CR to be asking around on Saturday.

This would solve a problem for me. I more or less believe CR's memory loss but think it's more from alcohol/xanax alone or accelerated by a punch. I imagine LS in a similar condition, minus the punch. But I've wondered why he's out the next morning at all, unless he had class or something. So the morning of Sat.. 6-4 vs. Fri. 6-3 makes sense. Otherwise, CR looks a lot like JW.

As for JW, I wonder if he looked for LS early because he suspected/knew she'd been off to make a purchase. Speculation here, but if they were going to get together later, maybe she was going to bring something. Maybe when he didn't hear from her, he was either 1) ticked off or 2) thought that was unlike her and 3) hence tried to track her down.

OTOH, I don't why he wouldn't try to score the something himself instead of ask her to ... unless he truly wanted to watch the game.

 

[Frogzilla]

Here is a different account of the happenings in smallwood that fateful night.

Lauren Spierer appeared 'in no condition' to help friend get home, source says
http://www.jconline.com/article/201...ource-says?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAG

"As for this idea that she was Florence Nightingale and taking him back because she was concerned, she wasn't in any condition to take care of herself, let alone another human being," said the source, one of scores of people who have seen the evidence but who was only willing to comment anonymously. "She couldn't even stand up on her own. I have difficulty with this individual (Rossman) saying he can't remember anything when he's the guy who picked her up and took her out of the building."
"She comes stumbling out of the elevator, trips several times toward the corner of the lobby, where she comes to rest in the corner of the lobby, falls to her knees and leans against the wall for support until a male companion comes to her aid, gathers her under his arm and escorts out of the front of the building," the source said. "That whole sequence lasts less than 60 seconds."

 

[Walker]

http://www.lohud.com/article/20110721/NEWS02/107210420/Source-says-Lauren-Spierer-appeared-no-condition-help-friend-get-home?odyssey=tab|topnews|t

"As for this idea that she was Florence Nightingale and taking him back because she was concerned, she wasn't in any condition to take care of herself,
let alone another human being," said the source, one of scores of people who have seen the evidence but who was only willing to comment anonymously.
"She couldn't even stand up on her own. I have difficulty with this individual (Rossman) saying he can't remember anything when he's the guy who picked
her up and took her out of the building."

Does this sarcastic strawman argument from an anonymous source constitute "news"?

 

[Darcyline]

I don't know if I believe that exact account, but I don't really think she walked CR home just because she was worried about him and wanted to tuck him in as has been reported pretty commonly.

 

[Cuoco7]

Has anyone local heard what the parents are currently doing? Are they still out in the local media? Has anyone seen them about town?

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Here is a different account of the happenings in smallwood that fateful night.

Lauren Spierer appeared 'in no condition' to help friend get home, source says
http://www.jconline.com/article/201...ource-says?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAG

"As for this idea that she was Florence Nightingale and taking him back because she was concerned, she wasn't in any condition to take care of herself, let alone another human being," said the source, one of scores of people who have seen the evidence but who was only willing to comment anonymously. "She couldn't even stand up on her own. I have difficulty with this individual (Rossman) saying he can't remember anything when he's the guy who picked her up and took her out of the building."
"She comes stumbling out of the elevator, trips several times toward the corner of the lobby, where she comes to rest in the corner of the lobby, falls to her knees and leans against the wall for support until a male companion comes to her aid, gathers her under his arm and escorts out of the front of the building," the source said. "That whole sequence lasts less than 60 seconds."

ullhair: Walking and memory are completely different in terms of what the brain does. Just because someone's able to walk well doesn't mean they're not being significantly affected by drugs.

I'm gonna go force myself to :chillout: .