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It's too bad there is no such thing as offering immunity to civil litigation...
Perhaps if both criminal immunity and civil suit immunity could be offered, someone would speak!
If it was an accident? OK by me. Rape-Murder or Kidnapping equals no quarter,
no mercy. And, he will be caught. Lauren will be found.
That video is touching beyond words. They are such dear, dear people. How can anyone deny them? You can just tell they raised their daughters to be the kind of persons who would always do for others what they are asking for themselves: Help find their daughter.
http://newsandtribune.com/breakingnews/x157474431/Human-remains-found
At least one set of human remains found on the property of a man that has been charged with murder... but the remains aren't from either woman that they have charged him with. Obviously this is just speculation, but it's scary to think that it could be Lauren, or anyone that has gone missing from Indiana for that matter.
I noticed that too, Jupiter.
I'm still thinking about how one of the last articles said that according to the Spierers, JR met up with LS at the bar. If JR and CR's stories were true, why on earth would these details not be out in the open. Why would it have ever been in question whether Lauren was by herself at the bar? Or whether she got kicked out? Why didn't her friends ever correct the rumors when they were speaking to the media early on? Instead, the only information that has ever been made public by the POI has been information that would defer any responsibility for Lauren, and Lauren's friends seem to have only appeared to speak for the POI: "JR didn't have any alcohol left at his house" "She asked MB if he wanted to party" "He watched her walk to the corner without stumbling".
I wonder if the JR info was told to the police/ Spierers or uncovered by the PI... I can sure understand the Spierers' frustration at the claims of cooperation from Lauren's friends/ POI, given the selective memory at work here.
Edited to add: This new detail, if true, also makes me rethink the whole out of town visitor component. From the beginning I have argued that the most likely scenario was that JR's supposed out-of-town guest wasn't even with them that night, because I couldn't understand how he would have been able to keep such a low profile and prevent this detail from getting to the media. Now I'm not so sure.
I have started thinking that this case may be much simpler than the various scenarios and possibilities. Based on the news info, the POI who was with her most of the evening has refused to talk to the police and her parents and claims "memory loss". Is that right? That is my understanding at least. If so, that is suspicious. If e there was really "memory loss" why would n't he talk to her parents and/or the police? There would be nothing to be afraid of, as he supposedly suffers from memory loss about the incident. The combination of the claim of memory loss AND the refusal to talk is suspicious.
An alternative scenario may be that LS never made it back to 5 North. Is it possible that LS "disappeared" before she made it back to the 5 North apartments? Is it possible that the POI with the "memory loss" returned alone to that building after LS "disappeared" and his roommate and the neighbor POI offered to help him and cover up for him not knowing what exactly might have happened? I have not read anywhere any evidence from cameras documenting that LS really made it to 5 North.
Nope, no cameras beyond the gravel lot which is where her key/card thingy was found by a neighbor.
That means that this theory is possible. She might have never made it to 5 North. And after her "disappearance", the PI with the "memory loss" might have returned back to his place alone and his friends decided to make up a story that would keep him out of trouble.
Possible, but I wonder how far friends would be willing to go with a made up story. Would you be willing to have your name and face in the media as a POI just to keep a friend out of trouble? Would you avoid talking to LE or taking an official polygraph? Would you hire a high profile defense attorney all to cover for a friend? I don't think so, personally.
I do think it's possible that she didn't make it to 5 north conscious or without help though (given her things dropped in the gravel lot).
Possible, but I wonder how far friends would be willing to go with a made up story. Would you be willing to have your name and face in the media as a POI just to keep a friend out of trouble? Would you avoid talking to LE or taking an official polygraph? Would you hire a high profile defense attorney all to cover for a friend? I don't think so, personally.
I do think it's possible that she didn't make it to 5 north conscious or without help though (given her things dropped in the gravel lot).
More rehashing of old stuff... but I just tried to find that article that had JR's account of the night, as told by HT. It's not online anymore at the original link, but is cited in full by commenter AK (June 26, 11:41 am) under this article: http://tonygatto.com/2011/06/26/mis...e-to-stonewall-leave-hadar-and-i-out-of-this/
It's kind of interesting to read it again, in retrospect, since IIRC, it's the first time the info from JR was made public -- If JR filled in the blanks for HT, note the info that is conveyed (and what isn't: i.e. him going to the bar)
* 12:30 am, LS and DR go to JR's. JR has out of town guest. They are joined by CR and MB.
* Rosenbaum had already run out of alcohol by the time Spierer and Rohn got to the apartment
* Rohn asked Spierer to go back to Smallwood at about 1:30 a.m.; but she said she was going to Kilroy’s Sports Bar. Spierer and Rossman went to Kilroy’s. Rohn went back to Smallwood
* Rossman left the bar around 2:30 a.m. — and Spierer walked out without her cellphone and without her shoes.They walked back to Spierer’s building where Rossman had an altercation with other students.[article inserts lawyer confirmation about CR's fight/ memory loss]
* Spierer and Rossman left Smallwood at about 2:45 a.m. and headed to his apartment [ article confirms last time LS seen on tape is in alley, then cites MB lawyer that MB put CR to bed, LS went to JR's.]
Back to Hadar;
* Rosenbaum told her he tried to stop Spierer from leaving, that he wanted her to sleep on the couch. Using Rosenbaum’s phone, Spierer called Rohn to find out if he knew where her cell phone was.... [article cites DR lawyer, phone not answered]
Also note, the whole story under which this is quoted is about how HT doesn't want to speak to Gatto about Lauren. And yet, she's willing to speak to the media as JR's voice (the last person to see LS) about aspects of the night that she would have no way of knowing about, while lawyers speak up for the other 3 POI.
April 28, 2012
Remains found in New Albany backyard identified as missing woman
By TARA SCHMELZ tara.schmelz@newsandtribune.com
NEW ALBANY — Police have identified human remains found in the backyard of a New Albany home on Friday as those of 35-year-old Stephanie Marie Kirk, a Charlestown woman who has been missing since March.