IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #7

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Always a chance...but so many more that have ended the other way. If this was an abduction by chance, it may lessen her chances of being kept alive.

In this particular case I think it's the opposite. One of LS' friends or acquaintances wouldn't be *able* to keep her alive. It's not like she's tucked into their roommates' bathroom. They don't have the means to carry out an abduction and keep someone alive.

A stranger could, however.
 
It makes u crazy! I have seen so many things with these shadows etc. But would not the black be noticeable anyway that was near or on the tailgate?

I definitely see a round spool of silver/gray cable where the 'left elbow' of the person shadow is. Do u see it? It has a black center. Between the white "cover" close to the passengers side and the beginning of the elevation of the shadow.

We need a re-creation of this pic. Could someone local find a white truck to drive on that street a 4:15 in the am and have someone photograph it? A ladder would be necessary for the camera person to climb up beside the actual camera to take this pic. :waitasec:

I hope you all know that I am making a funny here. Sometimes we need a chuckle while discussing such serious subject matter.:crazy:

[B***]Message to the perp(s)***:

Where is Lauren?

Give her back! Her family is sick with worry about her. Just call in an anonymous tip. How could you do this?

MOO[/B]wm
 
Haven't heard much about this case on local media here on Long Island since really June 4 despite the fact that JW lives here. Today, however, big deal made about bag found in Smallwood.
 
LOL, I'm glad u said u were kidding! I was thinking "that is a bit much!!":great:

Take care everyone.
 
Re: the bedliner that is confusing and appears to be a white liner rumpled up..

I just wanted to help clear up this detail(have plenty already that we do not have answers for, so wanted to clarify the ones we do have answers for)..

In the pic below you'll see I circled both truck beds. Bottom picc is truck from surveillance video and top truck is a matching truck kissedegirl found and posted.. If you notice in the top pic there actually is no liner at all(the white is just the metal frame of the truck bare with no liner)and the railing is covered in a black hard plastic(IMO most likely because this truck comes with a removable tonneau cover..that obviously is not on either of the trucks)..

So hopefully these pics will better help and clear up the confusion of there being a white liner.. When infact it is just the white bare bed of the truck with the rails of the bed covered in a hard black plastic..
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** one other note.. Many believe that there may be a black tarp in the back using to cover "whatever" is back there and that tarp also adds to the illusion of there being a white liner..
HTH:)
 
IDK but this case bothers me so much. It just seems like we are missing something and I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is because it reminds me ALOT of Brittanee Drexel's disappearance in Myrtle Beach, SC. (she disappeared while walking alone one evening and the 2 groups of friends she was with either took off in the middle of the night to return to NY or changed hotels) I told myself I wouldn't get involved in another missing persons case but here I am!

The grief of Lauren's parents, friends and family is almost too much to bear watching. I too, have a lovely daughter of small stature. I cannot imagine the horror of not knowing where she is! My thoughts and prayers go out to Lauren and her family every day!

wm
 
In the grand scheme of things, you are right. Though it just seems odd that she would be there by herself. Just thinking about what her roommate said (if true)...that she went to JR's around 12:30, stayed there for awhile (presumably snorting xanax/cocaine if we believe the rumors from Kilroy's bartenders), CR and LS head to Kilroy's, DR heads home. Just curious, I guess.

Just thinking out loud here. Maybe she/they did get kicked out of the bar shortly before 2:30, perhaps this is the reason she forgot/didn't have her shoes and phone?? After they got kicked out, maybe that's the reason they went to Lauren's apt. to get more shoes, but instead met up with JW's friends and never made it that far?

Sorry, I seem to have missed the link to that rumor. Things get buried fast when a case is hot. This mix of xanax/coke is form of speedballing and definitely risky for anyone, with the long QT again points to the accidental death thing, and some sort of clean up conspiracy.
 
Sorry, I seem to have missed the link to that rumor. Things get buried fast when a case is hot. This mix of xanax/coke is form of speedballing and definitely risky for anyone, with the long QT again points to the accidental death thing, and some sort of clean up conspiracy.

It really is just a rumor at this point, not reported by mainstream media, only on a private blog, so we have to treat it as a rumor. I think a mod made a post late last night on how to handle such rumors.
 
IDK but this case bothers me so much. It just seems like we are missing something and I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is because it reminds me ALOT of Brittanee Drexel's disappearance in Myrtle Beach, SC. (she disappeared while walking alone one evening and the 2 groups of friends she was with either took off in the middle of the night to return to NY or changed hotels) I told myself I wouldn't get involved in another missing persons case but here I am!

The grief of Lauren's parents, friends and family is almost too much to bear watching. I too, have a lovely daughter of small stature. I cannot imagine the horror of not knowing where she is! My thoughts and prayers go out to Lauren and her family every day!

wm

I keep thinking of Brittanee Drexel too.
 
The people who responded to this earlier seemed to think that you call 911, and this makes sense. Even if these guys had 5 kilos and an AK-47 in the closet, it's much easier to hide that stuff than it is a human body. What scenario would make them freak out enough to decide to dump Lauren?

Also, once they decided to, how to do it? These are East Coasters, not Indiana boys. It's not like they know the countryside and the perfect "back 80" to get rid of something. They wouldn't have had shovels, tarps, rope, or anything like that. Put yourself in their skin, what do you do with the body?

Again it seems to me in these theories that the reason to ditch the body was to conceal evidences of her demise. If it were intentional drugs, or something slipped to her, that would incriminate someone. If someone killed her accidently in some other way, that too might link to the perp.

The idea that she is alive and being held (if it wasn't stranger abduction) is possible, but wouldn't that be ever more difficult to pull off than ditching a body? These are intelligent people and rules don't seem to matter much to most of them. Exactly where they would draw the line is unknown because we really don't know them at all. The fact that the people closest to her ALL exhibit some peculiar behaviors or have said strange things makes this very weird!! It's really been impossible to rule anyone out, just reduce odds in some cases, and that's based mostly on statements (which if someone is lying is meaningless). As for the East Coast vs. Indiana local thing... how do they ditch bodies where these folks mostly come from? I thought JR was from Michigan, is their body ditching a whole lot different than in Indiana?
 
I have a vague inkling that what they'd do is hide the body indoors and transport it somewhere slightly more familiar at a later date. Which is what makes JR and JW's skipping out of town more troubling.

For me, if I was involved in drugs, I'd get rid of my stash, drag the body to the bathroom, and call the cops. Then I'd act really surprised that she'd done drugs in my apartment when all I'd given her is alcohol, and just take the underage/supplying a minor charge that I'd already had. Or just drive her to the emergency room and beat it.

would you do that if you were directly linked to a major supplier who was netting a few million a year from this college? Do you think that LE and parents would leave it at that you could just go about your business after that? The next logical step in that scenario is not that you walk free, but that people come forward and say you are a supplier. Then you get a felony charge for dealing and are put in a position to serve hard time or rat on your supplier. That all goes through that person's head in a few seconds, they know the score and the outcomes. The third choice is to eliminate as much evidence as possible, including the body. Now, even if people do come forward and say you were a supplier there is no evidence and so no conviction. In all cases your operation you are out of business. However, in one outcome you are dead, in another outcome you are in prison and your life ruined, and in the third, you are free but have to look over your shoulder and clean up your act.

I see people persistently finding it hard to believe that people would hide a body of a friend if they OD'd. Yet many others posted all sorts of examples of that. At the same time, it's as though they have no idea how crime organizations function. Most criminal activity involves conspiracies. People acting totally alone are the rarity not the norm. No one involved in criminal activity wants to serve time and so a lot of things are done to prevent or reduce that possibility.
 
Respectfully snipped for clarity.

I also saw them. It is not unusual to see them there. They roost nearby at a department of transportation facility between hwy 37 and BHSN, and "hang out" at that quarry.

I see them almost every day. It was unusual to see so many in the air at once though.

Have the Quarries been searched yet?
 
While it might make more sense to call 911, there are plenty of cases where people disposed of a body of someone who overdosed. I posted this link before, but here it is again. These three have been convicted for tampering with a crime scence for disposing of a body, and there are plenty of other examples.

"A Jackson County jury sent a stern warning today by finding three people guilty of tampering with a crime scene and moving the body of 19-year-old Cherie Irving, who died of a drug overdose, said Assistant Prosecutor Jerry Jarzynka."

http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2011/05/prosecutor_says_guilty_verdict.html
 
If Very is right and there is a low-level college drug dealer who is working for more connected folks, why are we thinking there wouldn't be a plan for body disposal? Not Lauren specifically but if someone ODs on your "watch, do this......

This isn't pleasant and hope she's found alive but unless it's a stranger abduction that just doesn't seem likely...

I do wish at least in college communities we could get laws to cover this sort of thing in a no ask, no harm, type of way to those around if an accidental OD happens...so parents wouldn't have to suffer. Unfortunately, the criminal justice system seems to go the other way some times. Most states have takend that route with unwanted babies...just drop them at a safe house...church, hospital, etc. no questions asked.

since we, as a society, are doing such a poor job of controlling illegal and prescription drugs, it's time to look at some other alternatives.
 
I would just like to introduce myself- I am a NJ transplant, been living in Bloomington for 4 years now and doubt I'll ever leave. It pains me to see the negative reputation that the east coasters have made for themselves out here. When I moved out here for college I learned about my surroundings and adapted to life out here, it seems to me that kids like the boys involved in this story feel like they're smarter than LE, and will go blameless for what they've done. This story is consuming my free time, when I'm not working or in summer class, I'm digging for details. I've been reading this forum for a few days now and figured I might as well join to contribute to conversation.

Does anyone know if the clothes found in the bag in Smallwood matched what Lauren as wearing/her wardrobe in general? What was in the shoebox? I know the clothes had no sign of a struggle, but does that mean anything IF she indeed overdosed/had an adverse reaction to whatever she had taken?
 
would you do that if you were directly linked to a major supplier who was netting a few million a year from this college? Do you think that LE and parents would leave it at that you could just go about your business after that? The next logical step in that scenario is not that you walk free, but that people come forward and say you are a supplier. Then you get a felony charge for dealing and are put in a position to serve hard time or rat on your supplier. That all goes through that person's head in a few seconds, they know the score and the outcomes. The third choice is to eliminate as much evidence as possible, including the body. Now, even if people do come forward and say you were a supplier there is no evidence and so no conviction. In all cases your operation you are out of business. However, in one outcome you are dead, in another outcome you are in prison and your life ruined, and in the third, you are free but have to look over your shoulder and clean up your act.

I see people persistently finding it hard to believe that people would hide a body of a friend if they OD'd. Yet many others posted all sorts of examples of that. At the same time, it's as though they have no idea how crime organizations function. Most criminal activity involves conspiracies. People acting totally alone are the rarity not the norm. No one involved in criminal activity wants to serve time and so a lot of things are done to prevent or reduce that possibility.

That is very close to what I've been thinking. I went to another Big-10 school with a similar In-State/East Coast dynamic. College-level dealers are usually shady characters like the POIs in this case, but they're not necessarily hardcore criminals. HOWEVER, you don't have to get much further up the chain before you're dealing with dudes with guns - dudes who take things very seriously. If one of the POIs was a low-level dealer, his supplier is probably from back East, Indianapolis, or Chicago (and a guy you don't want to upset). Or, there could be "one guy" who distributes for all of Bloomington and his connection is from a larger city. Either way, the bigger players WOULD NOT appreciate a girl being dead because some low-level moron couldn't handle himself.

This, IMO, is a major motivation for dumping a body. It could also explain how these guys make a phone call and get a more "professional" cleaning crew on short notice. Given all the circumstances, I think this is a very possible scenario.
 
Townie- I see the exact same male driver that you are seeing.. How is this? If it were our minds wanting to see something I would think if it truly were t there and only imaginary then each would see it "in their own way".. Not exactly and to a tee what someone elsse just describes..

I can see this man as clear as day black hair, receding hairline with his hair combed back away from his face, looking down where his eyes are hidden by the top of the steering wheel.. I would even as far as to make a guess that it's quite possible that he is Hispanic.. Is this what u see Townie?

I don't think the same exact image woukd be seen by different individuals if there was truly no image there to be seen.. Hope that makes sense..
 
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