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GUILTY IN - Shaylyn Ammerman, 14 mos, Spencer, 23 March 2016 #3
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From what I have read they are a very close family. Shaylyn's has 2 older brothers, who seems to have relationships with their fathers. The materal grandmother has been with Jessica and the boys since this happened. They haven't been on tv or in the news, like it is all about me me me. They have been taking care of what they needed to, closing in rank with their family around them & doing their mourning in private. That she took the time to write out a list of all business/people who have been supportive through their grief, I think it speaks volumes on the type of family they are.
I think this is what we have consistently wanted to see out of the Ammerman's but they come off with it is all about me attitude to me. Just my thoughts & opinions here.
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I get what you're saying...my fear in these cases when alcohol is involved is that it will become part of the defense, right along with drugs (since there there seems to be a history). My dad was nearly killed when I was 11 years old by a guy he fired on one of his job sites. Dude threw a framing hammer at him and cracked his skull. At trial, the jerks attorney brought up the past drug use and the claimed his was high the day it happened (he probably was - this was years before random drug testing on the job). It did impact his actual conviction, as well as his sentencing, initially and long-term (with a lengthy criminal history, including felonies and violent crimes, he was convicted of "Assault w/ a deadly weapon, inflicting serious injury" and sentence to 7 years). He was up for parole the first time in 9 months and it we fought it. The second time was at 11 months months and, again, we fought it - he got out.
Sorry for the narrative. Just wanted to explain my response. My reply wasn't meant as anything personal to you and I apologize if you took it as such.
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I actually texted my Uncle, who is a police chief, and asked this question as soon as I read in MSM that Parker was placed on suicide watch. I will also try and find a link to support this because it is coming from word of mouth. My Uncle said that 1) Even if Kyle's Stepdad had not mentioned his desired to kill himself, protocol places anyone with charges as severe as his on watch automatically for at least 48 - 72 hours, 2) Because of what he said, an evaluation would usually happen sooner rather than waiting until an attorney requested it for the case and 3) The length of time someone is held on watch when there is a significant reason to believe they may be a danger to themselves (he said he would kill himself rather than go to prison for the rest of his life) is indefinite and the inmate's psychological health is evaluated often since guards are required to document their findings at the 15 minute checks, even if all is well.
http://fox59.com/2016/03/30/suspect-in-shaylyn-ammerman-case-on-suicide-watch-after-arrest/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...hpnIJTjpK5ToRbIuOaOn0Q&bvm=bv.118443451,d.dmo Page 15 is helpful in this document for Indiana.
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Nancy Grace briefly covered the murder on Thursday night and spoke to the paternal grandmother. FWIW, she said Kyle was not drunk when he was "caught" holding Shaylyn. He was staying overnight, and Shaylyn had woken up so he picked her up out of her bed and rocked her back to sleep in the rocking chair. She also said that on the night of the murder everyone thought Kyle was sleeping on the chair he slept on when he stayed overnight but she didn't say where the chair was located. If the chair was in the living room, this man could have been close to Shaylyn in the middle of the night with no one else around on more than one occasion.
Yeah that baby had no protection in that house IMO. As has been said "the perfect storm".
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There was another article that quoted her saying he was drinking. So confusing.
But the chair he slept in when he "stayed overnight" like a slumber party?! I'm speechless. I'm trying to follow the rules and don't know if it's ok to comment more than that. But I'm pretty sure you all catch my drift.
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Nancy Grace transcript, Shaylyn's case is talked about toward the end of the transcript.
"
GRACE: Breaking news to a Spencer suburbs, a 15-month-old little girl, kidnapped. Breaking now, did an alleged perpetrator watch the family go to
sleep then secretly kidnap 1-year-old Shaylyn from her crib and murder her?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is 22-year-old Kyle Parker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After abducting Shaylyn, Parker smothered her nose and mouth to keep her from screaming and then strangled the 1-year-old. The
victim also had numerous injuries consistent with sexual assault.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know he did it. He is so straight and calm and cool.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just don`t understand why somebody that we trusted with our lives and our family would do something like this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why? Why would you do this to my daughter? Why would you do this to me?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This is how the story started. Listen to the police presser.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A body of a female infant has been discovered near Gosport. That body did match the description of Shaylyn Ammerman.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Joining me right now in addition to Melissa Neeley with WLW is the baby`s grandmother, Tamara Sue Morgan. Miss Morgan, thank you for being
with us.
TAMARA SUE MORGAN, VICTIMS GRANDMOTHER: Thank you.
GRACE: It`s just very, very difficult for me to believe that a trusted family friend would watch and spy on the family, knowing the family was
going to sleep. And as soon as everybody was asleep, take the baby, assault the baby and kill the baby. What happened that night?
MORGAN: Just like what we said, he was over to visit with Adam and we all, you know, most of the time when he came over, he spent the night and we
assumed that he was asleep in the chair the he generally slept in when he was there and everybody went to sleep. And then when we woke up, he was
gone
GRACE: Can you tell me, was anybody -- was anybody drinking or doing drugs that night in the home?
MORGAN: There was some alcohol consumption in Adam`s bedroom with Kyle and Adam and my husband, but not enough --
GRACE: Well, that`s not a crime. Having a cocktail isn`t a crime. What concerns me, Miss Morgan, is isn`t it true, on one prior occasion, you guys
came in and he is sitting there drunk in the chair, in your home, holding the baby in his lap?
MORGAN: No, he was not drunk. And it was a night that he had stayed over and Shaylyn had woken up and he picked her up out of her bed and sat in the
rocking chair and rocked her back to sleep.
GRACE: Okay, that`s a very different story. I`m glad to hear that. With me also, Melissa Neeley from WLW. Melissa, how did it go down that night and
why did this guy come under suspicion? Is it true he watched the family go to sleep, then takes little Shaylyn?
[20:50:00] MELISSA NEELEY, WLW REPORTER: Well Nancy, at first he claimed that he was at the house around midnight, and then went to a friend`s house
in a nearby town. But that was definitely after the family had gone. But he claimed that he waved goodbye to Adam, the friend that he was visiting at
the house at the time he left. And apparently, Adam did see him leave and suspiciously saw maybe a leg dangling from something he was holding.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Melissa Neeley, somebody sees him leaving with a foot hanging out?
NEELEY: Well, allegedly, Adam recalls that he told police that when Kyle left the house that he thought he saw something dangling, which might have
been a foot but didn`t seem to be ...
GRACE: Well, hold on, to Tamara Sue Morgan, the grandmother. How can you see a foot hanging out? The guy is leaving and a foot comes out of his
bundle. Didn`t that raise an alarm?
MORGAN: Well, Adam -- I don`t know because Adam woke up. He was groggy. You know, in like half sleep, half awake mode even (ph) ways. And he had been
drinking so, Adam never told me that he saw anything when Kyle left. He said he heard Kyle go out the door, looked out the window, said something
to Kyle. Kyle didn`t turn around and just left. So, Adam just laid back down. I have never heard that Adam saw anything other than the back of
Kyle.
GRACE: So, Michael Christian, according to a specialist, a pediatric medical examiner, this was the worst sex assault on a child she had ever
seen.
MICHAEL CHRISTAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right. Her name is Dr. Donna Stewart. She`s a medical examiner in Louisville, Kentucky, Nancy. She
described horrible injuries, sexual injuries, bruises. She said that the child`s mouth was consistent with having been smothered and that bruises on
her neck were consistent with having been strangled.
GRACE: Everyone shifting gears, March Madness comes to an end, but if you need an extra basketball fix before (inaudible) go to this week`s CNN
Heroes. Marquis Taylor using his sport to help children and their potential on and off the court.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MARQUIS TAYLOR, BASKETBALL COACH: This program is not about creating the next basketball star. It`s about helping young people develop skills that
are going to prepare them for the next step. It allows you to navigate challenges that you will face because that what`s going to happen when they
hit life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This is what`s different about this program. Older players become mentors for younger ones and how that to become a pathway to college. Watch
the story right now. CNN Heroes.com and nominate a 2016 CNN Hero.
[20:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Well, it seems like a big drunk (ph) to me. Unleash the lawyers, Richard Herman Vegas, Parag Shah, defense attorney Atlanta. Okay, Parag
Shah, even if they were all drunk, voluntary intoxication is not a defense for this guy. According to police, he watches the family go to sleep, takes
the baby, assaults the baby in the worst way, you know.
I mean think about it, Parag Shah, assaults a baby, all right. And the baby is found - and the baby has been washed down with some kind of cleaner like
peroxide -- her whole body including internally, do you hear me? And leave the baby like that beside a tree. All right, why shouldn`t it be death
penalty? One reason.
PARAG SHAH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the first reason is that we don`t know is he should get any kind of penalty because we don`t know he
did anything as you stated out as the information that came out. There were other people in the home and especially this...
GRACE: You lie about that?
SHAH: ... especially this Adam guy who supposedly has now given two separate pieces of information.
GRACE: Well, but Adam, Richard Herman, is the uncle - the uncle of the baby and he was there in the home even when the baby was gone and the alleged
perp was gone. He was the one that left, but my question to you Richard Herman, assuming his DNA is found in or on the baby, what`s one reason that
they should not go for the death penalty?
RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They should go after the death penalty either way right now. If his DNA is found inside the baby, that`s
game over, but Nancy, you began the segment by stating it`s hard to believe. It is hard to believe and there`s a lot of people on that house
and there`s a lot of potential suspects for this and nobody saw him leave with that baby."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1603/31/ng.01.html
"
GRACE: Breaking news to a Spencer suburbs, a 15-month-old little girl, kidnapped. Breaking now, did an alleged perpetrator watch the family go to
sleep then secretly kidnap 1-year-old Shaylyn from her crib and murder her?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is 22-year-old Kyle Parker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After abducting Shaylyn, Parker smothered her nose and mouth to keep her from screaming and then strangled the 1-year-old. The
victim also had numerous injuries consistent with sexual assault.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know he did it. He is so straight and calm and cool.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just don`t understand why somebody that we trusted with our lives and our family would do something like this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why? Why would you do this to my daughter? Why would you do this to me?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This is how the story started. Listen to the police presser.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A body of a female infant has been discovered near Gosport. That body did match the description of Shaylyn Ammerman.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Joining me right now in addition to Melissa Neeley with WLW is the baby`s grandmother, Tamara Sue Morgan. Miss Morgan, thank you for being
with us.
TAMARA SUE MORGAN, VICTIMS GRANDMOTHER: Thank you.
GRACE: It`s just very, very difficult for me to believe that a trusted family friend would watch and spy on the family, knowing the family was
going to sleep. And as soon as everybody was asleep, take the baby, assault the baby and kill the baby. What happened that night?
MORGAN: Just like what we said, he was over to visit with Adam and we all, you know, most of the time when he came over, he spent the night and we
assumed that he was asleep in the chair the he generally slept in when he was there and everybody went to sleep. And then when we woke up, he was
gone
GRACE: Can you tell me, was anybody -- was anybody drinking or doing drugs that night in the home?
MORGAN: There was some alcohol consumption in Adam`s bedroom with Kyle and Adam and my husband, but not enough --
GRACE: Well, that`s not a crime. Having a cocktail isn`t a crime. What concerns me, Miss Morgan, is isn`t it true, on one prior occasion, you guys
came in and he is sitting there drunk in the chair, in your home, holding the baby in his lap?
MORGAN: No, he was not drunk. And it was a night that he had stayed over and Shaylyn had woken up and he picked her up out of her bed and sat in the
rocking chair and rocked her back to sleep.
GRACE: Okay, that`s a very different story. I`m glad to hear that. With me also, Melissa Neeley from WLW. Melissa, how did it go down that night and
why did this guy come under suspicion? Is it true he watched the family go to sleep, then takes little Shaylyn?
[20:50:00] MELISSA NEELEY, WLW REPORTER: Well Nancy, at first he claimed that he was at the house around midnight, and then went to a friend`s house
in a nearby town. But that was definitely after the family had gone. But he claimed that he waved goodbye to Adam, the friend that he was visiting at
the house at the time he left. And apparently, Adam did see him leave and suspiciously saw maybe a leg dangling from something he was holding.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Melissa Neeley, somebody sees him leaving with a foot hanging out?
NEELEY: Well, allegedly, Adam recalls that he told police that when Kyle left the house that he thought he saw something dangling, which might have
been a foot but didn`t seem to be ...
GRACE: Well, hold on, to Tamara Sue Morgan, the grandmother. How can you see a foot hanging out? The guy is leaving and a foot comes out of his
bundle. Didn`t that raise an alarm?
MORGAN: Well, Adam -- I don`t know because Adam woke up. He was groggy. You know, in like half sleep, half awake mode even (ph) ways. And he had been
drinking so, Adam never told me that he saw anything when Kyle left. He said he heard Kyle go out the door, looked out the window, said something
to Kyle. Kyle didn`t turn around and just left. So, Adam just laid back down. I have never heard that Adam saw anything other than the back of
Kyle.
GRACE: So, Michael Christian, according to a specialist, a pediatric medical examiner, this was the worst sex assault on a child she had ever
seen.
MICHAEL CHRISTAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right. Her name is Dr. Donna Stewart. She`s a medical examiner in Louisville, Kentucky, Nancy. She
described horrible injuries, sexual injuries, bruises. She said that the child`s mouth was consistent with having been smothered and that bruises on
her neck were consistent with having been strangled.
GRACE: Everyone shifting gears, March Madness comes to an end, but if you need an extra basketball fix before (inaudible) go to this week`s CNN
Heroes. Marquis Taylor using his sport to help children and their potential on and off the court.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MARQUIS TAYLOR, BASKETBALL COACH: This program is not about creating the next basketball star. It`s about helping young people develop skills that
are going to prepare them for the next step. It allows you to navigate challenges that you will face because that what`s going to happen when they
hit life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This is what`s different about this program. Older players become mentors for younger ones and how that to become a pathway to college. Watch
the story right now. CNN Heroes.com and nominate a 2016 CNN Hero.
[20:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Well, it seems like a big drunk (ph) to me. Unleash the lawyers, Richard Herman Vegas, Parag Shah, defense attorney Atlanta. Okay, Parag
Shah, even if they were all drunk, voluntary intoxication is not a defense for this guy. According to police, he watches the family go to sleep, takes
the baby, assaults the baby in the worst way, you know.
I mean think about it, Parag Shah, assaults a baby, all right. And the baby is found - and the baby has been washed down with some kind of cleaner like
peroxide -- her whole body including internally, do you hear me? And leave the baby like that beside a tree. All right, why shouldn`t it be death
penalty? One reason.
PARAG SHAH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the first reason is that we don`t know is he should get any kind of penalty because we don`t know he
did anything as you stated out as the information that came out. There were other people in the home and especially this...
GRACE: You lie about that?
SHAH: ... especially this Adam guy who supposedly has now given two separate pieces of information.
GRACE: Well, but Adam, Richard Herman, is the uncle - the uncle of the baby and he was there in the home even when the baby was gone and the alleged
perp was gone. He was the one that left, but my question to you Richard Herman, assuming his DNA is found in or on the baby, what`s one reason that
they should not go for the death penalty?
RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They should go after the death penalty either way right now. If his DNA is found inside the baby, that`s
game over, but Nancy, you began the segment by stating it`s hard to believe. It is hard to believe and there`s a lot of people on that house
and there`s a lot of potential suspects for this and nobody saw him leave with that baby."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1603/31/ng.01.html
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http://wlfi.com/2016/04/02/prosecutor-weighing-death-penalty-in-toddlers-killing/
April 2, 2016
"Parker pleaded not guilty to the charges during Mondays hearing. His public defender, Jacob Fish, hasnt returned telephone messages seeking comment.
Authorities say Parker drank whiskey with the girls uncle and then waited until the family fell asleep inside the Spencer home before abducting the toddler in the early morning hours of March 23."
sbm
"Parkers attorney will likely request a mental health evaluation, but use of an insanity defense requires doctors determining that the defendant wasnt capable of knowing that what he was doing was wrong, said Jack Crawford, an Indianapolis defense attorney and former Lake County prosecutor not involved in the case.
But a detectives probable-cause affidavit describes actions like Parker pouring bleach on the child and hiding her body.
That certainly indicates the mental capacity to realize Ive done something very wrong and Im going to try to hide my tracks,' Crawford told WISH-TV."
April 2, 2016
"Parker pleaded not guilty to the charges during Mondays hearing. His public defender, Jacob Fish, hasnt returned telephone messages seeking comment.
Authorities say Parker drank whiskey with the girls uncle and then waited until the family fell asleep inside the Spencer home before abducting the toddler in the early morning hours of March 23."
sbm
"Parkers attorney will likely request a mental health evaluation, but use of an insanity defense requires doctors determining that the defendant wasnt capable of knowing that what he was doing was wrong, said Jack Crawford, an Indianapolis defense attorney and former Lake County prosecutor not involved in the case.
But a detectives probable-cause affidavit describes actions like Parker pouring bleach on the child and hiding her body.
That certainly indicates the mental capacity to realize Ive done something very wrong and Im going to try to hide my tracks,' Crawford told WISH-TV."
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I just meant that if there were previous victims (of molestation, not murder) they might just be too young to even know what he'd done to them.
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Re: the Ammerman/Morgan family's statements about previously seeing KP rocking baby girl in a chair...
He wasn't drunk.
He was drunk.
Grandma caught him, drunk.
Uncle Adam said grandma told him KP was drunk.
Grandma says he wasn't drunk.
All of those statements have come from this family through MSM. Now I know MSM messes things up sometimes, but not like this. These folks can't seem to keep their stories straight.
Just like this "friend of a friend" thing, and "barely knew him". Yet, there he is routinely staying overnight to the point he has a specific chair he sleeps in. Not to mention he was FB friends with Uncle Adam. Does anyone really believe folks in this family didn't know exactly who KP was when his first and last name is (was) right there on AA's FB? (not to mention all the mutual friends they had on SM that cannot be seen now since KP's FB is gone).
I'm trying hard to stay within TOS here but it's pretty obvious this family is not being 100% honest. I suppose it's possible some embellishments have been added out of anger such as "yeah, and that other time he was rocking Shaylyn, he was drunk too!" I also suppose it's possible those who claimed to not know KP's last name never bothered to look at AA's FB. I also suppose it's possible these folks just let random folks sleep over, whether they really knew them or not.
There are some pretty legit reasons (at least on the surface, things the public can see) why I think LE still hasn't officially cleared anyone that was in the home that night.
He wasn't drunk.
He was drunk.
Grandma caught him, drunk.
Uncle Adam said grandma told him KP was drunk.
Grandma says he wasn't drunk.
All of those statements have come from this family through MSM. Now I know MSM messes things up sometimes, but not like this. These folks can't seem to keep their stories straight.
Just like this "friend of a friend" thing, and "barely knew him". Yet, there he is routinely staying overnight to the point he has a specific chair he sleeps in. Not to mention he was FB friends with Uncle Adam. Does anyone really believe folks in this family didn't know exactly who KP was when his first and last name is (was) right there on AA's FB? (not to mention all the mutual friends they had on SM that cannot be seen now since KP's FB is gone).
I'm trying hard to stay within TOS here but it's pretty obvious this family is not being 100% honest. I suppose it's possible some embellishments have been added out of anger such as "yeah, and that other time he was rocking Shaylyn, he was drunk too!" I also suppose it's possible those who claimed to not know KP's last name never bothered to look at AA's FB. I also suppose it's possible these folks just let random folks sleep over, whether they really knew them or not.
There are some pretty legit reasons (at least on the surface, things the public can see) why I think LE still hasn't officially cleared anyone that was in the home that night.
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The rocking of the baby and the kidnapping and unspeakable crimes against her were two separate incidents.
The rocking of the baby and the kidnapping and unspeakable crimes against her were two separate incidents.
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why was a grown man spending the night? I can see young guys maybe in their early 20s without kids or without living with their parents maybe drinking late at night and a friend crashing on the couch. But this was a family setting with extended family and a baby and these guys aren't that young. Why on earth would he be sleeping over regularly? That is bizarre to me.
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I know that, but didn't both happen the same night?
No, it was 2 separate times
From what I have seen watching crime shows, yes it does.
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Me too. That said, he was staying the night because this is obviously the way this family rolls. I think it's probably bizarre to a lot of people. Then again, a family with adult kids who have full time jobs and live on their own, have the baby sleep in her own room (or the parents room) in her crib & lock the door at night may be considered bizarre to this family. And no, I'm not being sarcastic at all. Obviously this family does not live the way most adults with children live & for them this is normal.