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Rainsong said:
You may not consider it an answer, but the question was addressed to me. I've answered it.

Rainsong
You responded to the question, but you certainly didn't answer it. It's fine. Your non-answer is most revealing.

I think that anyone who insists on the highest scientific corroboration of evidence which evidence which suggests the Ramseys are lying ... and who does not apply the same exacting styandards to evidence which is exculpatory to the Ramseys ..... is biased.

Politicians do this. We have a tv political journalist called Jeremy Paxman who doesn't let politician get out of answering simple questions when they respond with non-answers and he makes them look like the silly people they are for their complete inability to answer a simple yes or no question.

This is a classic RST tactic. I have many saved examples of jameson doing it. Someone asks her a questions and she responds with a statement which doesn't answer the question. So the question is readdressed and she gets stroppy, accuses the poster of disruption and suddenly the posts go poof!. I'd love to see jameson deposed for what she claims to know about the Ramsey case.
 
Jayelles said:
You responded to the question, but you certainly didn't answer it. It's fine. Your non-answer is most revealing.

I think that anyone who insists on the highest scientific corroboration of evidence which evidence which suggests the Ramseys are lying ... and who does not apply the same exacting styandards to evidence which is exculpatory to the Ramseys ..... is biased.

Politicians do this. We have a tv political journalist called Jeremy Paxman who doesn't let politician get out of answering simple questions when they respond with non-answers and he makes them look like the silly people they are for their complete inability to answer a simple yes or no question.

This is a classic RST tactic. I have many saved examples of jameson doing it. Someone asks her a questions and she responds with a statement which doesn't answer the question. So the question is readdressed and she gets stroppy, accuses the poster of disruption and suddenly the posts go poof!. I'd love to see jameson deposed for what she claims to know about the Ramsey case.

Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't answered.

I have not insisted on scientific corroboration of evidence. I distinctly said we have no scientific confirmation of Steve Thomas' statements per the pineapple. While others may cite Lou Smit, he is not a scientist. And others cite Thomas' deposition in reference to a scientist, we do not have the information from the scientist himself, only Thomas' words.

There is a subtle difference.

Rainsong
 
Rainsong said:
Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't answered.

I have not insisted on scientific corroboration of evidence. I distinctly said we have no scientific confirmation of Steve Thomas' statements per the pineapple. While others may cite Lou Smit, he is not a scientist. And others cite Thomas' deposition in reference to a scientist, we do not have the information from the scientist himself, only Thomas' words.

There is a subtle difference.

Rainsong
Having had extended failed attempts to get youknowwho to address apparent indisputable realities in the past, I have resolved not to address statements or questions to her in the future. Getting the answer to a question from youknowwho has proven to be like roping the passing wind. So why try to rope passed wind? I suppose one can quote and discuss the elements of posts with others in the forem I would think.

In that light I would to suggest that the one whose name I do not mention, has in fact demanded a greater exactitude and level of proof for those facts and evidence which are troublesome to her theory,and resorted to evasion when challenged. No questions here, just an opinion based on observation.
 
tipper said:
If she was eating stuff like candy canes they would have been dissolved before they got to her stomach

You seem to have misread DOI. It doesn't say she was too busy playing to eat. It says she was too busy to make the face. But she did help make the pancakes.

"JonBenet always loved to get into the act and was right under my elbows, standing on a stool by the stove, to help pour the pancake batter. She normally liked to make a Mickey Mouse shape with the batter and decorate it at the table with fruit and raisins to make the face come to life, but there wasn't time for that on this Christmas Day. Too many new things to play with."

Patsy also said in an interview that they DID have lunch but she didn't remember what it was.


TT: Okay. Did you have lunch that day?

PR: I'm sure we did.

TT: Okay, do you have any idea about... what did you have for lunch?

PR: I don't remember.

As far as John not being sure whether or not she could open the refrigerator, I have very little faith in most men's knowledge of their children's capabilities.
I didn't misread DOI. Show me where it said she ate anything. It said Burke "had a bite" but it never stated JBR ate anything. Saying she ate is supposition on your part. What he actually wrote is so subjective that it could also be interpreted to mean she usually helped, and on Christmas day she didn't. Notice how they never tie themselves down to admitting what she ate when that day? They said she didn't eat before breakfast, they never admitted to anything she ate "for" breakfast, I don't remember what she had for lunch, and I don't know if she ate at the White's, but the White's had cracked crab, they don't remember her eating pineapple at home, and she certainly didn't eat it when they returned from the White's because she was asleep! (Even though Burke said she was awake and walked up the stairs)

As far as Patsy's word of eating lunch? "I'm sure we did", is hardly definitive, it is however similar to her favorite phrase..."I don't remember"!

You may choose to have whatever level of faith in JR's words as you want, lol, I don't have much faith in anything he says either. Maybe she could open the fridge and maybe not. She couldn't read simple words on the Christmas present tags like Mom, Dad, John, Patsy, Burke! Odd isn't it? They all even start with different letters.
 
Rainsong said:
I have not insisted on scientific corroboration of evidence. I distinctly said we have no scientific confirmation of Steve Thomas' statements per the pineapple.
Really? You haven't insisted? Then what is this?
:waitasec:



Rainsong said:
I'd like confirmation, not from LE but from some scientific entity.

Rainsong
 
Lacy Wood said:
Having had extended failed attempts to get youknowwho to address apparent indisputable realities in the past, I have resolved not to address statements or questions to her in the future. Getting the answer to a question from youknowwho has proven to be like roping the passing wind. So why try to rope passed wind? I suppose one can quote and discuss the elements of posts with others in the forem I would think.

In that light I would to suggest that the one whose name I do not mention, has in fact demanded a greater exactitude and level of proof for those facts and evidence which are troublesome to her theory,and resorted to evasion when challenged. No questions here, just an opinion based on observation.

Saying I would like confirmation and demanding a greater exactitude are not the same thing. On the other hand, I have also stated I believe the remnants found are indeed pineapple because--and you're gonna love this--the weight of the evidence leans more toward the remnants being pineapple than on being anything else.

Rainsong
 
tipper said:
Patsy also said in an interview that they DID have lunch but she didn't remember what it was.


TT: Okay. Did you have lunch that day?

PR: I'm sure we did.

TT: Okay, do you have any idea about... what did you have for lunch?

PR: I don't remember.
To me, both of those responses are about as vague and useless as one could possibly be. If that helps clear anything up for you, all power to you, but for me, it just makes Patsy seem a bit absent-minded.

I don't think she said "I'm sure we did" as in I'm absolutely positive we had lunch. To me, it sounds more like we must have had lunch, because people eat lunch.
 
Great post, Moab, but I think you missed a few...

Rainsong said:
I have not insisted on scientific corroboration of evidence.

Rainsong said:
I'd rather wait for such confirmation.

Rainsong said:
Oh, I believe it was pineapple too, but I'm not willing to accept Steve Thomas' word for it. I'd still like confirmation.

Rainsong said:
I'd like confirmation, not from LE but from some scientific entity.

:dance:

(I'm anticipating the following response: Asking for confirmation and insisting upon it are two different things...)

Here's another gem from this thread...

Rainsong said:
The fecal matter found in the large intestine could very well be the pancake breakfast from earllier in the day.

Rainsong said:
I have no belief the fecal matter is the pancake breakfast
 
Stating one would rather have chocolate cake and insisting on chocolate cake are two entirely different things, don't you think?

So too is there a difference between 'could very well be' and 'have no belief.' The first phase suggests the possibility. The second places little value on the first while still allowing for the possibility.

Rainsong
 
Rainsong said:
So too is there a difference between 'could very well be' and 'have no belief.' The first phase suggests the possibility. The second places little value on the first while still allowing for the possibility.


Rainsong,

???

When that bottle of chardonnay is gone, please take a long nap and later on return to WS with a clear mind. Thanks.
 
Voice of Reason said:
To me, both of those responses are about as vague and useless as one could possibly be. If that helps clear anything up for you, all power to you, but for me, it just makes Patsy seem a bit absent-minded.

I don't think she said "I'm sure we did" as in I'm absolutely positive we had lunch. To me, it sounds more like we must have had lunch, because people eat lunch.
To me it says they had something for lunch. As I said earlier I would hope they also asked Burke since he wasn't (as far as we know) on anti-depressants that are known to cause memory problems.
 
BlueCrab said:
Rainsong,

???

When that bottle of chardonnay is gone, please take a long nap and later on return to WS with a clear mind. Thanks.

It had to be said .... Thank you BlueCrab.
 
BlueCrab said:
Rainsong,

???

When that bottle of chardonnay is gone, please take a long nap and later on return to WS with a clear mind. Thanks.

If you don't mind, I'd rather have a nice cabernet, though the possibility of my enjoying a chardonnay does exist.

:blowkiss:

Rainsong
 
Moab said:
Yeah, and it brings new meaning to the phrase "please pass the corn" too. How's your corn coming along?

Oh, I did the corn test last week. Everything came out just fine, but you might want to take a bit of Immodium if yours came through so fast.

Rainsong
 
Rainsong said:
Stating one would rather have chocolate cake and insisting on chocolate cake are two entirely different things, don't you think?

So too is there a difference between 'could very well be' and 'have no belief.' The first phase suggests the possibility. The second places little value on the first while still allowing for the possibility.

Rainsong
insist means to not take no for an answer...

rather means to be more precise...

precise means rigid...

rigid means not taking no for an answer!



Kind of a vicious circle isn't it with all those semantics RS?



You have been given sworn testimony, you have been given the defective detectives solemn word, you have been given Schiller's book (Remember him? He had access to the police reports), you have been given ST's book. Here is another source:



From the Bonita Papers...

"PINEAPPLE

Coroner Meyer had noted in his autopsy examination that the food found in JonBenet's intestine would have been consumed approximately two hours prior death. However, both John and Patsy stated that no one had eaten anything at the house when they returned from the White’s dinner party, and that JonBenet was asleep when they arrived home and remained asleep.

In February, 1998, detectives from the Boulder police department asked their assistance in conducting an analysis of the contents from the intestine obtained during the autopsy. At the initial examination, Coroner Meyer had suspected that the retrieved substance was pineapple fragments. The bowl of pineapple detectives found on the dining room table at the Ramsey residence the morning of December 26 had been taken into evidence that morning and frozen for future comparison studies. After examining the two samples, the biology professors confirmed that the intestinal substance were pineapple, ant that both this specimen and the pineapple found in the bowl contained portions of the outer rind of the fruit.

The study also identified both samples as being fresh pineapple not canned. The conclusion of the two professors was that there were no distinctive differences between that found in the bowl and that removed
from the intestines.

Prior fingerprint testing on the bowl that contained the pineapple had picked up prints from both Patsy and Burke."



*********************



and yet another source from the Michael Kane interview with Miss-I-don't-remember-Patsy in 2000



"14 Q. (By Mr. Kane) You say
15 apparently, during the autopsy, an issue was
16 raised about the possibility of JonBenet
17 having eaten pineapple. Do you recall -- do
18 you recall, during the interviews in June of
19 1998, being told that there was, in fact,
20 pineapple in her system?
21 A. I don't remember the specific
22 discussion. I believe someone said there may
23 have been something that looked like
24 pineapple.
25 Q. Okay.
0056
1 A. I'm not - no one ever has told
2 me that it was definitively pineapple.
3 Q. All right. Did John -- so John
4 never told you that Lou Smith told him that
5 it was definitely pineapple?
6 A. No.
7 Q. Have you, whether it was pineapple
8 or any other type of fruit, it is your
9 understanding that you haven't asked any
10 forensic experts to, gastroenterologist or
11 someone of that nature, someone with a
12 medical background, what their opinion of
13 that being in her system is?..."

14 A. I don't know. That may have been
15 part of the presentation that was being
16 prepared.
17 Q. Well, the presentation was Dr.
18 Sperry. Let me just clarify this. Was
19 anybody else besides Dr. Sperry going to take
20 part in that presentation, to your knowledge?
21 A. To my knowledge, there were
22 several people involved.
23 Q. But you don't know who these
24 people are?
25 A. No.
0057
1 Q. Do you know what their fields of
2 expertise were?
3 A. I am sorry, I don't.
4 Q. And you didn't learn subsequent to
5 January who these people are and what their
6 fields of expertise are?
7 MR. WOOD: Specific names, I
8 think she's told you.
9 THE WITNESS: I mean, I think, I
10 think I was told, probably, you know, this
11 name, this name, and this is who he is and
12 that is and that is. They are all like
13 names with degrees this long. I just knew I
14 was very impressed by the caliber of the
15 individuals consulting on this.
16 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Okay. All right.
17 And you don't have any problem with giving
18 us those names, do you, afterwards if you
19 and Mr. Ramsey --
20 MR. WOOD: Whatever names were
21 offered to you and Pat Burke, I will tell
22 you, whatever names were offered in January
23 of 2000 by Pat Burke when that offer was
24 rejected, we will certainly provide you with
25 those names if you don't already have them.
0058
1 MR. KANE: Well, I'll tell you

1 MR. KANE: Well, I'll tell you
2 right now there was only one name that was
3 offered to me, and that was Dr. Sperry from
4 GBI."


waitasec.gif
, how many people does it take?
 
Again, you cite quotes from a prosecution team member. I have never demanded/insisted on having a statement from a forensics specialist, but I do thank you for the cite.

Rather does not mean precise. It signifies a choice, for example: I'll eat yellow cake, but would rather have chocolate.

Think I could get some cabernet to go with that cake?

Rainsong
 
Rainsong said:
Again, you cite quotes from a prosecution team member. I have never demanded/insisted on having a statement from a forensics specialist, but I do thank you for the cite.

Rather does not mean precise. It signifies a choice, for example: I'll eat yellow cake, but would rather have chocolate.

Think I could get some cabernet to go with that cake?

Rainsong
The synonym for rather means "more exactly" just as you have described it in your example (thank you for that) and more exactly means "to be more precise".

Sorry...no cabernet on hand, but I could offer you a nice cheese to go with your w(h)ine!
 
Moab said:
The synonym for rather means "more exactly" just as you have described it in your example (thank you for that) and more exactly means "to be more precise".

Sorry...no cabernet on hand, but I could offer you a nice cheese to go with your w(h)ine!

Not as I am usiing the word. In the phrase, 'her sister, rather her step-sister,' it would have the meaning of 'more precisely.' In the sentence in which I used it orginally, it signifies a preference.

Rainsong
 
In reading Moab's quote of PR's comments regarding the experts, I'm struck by her reference to "individuals"--as in the ransom note.
 
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