Is TH Responsible in any way for the Disappearance of Kyron? **NO DISCUSSION**

[Jo in Calif]

I'll just post my own opinion, which I realize may be in the minority view right now. But it will feel good to just blurt it out here. If I'm wrong later, I'll be one of the first to eat crow, I promise you.

But right now, I don't really like the fence very much, and unless there's big evidence out there to prove Terri wasn't involved - like finding another person who kidnapped Kyron - then she was the last person to see him alive.

So I haven't been on the fence for a long time and I don't see her as a victim. Frankly, I'm baffled why some people think murder for hire might be justified in a bad marriage - since when? A crime is a crime. Plotting is plotting. This whole thing is completely hinky to me.

The police aren't investigating Kaine as a bad father either. He is the one with custody of his daughter now, which Terri is not fighting against at all. Why should we assume that he was abusive and TH or her friends are hiding Kyron for his own good? And for what motive? Why not just contact the police and start proceedings against Kaine, then? But none of that has happened, so I think it's a big red herring. Otherwise she would have hidden her own precious daughter as well - but she didn't.

Here's the court affidavit about the sexting and the restraining order against Terri. This is real evidence. The cell phones and text messages, as well as images, are part of the court record and the evidence and were viewed by a judge "in camera" or in his chambers.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

These are not just rumors, but part of public court records and the judge saw the sexting photos and messages to both Cook and the landscaper before slapping a restraining order on Terri. He couldn't do that without just cause.

See the last two paragraphs and especially the last line in the image below - police have this evidence!

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

I like to look at what people do and not what they or their defense attorneys say.

Terri's story of the morning Kyron disappeared doesn't fit the circumstances. The police have said her cell phone records don't add up. Having not seen all the evidence we can't know for sure, but most of the time cell phones are indicators of where someone is at the time. They were used in the Peterson case and I don't know why we should just assume the police are wrong about her whereabouts.

I don't understand the whole thing about the doctor's note and the science fair, or why she didn't go back to get the project since she had the truck.

The police have her cell phone records with sexting and "lurid pictures" which is stated in court records. So she was being unfaithful with a landscaper who might have talked to her about murder for hire. Then she was quick to have an affair in the middle of the search for Kyron with her other sexting partner - an old friend of Kaine's! Sorry, but this is beginning to remind me of Scott Peterson and Amber Frey!

Kaine may not be a model husband, and it's a shame he left Desiree for Terri while she was pregnant - to me that's despicable if it's true. The whole extended family thing is sort of tragic and I feel sorry for the kids.

But that doesn't change the fact the Kaine and Desiree were NOT at the school that day and TH was. Trying to cast doubt on everyone else involved doesn't quite work in this case, anymore than it worked to blame homeless people in the Peterson case - and the defense tried that over and over.

JMO

Thank you for saving me a lot of typing, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Adding to this, I got somewhat of a smack down, for believing that LE enforcement had shared, with Kaine and D what they had uncovered in the investigation, this shows, as stated in the affidavit, that LE has giving them info on what they have uncovered.

 

[Calliope]

I got this off net to describe sociopaths maybe it will help with understanding certain behaviors

Problem is, we have no idea if Terri displayed these behaviors or not. In fact (as your source brings up), her alleged inability to pass more than one polygraph makes me think not.

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Like I said earlier today, I don't know what I think any more.

Last night, my head was spinning trying to make sense of all this, and I turned on the TV. The show was about half over, but as I started watching it was discussing a case of a 6 year old girl, Michelle Dorr, who went missing while on visitation with her father (mom had custody). His story was vague, a huge chunk of time unaccounted for, no real alibi. He was the last to have seen her alive. He failed polys. After this, police put on the pressure considering him the prime suspect. There was very strange behavior on his part, and with intense police pressure he (according to a psychiatrist) actually broke and ended up under psychiatric treatment. The girl's mom accused him of murdering Michelle, even to go as far as stating he told her he'd done it and where he'd buried the body. She made other public accusations that painted him as a monster. He even at one point confessed then recanted the confession. Police never had enough evidence to pin this on him, but although he remained free, he was a pariah. Everywhere he went, people knew he was the *advertiser censored* who'd murdered his daughter and got away with it.

Only he didn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadden_Clark#Murders (warning, the entry is beyond disturbing)

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/weird/clark/index_1.html

I saw this father being interviewed, telling what he went through during that time. To say he was haunted by this would be a major understatement, not only knowing how his little girl was murdered but that for years he was suspected of doing so. And I was struck at the similarities with this case, in how it was determined by so many that he was 'guilty' of killing his daughter.

 

[Emeralgem]

Thank you for posting that document! I had not seen that the sexting and texting came from LE. Now we know and it just confirms more odd behavior by TH. I question her motive behind that behavior, is she some sexpot who can't control herself, even under such grave circumstances as your stepson is missing, or is it further stuff she's throwing at Kaine to say, "Here take this!" Sometimes, I get the feeling we're all just seeing a bitter, dysfunctional marriage coming to a horrible end. AND I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE USE CHILDREN TO GET WHAT THEY WANT IN A DIVORCE! It happens so often, and it just makes me sick! Anyway, thanks for posting that!

Characteristics and traits of a NPD may anwer the questions you have concerning the motive behind the behavior..JMO

 

[PoppyH]

I believe Terri is responsible for Kyrons Dissappearance and his demise, I believe him to be deceased, god bless him.

 

[cj1132]

Based on the "facts" I have, which are few, I cannot say if TH is guilty or innocent. For all I know, maybe someone with a grudge against TY, took him. Maybe someone with a grudge against TY wormed his or her way into TH's life. Maybe a total stranger took him. I just don't know.

I know the odds are slim that Kyron is still alive, but sometimes I think about that possibility. On one hand, I imagine a little boy who knows his stepmom did this to him and on the other hand, I see someone using all the news videos showing this little boy that everyone thinks his stepmom did it and he's never going to get away. I wonder which would be worse -- knowing that the stepmom that you loved did this to you or knowing that the stepmom you loved is being blamed for something she didn't do. I don't know. JMO

 

[KopDog]

Maybe because I am a step-mom myself (no bio kids, just step to a teenager), I have been overly sensitive to accusations against TH and have really attempted to keep an open mind. God forbid any of us have a crisis in our lives and suddenly have to have an alibi for every second of the day. Trust me, every day we all have moments that we are not online, not talking on the phone, etc and just because someone didn't see you, doesn't mean you are up to no good. I was always put off by DY's comment that she knew from the 1st phone call that TH was responsible. Certainly tells me that they did not have the best relationship - and most certainly tainted/colored all information she had to process from the very beginning.

Very little information is actually fact in this case and evidenced by differing opinions by all the posters, there are multiple ways to interpret what we think we know.

One thing we know as fact, is that TH's lawyer has advised her to not fight the restraining order or the taking the house back order. These are facts. What we don't know for a fact is why. If they did fight them, TH would have to, under oath, discuss the murder for hire stuff and he clearly wants to avoid this fight in family court (vs the criminal court which will come if she is charged). I guess I get why he doesn't want to do it, but if I am a mom w/ a 20 mo daughter and I really had no part in murder for hire, I would be screaming from the rooftop. Bottom line - I am having a hard time making sense of where her head is on this one.

Regarding her involvement with the disappearance of Kyron - at this point I still say no. I might change my mind, but at this point 1) it just doesn't make sense why she would do it and I have seen too many pictures of happy family or examples of it (bowling the week before with one of his friends). they sorta seemed to have a normal, middle class life. you don't just wake up one morning and decide to kill a 7 year old unless you are mentally ill 2) no evidence that she did do it.

 

[Emma Peel]

I want to know if the information Kaine demanded (through his divorce counsel) to know about - the $350,000 paid retainer - is accurate - as to the retainer paid to Houze.

Because...IMO...THAT would sure say lots about the emminent Houze's expectation for the amount of defending of Terri that he's going to be doing over the next year or more...

If that retainer amount is for real, then Houze knows things - either from Terri or from LE or from both - that indicate this is real, and Houze is ready for a long haul.

:cow:

 

[1Chump]

I'll just post my own opinion, which I realize may be in the minority view right now. But it will feel good to just blurt it out here. If I'm wrong later, I'll be one of the first to eat crow, I promise you.

But right now, I don't really like the fence very much, and unless there's big evidence out there to prove Terri wasn't involved - like finding another person who kidnapped Kyron - then she was the last person to see him alive.

So I haven't been on the fence for a long time and I don't see her as a victim. Frankly, I'm baffled why some people think murder for hire might be justified in a bad marriage - since when? A crime is a crime. Plotting is plotting. This whole thing is completely hinky to me.

The police aren't investigating Kaine as a bad father either. He is the one with custody of his daughter now, which Terri is not fighting against at all. Why should we assume that he was abusive and TH or her friends are hiding Kyron for his own good? And for what motive? Why not just contact the police and start proceedings against Kaine, then? But none of that has happened, so I think it's a big red herring. Otherwise she would have hidden her own precious daughter as well - but she didn't.

Here's the court affidavit about the sexting and the restraining order against Terri. This is real evidence. The cell phones and text messages, as well as images, are part of the court record and the evidence and were viewed by a judge "in camera" or in his chambers.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

These are not just rumors, but part of public court records and the judge saw the sexting photos and messages to both Cook and the landscaper before slapping a restraining order on Terri. He couldn't do that without just cause.

See the last two paragraphs and especially the last line in the image below - police have this evidence!

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

I like to look at what people do and not what they or their defense attorneys say.

Terri's story of the morning Kyron disappeared doesn't fit the circumstances. The police have said her cell phone records don't add up. Having not seen all the evidence we can't know for sure, but most of the time cell phones are indicators of where someone is at the time. They were used in the Peterson case and I don't know why we should just assume the police are wrong about her whereabouts.

I don't understand the whole thing about the doctor's note and the science fair, or why she didn't go back to get the project since she had the truck.

The police have her cell phone records with sexting and "lurid pictures" which is stated in court records. So she was being unfaithful with a landscaper who might have talked to her about murder for hire. Then she was quick to have an affair in the middle of the search for Kyron with her other sexting partner - an old friend of Kaine's! Sorry, but this is beginning to remind me of Scott Peterson and Amber Frey!

Kaine may not be a model husband, and it's a shame he left Desiree for Terri while she was pregnant - to me that's despicable if it's true. The whole extended family thing is sort of tragic and I feel sorry for the kids.

But that doesn't change the fact the Kaine and Desiree were NOT at the school that day and TH was. Trying to cast doubt on everyone else involved doesn't quite work in this case, anymore than it worked to blame homeless people in the Peterson case - and the defense tried that over and over.

JMO

Thank you for posting this. It supports my opinion that I have no idea if TH is responsible or not because all we have heard are allegations. This motion is nothing but allegations. I have NEVER seen a motion that is all allegations without even one piece of supporting evidence. Just because an attorney says it, does not make it true.

After their allegations their should be a reference to the supporting documentation being attached as an exhibit. I can see if they had to keep the "evidence" sealed because of the LE investigation. But they have to "provide" the court with the evidence for the Judge to determine if the evidence supports the allegations. There should be references to attached exhibits and/or exhibit list but there is not.

IMO, when is this case going to be about Kyron. As it is, the focus has been placed on TH as a result of the divorce case that questions are not being asked. The media just sits there and reports whatever they are told to report.

IMO, As far as suspicious behavior of TH outside of allegations in the divorce papers, she has not done anything that others have not done. TH is not the only one who went to the gym although she no longer can. TH is not the only one who was not out searching for Kyron. TH was not the only one who refused to do interviews. Once TH was contained so she could not talk, is when interviews started.

IMO, the information we are receiving is being controlled to the point that we only hear what people want us to hear. The amount of control in this case regarding the media has caused me to have more questions and suspicions. Until I hear more, I cannot determine who is involved. The only ones I can rule out are the Mom and Step-Dad.

So I'll stay on the fence with my opinions that the media needs to start asking questions just like they would in any missing child case instead of accepting everything they are being told as true.

 

[BeanE]

At this point, I *think* it is most likely a predator that is responsible. I just don't see information that is strong enough to convince me that it is more likely Terri.

Terri is in my second place for most likely.

If it's not a predator, and not Terri, my third place for most likely is... open for candidates.

I'm waiting for more credible information from a reliable source (lol) before I would be able to move Terri (or anyone else) into my #1 spot for most likely.

 

[BeanE]

Here's the court affidavit about the sexting and the restraining order against Terri. This is real evidence. The cell phones and text messages, as well as images, are part of the court record and the evidence and were viewed by a judge "in camera" or in his chambers.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

These are not just rumors, but part of public court records and the judge saw the sexting photos and messages to both Cook and the landscaper before slapping a restraining order on Terri. He couldn't do that without just cause.

See the last two paragraphs and especially the last line in the image below - police have this evidence!

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

Regarding Terri and the landscaper, the only thing that document says is that there were overtures and concerns from Terri to the landscaper. The means of communicating those overture and concerns are never specified. It could have been verbally in person, verbally by phone, text messages, or smoke signals for all we know.

All references to sexting are clear to me to be in regards to MC, including the cell records viewed by the judge.

 

[Calliope]

I want to know if the information Kaine demanded (through his divorce counsel) to know about - the $350,000 paid retainer - is accurate - as to the retainer paid to Houze.

Because...IMO...THAT would sure say lots about the emminent Houze's expectation for the amount of defending of Terri that he's going to be doing over the next year or more...

If that retainer amount is for real, then Houze knows things - either from Terri or from LE or from both - that indicate this is real, and Houze is ready for a long haul.

:cow:

Or... it's not real, LE has nothing on Terri but can't find evidence pointing to anyone else, and so this is going to drag on for a long, long time.

 

[joshiesmom]

Until there is hard evidence that Terri did something to Kyron, I can't judge her as guilty.

She definitely has problems and does not appear to be someone I would want to associate with, but being dishonest & conniving does not automatically make her guilty of taking Kyron. It doesn't make her look good, but it doesn't prove a thing with regards to Kyron. All of the skeletons popping out of her closet are due to the scrutiny she's under. For all we know, Kaine has a bunch of skeletons in HIS closet, too, or Desiree or Tony... or you or me. I realize that the MFH allegation (still haven't seen any proof of that) is an ugly one & most people wouldn't have that particular 'skeleton' in their closet, but affairs & depression & drinking & dysfunctional family relationships? Yeah, I think lots of people would have skeletons like that, and if all of them were brought to light in a short period of time, it would make anyone look bad.

I do think that Terri's sexting is in poor taste & it makes me question WTH is going on in her head, but a part of me can sort of understand ~~ pretend she is innocent for a second... so... she's innocent but has lost her daughter, her stepson she loves, her friends, her financial security (husband), her life is a huge mess because EVERYONE is convinced she's guilty and she can't prove she's not and the stupid things she's done in the past are now coming back to haunt her and her lawyer is telling her to keep her mouth shut, so she can't defend herself against the horrible things being said about her at every turn. The emotional pain of being betrayed by everyone she thought was a friend leaves her reeling & maybe she is clinically depressed like Kaine said she is. So maybe she feels like, "Oh well... they all think I did it, but here's this guy who says he likes me, so I'll talk to him." Maybe she has a screwed-up reference for sex and she, like so many other women, thinks that she has to be willing to 'put out' to keep a man interested. It is not uncommon for a person to "rebound" and get involved in a sexual relationship right after breaking up with someone else. Maybe Terri had it in her mind that SHE would be the one to leave Kaine when the time was right for her and she was hurt that he left her first... you know, that mindframe that says, "I can leave him, but he can't be without me." So when he left her and filed for divorce, she could have been shaken by that, and thus, she responded to the first guy that came her way (MC). Is that inappropriate in light of Kyron's disappearance? Yes, in my opinion, it is. However, like I said, she'd already lost everything, so I'm guessing her emotional state wasn't the best, and that could have affected her judgment.

I'm NOT trying to make excuses for her... honestly, I'm not. I am just explaining why I can't be sure that every stupid thing Terri's done shows that she is definitely involved in Kyron's disappearance.

I don't have a lovefest going on for Terri at all, but I can't get past the thought that if LE had ANY proof that she was involved in Kyron's disappearance, they'd have arrested her by now. I freely admit this is only the 2nd case I've ever followed in-depth (the first was Nadia Bloom & that was different), so I don't know if LE routinely knows for certain that a person is guilty BEFORE they arrest them, but I've always thought that if they knew you did something, they'd arrest you for it; therefore, it seems as though while Terri has done a lot of things that are viewed by public majority as reprehensible, she might not actually be guilty where it pertains to Kyron's disappearance.

I think that DY desperately wants to blame SOMEONE because she feels guilty for her own past choices with regards to Kyron and blaming someone else is a predictable action. I do wonder if a lot of her certainty that TH is responsible is colored by her personal opinion of TH versus any kind of factual information. I think it's obvious that DY would blame TH even if TH wasn't actually guilty, and now she has a public platform for getting out all of the things she dislikes about TH that she's bottled up for all these years. Shrug... I don't know... I just get the sense that some of DY's vehemence against TH is influenced by past emotions/experiences rather than what is happening right now. That's understandable, of course. I know I'd be ready to throttle anyone who was entrusted to take care of my child if something happened on their watch whether or not they had anything to do with it, and that is why I sympathize with DY, but I'm not going to judge TH as guilty just because DY/TY/KH does.

Anyway, bottom line for me is that the speculation, while thought-provoking & very interesting, is still just that ~ people bouncing theories & ideas around ~ and I don't want to come down from the fence on one side or the other until some concrete evidence gets put out on the table. I won't be surprised if TH is arrested eventually, but I also won't be surprised if it comes to light that TH had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance. At this point, I feel it could go either way, but all I really want is for Kyron to be found.

 

[jessicat]

I haven't read thru all the posts here but I do want to say this as far as TH is concerned...I know I posted this very early on but here goes again. I am a stepmom of 2 kids. My husband and I also have a child together. That being said...when we were pregnant..wait..when I was pregnant my stepson who was 7 at the time was so worried we would forget about him and pay more attention to the "new" baby. We had to constantly reassure him that he would not be treated differently and in fact the first time he came to see me at the hospital we immediately let him hold his baby brother. Now 4 yrs later they are very, very close and he is an awesome big bro. Now for the opposite...my stepsons mom who I might add has given us so much trouble..she is now remarried but was with this winner of a guy for awhile b4 getting married..anyway she had the kids start calling him dad and on 2 diff occasions asked my hubby if he would sign his rights over (yes I just typed that). Unbelievable..but to me what she wanted and still does to this day it seems is to "start over" with this guy and forget she was ever married to my husband and make a new family for herself. Its kinda weird. So what I am getting at is maybe TH and KH had their baby, maybe TH started to treat little Kyron differently, maybe TH wanted KH to be all to herself and little baby K. In other words she just wants her little family and nobody else and getting Kyron out of the pic is the answer...also her son is not in the home either. I hope I'm making sense here. If not let me know and I will see if I can say it differently. I'm on and off the fence too at times. I do know from my own personal experience there can be some strange and crazy reasons why people do/act/say the way they do and not all of them are within the law..KWIM?

 

[Cheewawa007]

OT:
Steadfast; I'm sitting at work reading as a guest, saw the picture of your dog on the chair with WS on the laptop and had to log in to say - HOW PRECIOUS!!!!!

 

[tiredblondy]

Ok I've known a person like Terri and I keep asking myself what did she have in mind if she is behind this??? For example I can see if Kyron has been murdered it could have been for revenge but what was her plan if she has just hidden him???Was it so she could be the one to find him??? If she was behind a kidnapping or hiding him why??? What would be the gain to that unless she found him and got all the glory.

 

[nursebeeme]

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR THE MEEK!

If you get upset about other opinions that differ from your own, then please exit quietly. :blushing:

This is for the debate of TH's involvement. There is a lot of spattering of this topic through the threads and it's getting distracting.

Remember, keep your posts from addressing other posters directly when you have an opposing view.

Thank you Kimster for this thread. I quote your opening post because I love it: "this thread is not for the meek"

I have never been sitting on the fence. I believe Terri did this and it was planned.

While not all of what leads me to believe the above comes directly from LE, I believe personally that things "leaked" to the media come from somewhere and so I take that information into account.

-my suspicion of TMH started on the day that I saw her picture on the LE flier

-my suspicion was further hammered home when I heard about the murder for hire plot. A human being who will stoop to that level is capable of anything.

-than a judge grants a restraining order against her and Kaine files for divorce. The reason: his wife was trying to kill him!

-than there were the polys

-and than she was sexting to Kaine's high school friend and sending sexually graphic photos of herself to him... and in court documents they were similar to those she sent the landscaper she tried to hire to kill her husband

-body language at the presser...

-LE telling the public nothing to fear at the school and that this is an isolated incident

-a judge than signs search warrants (probable cause needed for those!) for the homes of her friends.

-one of her friends has since lawyered up and has been to a GJ... and she didn't testify. I personally think she will testify later with transactional immunity

and gosh there is sooooo much more but these are just a few reasons why I am ever convinced that TMH is the person with the means to do this. After hearing in the audio interview about her problems with drugs, alcohol, and lying I am really starting to get a feel of her personality and think she seriously has a lot of personality issues.

note to the fence sitters: I respect your opinions and when this is all said and done if I am wrong I will be the first to admit that I was wrong.

At this time, I am convinced more than ever that Terri was responsible.


(((big fat mooo on top ))

 

[tiredblondy]

OH and I forgot to ask BeanE where can I get a tinfoil hat???

 

[mydailyopinions]

Here is what I think at this point:

I think that Terri is up to her neck in Kyron's disappearance. I personally believe it is due to an affair that is not with MC, I believe that 3 weeks after Kyron went missing she started worrying that LE would find out about her affair with another person, and because of their possible plans for the future, she tried hiding what was going on in that relationship by faking another relationship.. Kyron possibly knew something or seen something that spooked her to set her plan into action.

If my child was missing, the last thing that I would be worried about is how much LE is focusing on me. The process of elimination is what all parents go through in this situation, and my opinion is that she has fully acted as if she is guilty. I thoroughly understand being in shock on day 1 enough to maybe not remember what I was doing all day, but for goodness sakes, Cindy Anthony was able to recall almost an entire month of daily activities...why can't this woman recall one day?

I am one of those who goes by my first reaction to any case...if something seems off, it more than likely is. MSM had nothing to do with the way I feel other than airing the first news conference with Desiree, Tony, Kaine and Terri. Terri IMHO clearly was not acting as a mother of a child, nor stepchild who had been missing, she was faking every single lick of it.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Regarding Terri and the landscaper, the only thing that document says is that there were overtures and concerns from Terri to the landscaper. The means of communicating those overture and concerns are never specified. It could have been verbally in person, verbally by phone, text messages, or smoke signals for all we know.

All references to sexting are clear to me to be in regards to MC, including the cell records viewed by the judge.

I believe Terri's text messages or at least phone calls are what led police to this landscaper guy. They didn't know about him before looking at her cellphone - they went to him, not the other way around. And then they found Michael Cook, and she's doing the same behavior with him - it shows a pattern, which I believe is their point in the court papers.

Also, she waited just a few days after leaving home before she actually got into a sexual relationship with Michael Cook. I believe that is by his admission - plus the hundreds of text messages and photographs of people in "undress."

Hundreds of text messages - not smoke signals. Was her mind on these kids while she was writing hundreds of text messages to a man who is not her husband? The texting happened while the search for Kyron was going on!

 

[1Chump]

Yes, it is real and it happened. The sexting is listed in court filings as a reason for a restraining order keeping TH away from the house and her daughter. It says the proof is in the cell phone records that are part of the body of evidence.

You can read the affidavit. If this was in question, the restraining order probably wouldn't have been okay'd by a judge. He viewed the cell phone records "in camera" or in his chambers.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

I'll add that to my post if it isn't too late to edit.

IMO, the sexting etc...is all allegations that not only do not need proven for the Order that is being requesting but completely unnecessary for the Order.

The Order has not been entered. The motion is asking for an Order. Read the Order. The Order is about the allegation that TH showed the restraining order to MC and allowed him to take a picture.

There is nothing in the Order about any of the other allegations of emails and sexting. So there is nothing to prove regarding those allegations. IMO, those were listed strictly for public speculation.

On page 3, line 17 of the affidavit states:

"Petitioner's attorney has also reviewed Mr. Cook's work cell phone records." That is the only time that the attorney is referenced as having personal knowledge. Everything else are allegations by Kaine that have nothing to do with the Order.

The "in camera" review would only pertain to the alledged "photographs" of the restraining order. That is the only documents they need for their motion that TH showed the restraining order to MC and allowed him to copy them.

IMO, even if TH's attorney requested to see the documents relating to all the other allegations, the SA would fight it. IMO, the SA would also win. Because any documents are part of an on-going investigation and has absoluting nothing to do with the Order that is being requested.