Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[margarita25]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/title-2429410

Audio version:

Antisemitism in America - The Whole Story with Anderson Cooper - Podcast on CNN Audio

Antisemitism has been on the rise in America, and it's only gotten worse since the October 7th attack on Israel. Dana Bash looks at what's been happening and examines why the problem is growing.

www.cnn.com

“Antisemitism has been on the rise in America, and it's only gotten worse since the October 7th attack on Israel. Dana Bash looks at what's been happening and examines why the problem is growing.”
(length: 48 minutes)

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Eta: “The FBI recently warned anti-semitism is reaching historic levels…”

Eta2:
The above link is to audio/podcast version

 

[Friday Fan]

The Israeli Army escorts Times journalists to Al-Shifa, a focus of its invasion.

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Col. Elad Tsury, commander of Israel’s Seventh Brigade, said Israeli forces, fearing booby traps, had not ventured down the shaft at the hospital, Al-Shifa. He said it had been discovered earlier in the day under a pile of sand on the northern perimeter of the complex.

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In the darkness, it was unclear where the shaft led or how deep it went, although the military said it had sent a drone down at least several meters. Electrical wiring was visible inside, along with a metal staircase.
snip....
The controlled visit will not settle the question of whether Hamas, the armed Palestinian group that rules Gaza, has been using Al-Shifa Hospital to hide weapons and command centers, as Israel has said.
snip.....
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Friday that Israeli forces had found proof of their allegations about Al-Shifa. There were “a lot of terrorists there,” he said in an interview with National Public Radio, but “they fled as our forces approached the hospital.”
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Another military official said Israeli troops had captured and interrogated a Hamas operative at the hospital but offered no further detail.



Satellite imagery shows a water plant in Gaza City burned down amid a dire water shortage.



Fire has gutted a water treatment plant on the outskirts of Gaza City, satellite images captured on Thursday and Friday show — the latest evidence of damage to water infrastructure amid an increasingly dire shortage of clean water.

It was not clear what caused the fire, or how recently the plant had been operating.

 

[RANCH]

.....If only....

Someone hadn't pushed the HUGE GIANT RED GO Button in the early pre-dawn hours of 10-7-23, and started this murder and mayhem.

I am looking at you, HAMAS...

MOO and Peace

Yes. It's clear to me that the cause of all the deaths in this war and I mean all, every single one, is because Hamas attacked innocent Israeli citizens starting on 10-7.

There was absolutely no justification to kill and kidnap all of those innocent people. JMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Is your link MSM?

I did find this. Seems to show that the Israeli Ambassador did show some video to the Belgium committee. Somethings not right here.

'Israel is doing the same against Hamas as the West did against IS', says Israeli ambassador

Israel's ambassador to Belgium, Idit Rosenzweig-Abu, has compared the Israeli army's military operation in Gaza against Hamas to that of the...

www.belganewsagency.eu

I found several articles reporting the same thing. Your link indicates the video was shown in 2017.

JMO

'Israeli propaganda': Belgian parliament refuses to screen videos of Hamas atrocities

The Israeli embassy request denied on the grounds that it was an attempt to whitewash 'war crimes'; In Geneva, Israeli officials called for the Red Cross to gain access to the hostages

www.ynetnews.com

Wouter De Vriendt, a representative of the Green Party, leveled accusations at the ambassador: "More than 4,000 children have already perished in bombings. How many more need to die before you take action?" he said. He pointed out that some political figures in Israel are discussing ethnic cleansing and genocide. "The elimination of a Hamas leader that resulted in the death of civilians is a scandal, especially for a nation like Israel. They constitute war crimes," he said.

"You're targeting schools, mosques, and United Nations employees. I had anticipated that a democratic nation like Israel would maintain higher standards. I was supportive of Israel right after the October 7th attack, but I can no longer sustain that stance. The brutality needs to stop."

 

[RANCH]

I wish Israel would stop the bombing and allow the necessary aide to be delivered. "If wishes were fishes we'd have a great fry."

I wish that would be feasible. But it's not. Hamas needs to stop and surrender. JMO.

 

[Cryptic]

Someone hadn't pushed the HUGE GIANT RED GO Button in the early pre-dawn hours of 10-7-23, and started this murder and mayhem.

I am looking at you, HAMAS...

And that Go Button was linked to the mass murder of civilians from the start.

The scale and nature of the murders went way beyond the work of a few Bad Apples in action.

 

[JennieM]

Thousands of bodies lie buried in rubble in Gaza. Families dig to retrieve them, often by hand​

[video at link]

DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — The wreckage goes on for block after devastated block. The smell is sickening. Every day, hundreds of people claw through tons of rubble with shovels and iron bars and their bare hands.

They are looking for the bodies of their children. Their parents. Their neighbors. All of them killed in Israeli missile strikes. The corpses are there, somewhere in the endless acres of destruction.

[…]

Thousands of bodies lie buried in rubble in Gaza. Families dig to retrieve them, often by hand

Rescuers in Gaza don’t have the equipment to search properly for the living, let alone the dead.

apnews.com

 

[PommyMommy]

Sorry but I find this difficult to believe.
Considering what they've already done.
If someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Omo.

Oh, don't be sorry. I don't believe it for a minute. It sounds to me like they're setting the stage to explain the deaths of the hostages. MOO

 

[Wishbone]

I wish that would be feasible. But it's not. Hamas needs to stop and surrender. JMO.

IDF needs to stop dropping bombs and denying necessities

 

[Friday Fan]

Was this posted here? If so, I missed it. What care centers?

Hamas claims Israeli hostages not kept in Gaza hospitals

Hamas' armed wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, said on Friday that "Zionist" hostages were not held in hospitals b

www.jpost.com

Hamas' armed wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, said on Friday that "Zionist" hostages were not held in hospitals but were transferred to care centers for treatment due to the seriousness of their condition and to save their lives.

9h ago
(17:40 GMT)

Hamas says some Israeli captives have been taken to hospitals for medical treatment​

The Qassam Brigades said in a statement that since the war began, it brought a number of Israeli captives to healthcare facilities to receive treatment due to “serious health conditions”.
Hamas’s armed wing said the statement was in response to Israeli “falsehoods” alleging that the group was holding Israeli captives in hospitals.
Most recently, it said, one of the captives was moved to a facility’s intensive care unit and when he recovered, he was moved back to “his place of detention”.
But the captive died due to a series of panic attacks as a result of repeated Israeli bombardment nearby, the Qassam Brigades said. “We will release documents proving this,” the group said.

Israel-Hamas war updates: Aid groups warn Israel’s siege strangling Gaza

These were the Israel-Hamas war updates for Friday, November 17.

www.aljazeera.com

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I think this comes about, after the elderly gentleman (hostage) died today.
Keep in mind, they did provide some care for one of the released hostages. Mainly because hostages are bargaining chips.

I would think by having them close to hospitals, they are able to get stuff they need.

 

[RANCH]

I found several articles reporting the same thing. Your link indicates the video was shown in 2017.

JMO

'Israeli propaganda': Belgian parliament refuses to screen videos of Hamas atrocities

The Israeli embassy request denied on the grounds that it was an attempt to whitewash 'war crimes'; In Geneva, Israeli officials called for the Red Cross to gain access to the hostages

www.ynetnews.com

Wouter De Vriendt, a representative of the Green Party, leveled accusations at the ambassador: "More than 4,000 children have already perished in bombings. How many more need to die before you take action?" he said. He pointed out that some political figures in Israel are discussing ethnic cleansing and genocide. "The elimination of a Hamas leader that resulted in the death of civilians is a scandal, especially for a nation like Israel. They constitute war crimes," he said.

"You're targeting schools, mosques, and United Nations employees. I had anticipated that a democratic nation like Israel would maintain higher standards. I was supportive of Israel right after the October 7th attack, but I can no longer sustain that stance. The brutality needs to stop."

My link is dated November 14th 2023 and talks about current events.

Please don't try to confuse things. The 2017 date is talking about coalition attacks on Mosul and Raqqa against Isis. It doesn't help the discussion and will get this thread closed.

This second link you provide is not something I recognize.
What is ynet.news?

Gaza’s Urban Warfare Challenge: Lessons from Mosul and Raqqa

The differences and parallels between urban battlefield circumstances in Gaza, Iraq, and Syria give U.S. policymakers a sobering but clear view of what exactly they will be committing to in supporting Israel’s ground campaign.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

 

[MyBelle]

The US financially supports both Palestinians and Israelis.

The US is providing Humanitarian aid to Palestinians and I have no issue with it. But Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid and 99.7% of it goes to Israel's military....who are slaughtering Palestinian civilians.

JMO

How much aid does the US give to Israel? - USAFacts

Israel has received more foreign aid from the US than any other country since WWII.

usafacts.org

The United States committed over $3.3 billion in foreign assistance to Israel in 2022, the most recent year for which data exists.[1] About $8.8 million of that went toward the country's economy, while 99.7% of the aid went to the Israeli military...

Since WWII, the US has provided more foreign aid to Israel than to any other country.​

 

[JennieM]

Analysis

IDF evidence so far falls well short of al-Shifa hospital being Hamas HQ​

Julian Borger in Washington

Even the videos produced so far have raised questions under scrutiny. A BBC analysis found the footage of an IDF spokesperson showing the apparent discovery of a bag containing a gun behind an MRI scanning machine, had been taped hours before the arrival of the journalists to whom he was supposedly showing it.

In a video shown later, the number of guns in the bag had doubled. The IDF claimed its video of what it found at the hospital was unedited, filmed in a single take, but the BBC analysis found it had been edited.

“Israel has failed to provide anywhere even close to the level of evidence required to justify the narrow exception under which hospitals can be targeted under the laws of war”

IDF evidence so far falls well short of al-Shifa hospital being Hamas HQ

Footage to date fails to prove Gaza complex was nerve centre for attacks on Israel, as military had claimed

www.theguardian.com

 

[PommyMommy]

The Israeli Army escorts Times journalists to Al-Shifa, a focus of its invasion.

snip..
Col. Elad Tsury, commander of Israel’s Seventh Brigade, said Israeli forces, fearing booby traps, had not ventured down the shaft at the hospital, Al-Shifa. He said it had been discovered earlier in the day under a pile of sand on the northern perimeter of the complex.

snip...
In the darkness, it was unclear where the shaft led or how deep it went, although the military said it had sent a drone down at least several meters. Electrical wiring was visible inside, along with a metal staircase.
snip....
The controlled visit will not settle the question of whether Hamas, the armed Palestinian group that rules Gaza, has been using Al-Shifa Hospital to hide weapons and command centers, as Israel has said.
snip.....
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Friday that Israeli forces had found proof of their allegations about Al-Shifa. There were “a lot of terrorists there,” he said in an interview with National Public Radio, but “they fled as our forces approached the hospital.”
snip,,,,,,
Another military official said Israeli troops had captured and interrogated a Hamas operative at the hospital but offered no further detail.



Satellite imagery shows a water plant in Gaza City burned down amid a dire water shortage.

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Fire has gutted a water treatment plant on the outskirts of Gaza City, satellite images captured on Thursday and Friday show — the latest evidence of damage to water infrastructure amid an increasingly dire shortage of clean water.

It was not clear what caused the fire, or how recently the plant had been operating.

Noting (from the first link):

The extent of the damage to the [Al-Shifa] hospital was not entirely clear. But its main emergency building appeared intact, with electricity, after a dayslong siege that health officials say had resulted in increasingly dire conditions.

 

[JennieM]

41s ago

Fuel enters Gaza as phone blackout lifts​

A first consignment of fuel has entered Gaza after Israel bowed to US pressure for limited deliveries to allow wastewater treatment and the resumption of communications after a two-day blackout, Agence France-Press reports.

The first delivery arrived from Egypt late on Friday as Israel pressed its offensive, combing the Gaza Strip’s largest hospital, al-Shifa, for the Hamasoperations centre it says lies beneath.

Israel’s war cabinet unanimously agreed on Friday to allow two fuel tankers a day “to run the wastewater treatment facilities ... which are facing collapse due to the lack of electricity”, national security adviser Tzachi Hanegbi said.

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) said 70% of residents had no access to clean water in south Gaza, where raw sewage has started to flow on the streets.

Under the deal, 140,000 litres (37,000 gallons) of fuel will be allowed in every 48 hours, of which 20,000 litres will be earmarked for generators to restore the phone network, a US official said.

Communications have been down for two days after fuel ran out, and a first consignment of about 17,000 litres was earmarked for telecommunications company Paltel. The communications blackout hampered aid deliveries, UNRWA said.

Israeli forces ‘determined to advance’, says military – as it happened

Daniel Hagari’s comments come amid mounting concerns about Israeli plans to expand military operations where people have sought refuge from fighting

www.theguardian.com

 

[MyBelle]

Analysis

IDF evidence so far falls well short of al-Shifa hospital being Hamas HQ​

Julian Borger in Washington

IDF evidence so far falls well short of al-Shifa hospital being Hamas HQ

Footage to date fails to prove Gaza complex was nerve centre for attacks on Israel, as military had claimed

www.theguardian.com

I've been very impressed with the world's media coverage!

JMO

 

[Teche]

There apparently is plenty of evidence. The media has called out Israel and President Biden for the propaganda and "war crimes." The priority should be the return of the hostages, not shooting civilian children, their mother and grandmother driving down the road. It took me several attempts to read this link because the examples were so sickening. smh

JMO

Israel’s Ludicrous Propaganda Wins Over the Only Audience That Counts

Why make an effort to be credible if you’re going to be uncritically echoed by the White House and Western press?

www.thenation.com

A few examples will suffice. On November 5, Israel bombed a car travelling from South Lebanon to Beirut. The IDF told the press that it “struck a vehicle in Lebanese territory that was identified as a suspicious vehicle containing several terrorists.”

In fact, as Human Rights Watch later established, the car was civilian, containing a grandmother, a mother, and three young girls. The mother was wounded; the grandmother and girls were killed.

Human Rights Watch concluded that this was an “apparent war crime” and “the attack on a vehicle containing only fleeing civilians shows reckless disregard by the Israeli military for its obligation to distinguish between civilian and military objects and a significant failure to take adequate safeguards to prevent civilian deaths.” Israel has promised an investigation, but based on previous experience that is likely to be slow and result only in a tepid admission of error.

Is there any mention of the October 7th Hamas mass attack on Israel that started this war? Are these horrid attacks not considered war crimes?

 

[margarita25]

Dbm

 

[PommyMommy]

9h ago
(17:40 GMT)

Hamas says some Israeli captives have been taken to hospitals for medical treatment​

The Qassam Brigades said in a statement that since the war began, it brought a number of Israeli captives to healthcare facilities to receive treatment due to “serious health conditions”.
Hamas’s armed wing said the statement was in response to Israeli “falsehoods” alleging that the group was holding Israeli captives in hospitals.
Most recently, it said, one of the captives was moved to a facility’s intensive care unit and when he recovered, he was moved back to “his place of detention”.
But the captive died due to a series of panic attacks as a result of repeated Israeli bombardment nearby, the Qassam Brigades said. “We will release documents proving this,” the group said.

Israel-Hamas war updates: Aid groups warn Israel’s siege strangling Gaza

These were the Israel-Hamas war updates for Friday, November 17.

www.aljazeera.com

___________________

I think this comes about, after the elderly gentleman (hostage) died today.
Keep in mind, they did provide some care for one of the released hostages. Mainly because hostages are bargaining chips.

I would think by having them close to hospitals, they are able to get stuff they need.

They provided some care? The hostages should never have been in Gaza to begin with.

And, this is rich:

But the captive died due to a series of panic attacks as a result of repeated Israeli bombardment ...

NO. He died because he was kidnapped by Hamas terrorists and taken to Gaza. MOO

ETA: "Hamas says..." PULEASSSSEEE

 

[JennieM]

3m ago

Israel’s attack on Gaza’s largest hospital has sparked accusations of war crimes, but Israel says it falls within the boundaries of international law. In case you missed this earlier, we look at what humanitarian law says about hospitals, whether they can be targeted in military attacks, and what happens if a hospital loses its protected status.


Read more
Can hospitals be military targets? What international law says

Israeli forces ‘determined to advance’, says military – as it happened

Daniel Hagari’s comments come amid mounting concerns about Israeli plans to expand military operations where people have sought refuge from fighting

www.theguardian.com