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So hamas doesn't protect their journalist?
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Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #12
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According to the WSJ, one of the gaps in the negotiations is the fact that Israel had wanted the hostages to be handed first to the Red Cross and then transferred to Israel, while Hamas wants to give them straight to Egypt.
The report also says that Israel has demanded the Red Cross have access to the hostages still in Gaza, and Hamas has not agreed.
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He says Doha has received the list of names of the civilians the Hamas terror group will free on the first day of the deal, out of at least four groups.
Asked about other countries’ hostages, he says the initial focus “was on getting the women and children out of harm’s way” as a priority, and speaks of “expanding the pause through the formula of getting more hostages out.”
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“The relevant officials are checking the details of the list and are currently in contact with all families,” the statement says.
WSJ report: Egypt says it has received list of first 10 Israeli hostages to be released
A report in the Wall Street Journal cites an Egyptian official saying that Cairo has received a list of the 10 hostages held by Hamas who would be released first, amid ongoing delays in realizing a truce deal.[...]
According to the WSJ, one of the gaps in the negotiations is the fact that Israel had wanted the hostages to be handed first to the Red Cross and then transferred to Israel, while Hamas wants to give them straight to Egypt.
The report also says that Israel has demanded the Red Cross have access to the hostages still in Gaza, and Hamas has not agreed.
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Qatar: Ceasefire to kick off tomorrow at 7 a.m., 13 hostages will be freed at 4 p.m.
[...]He says Doha has received the list of names of the civilians the Hamas terror group will free on the first day of the deal, out of at least four groups.
Asked about other countries’ hostages, he says the initial focus “was on getting the women and children out of harm’s way” as a priority, and speaks of “expanding the pause through the formula of getting more hostages out.”
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PM’s office says Israel has received initial list of hostages to be freed from Gaza
After Qatar’s announcement about the hostage deal going into effect tomorrow, the Prime Minister’s Office confirms that Israel has received an “initial” list of names of abductees expected to go free.“The relevant officials are checking the details of the list and are currently in contact with all families,” the statement says.
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The military says the tunnels are connected to an electricity network and were used by Hamas. One of them was found in a search of the home of a different senior member of the terror group.
At the home of the first official, in addition to weapons, troops also located many documents and battle plans, which have been handed to intelligence forces for examination.
The troops also found shafts used to launch rockets, alongside long-range rockets of the type used to target central Israel.
“We have reached the heart of Hamas’s deployment,” says the brigade commander, Col. Benny Aharon.
IDF locates weapons under beds of top Hamas member’s kids, as well as 4 deep tunnels
The IDF says fighters from its Brigade 401 operating on the outskirts of Gaza’s Jabaliya have located four “significant” tunnels dug deep underground, as well as a stash of weapons hidden under the beds of a senior Hamas member’s kids and in closets.The military says the tunnels are connected to an electricity network and were used by Hamas. One of them was found in a search of the home of a different senior member of the terror group.
At the home of the first official, in addition to weapons, troops also located many documents and battle plans, which have been handed to intelligence forces for examination.
The troops also found shafts used to launch rockets, alongside long-range rockets of the type used to target central Israel.
“We have reached the heart of Hamas’s deployment,” says the brigade commander, Col. Benny Aharon.
"My son died because he was trying to deliver the voice of the truth to the world," she said.
In the weeks before his death, Saliem acknowledged the grave risks that came with documenting the war — but he also said he did not believe the deaths of so many journalists in Gaza was random. _______________
Israel's military vigorously denies that it deliberately tries to kill or target journalists in Gaza, Lebanon or the West Bank.
But as the death toll mounts, advocates of press freedom say they find those denials harder to accept.
"It has been the most shocking and awful slaughter of journalists that I am aware of ever," said Tim Dawson, the deputy general secretary of the International Federation of Journalists.
His Brussels-based group claims more than 600,000 members globally, made up of trade unions and journalism associations.
"My real fear is that there is a deliberate attempt to try and keep the world's eyes off Gaza since the seventh of October," he said.
Others who work to ensure the safety of journalists and media organizations echo his concerns.
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Just want to point out that confusion can be avoided by using the format below:"A breakthrough in the case of Hamas hostages.
'They want to use the situation tactically'.
View attachment 463111
Israel and Hamas agreed on a four-day truce and the release of hostages held in the Gaza Strip.
- 'From Israel's perspective, the return of 50 people from captivity is a big success. However, the situation does not aim to completely extinguish the conflict',
says an Israel analyst.
The situation does not aim to completely extinguish the conflict
- 'At this point, the fuel for this conflict is running out' -
says an Israel analyst from the Institute of International Affairs.
He emphasizes that
'for several weeks this has been the case and people have been talking about the need for a moment of respite, some form of ceasefire.
And he emphasizes that the moment to cease fire is needed to help the civilian population. -
'So that humanitarian and material aid reaches those most in need, and this is practically the entire Gaza Strip at the moment.
- Hamas wants to take advantage of the situation tactically, hence the suspension of Israeli air operations.
Not only combat ones, but also reconnaissance ones.
So this is a moment for Hamas to regroup'.
The expert emphasizes that the important question is how all this will be implemented.
'Will there be any attempts at provocation, attempts to break the agreement, or renegotiate the terms?'
- he enumerates.
'Hostages are a tool of influence - the strongest that Hamas has'
He points out that the provisions of the agreement include a condition that a ceasefire day can be guaranteed for every 10 hostages.
'But it is doubtful that Hamas would decide to release everyone in such a case, extending the war silence for a few weeks',
- he says.
The expert notes that
Israel will strive to defeat Hamas.
'The question is whether they will have enough money and time for this.
Conducting hostilities in the Gaza Strip involves a lot of forces and resources,
not only strictly military ones',
he adds."
Przełom ws. zakładników Hamasu. "Chcą wykorzystać sytuację taktycznie"- WP Wiadomosci
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From my country's MSM
PS
The whole post is a quotation of the MSM article.
Just pointing out
[*quote]insert the text you wish to quote here[*/quote]
Remove the little * within the [ ] but leave the words quote and /quote
It'll end up looking just like this.
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Following indisputable evidence indicating the Shifa Hospital served as a Hamas command and control center, the director of the hospital was apprehended and transferred for questioning by the ISA.
Not only did Hamas exploit the hospital's electricity and resources to build and sustain an extensive network of terrorist tunnels under it, its terrorists also sought refuge there immediately after committing the massacre of October 7, taking Israeli hostages with them.
Not only did Hamas exploit the hospital's electricity and resources to build and sustain an extensive network of terrorist tunnels under it, its terrorists also sought refuge there immediately after committing the massacre of October 7, taking Israeli hostages with them.
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Or maybe is the universal language of communicating when multiple languages are involved ... aka ... aviation. It's possible too that whoever is doing the texting was also aware that the hostage was able to speak english thus assumed family members could too - they did after all get the phone number to text.It looks that way to me! Maybe your friend, who is proficient in English is doing the texting.
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Once again, more evidence of Hamas’ cynical mistreatment of Gazan civilians.
During an IDF operation in the outskirts of Jabaliya, our troops found a large number of weapons and ammunition hidden under children’s beds and inside bedrooms, in a civilian building linked to to a senior Hamas operative.
Children should be surrounded by toys and books—not weapons.
During an IDF operation in the outskirts of Jabaliya, our troops found a large number of weapons and ammunition hidden under children’s beds and inside bedrooms, in a civilian building linked to to a senior Hamas operative.
Children should be surrounded by toys and books—not weapons.
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I agree, Hamas has created a concentration camp for it's citizens. Such a shame, cutting off all opportunities for a successful, independent free enterprise economy free of Hamas.
PA 1.7 billion towards paying citizens who STOPPED working when hamas took over Hamas spends the taxes for military, while it's people struggle to survive.
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Israel says the heavy restrictions on trade and movement are needed to keep Hamas from enhancing its military capability, while critics view it as a form of collective punishment. Israel and Hamas have fought four wars since 2008, the most recent in May.
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- A look at the billions of dollars in foreign aid to Gaza
Gaza’s Hamas rulers collect millions of dollars a month in taxes and customs at a crossing on the Egyptian border – providing a valuable source of income that helps it sustain a government and powerful armed wing. After surviving four wars and a nearly 15-year blockade, Hamas has become more resilient and Israel has been forced to accept that its sworn enemy is here to stay. (AP Photo/ Khalil Hamra)
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BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published 7:48 AM EST, December 20, 2021
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The aid is intended to ease the burden on civilians of an Israeli-Egyptian blockade imposed on Gaza when the Islamic militant group seized power from rival Palestinian forces in 2007.
Israel says the heavy restrictions on trade and movement are needed to keep Hamas from enhancing its military capability, while critics view it as a form of collective punishment. Israel and Hamas have fought four wars since 2008, the most recent in May.
Israel closely supervises aid to try to ensure it bypasses Hamas. But the Hamas-run government benefits from foreign countries footing the bill for schools, hospitals and infrastructure, allowing it to conserve its own resources, including the taxes and customs it collects.
Here’s a look at the main forms of international aid to Gaza:
From 2014-2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza, including $600 million in 2020 alone. More than 80% of that funding is channeled through the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, who make up three-fourths of Gaza’s population. Some 280,000 children in Gaza attend schools run by UNRWA, which also provides health services and food aid.
— Qatar has provided $1.3 billion in aid to Gaza since 2012 for construction, health services and agriculture. That includes $360 million pledged in January for 2021 and another $500 million pledged for reconstruction after the war in May. Qatar’s aid also goes to needy families and to help pay Hamas government salaries.
— The Palestinian Authority says it will spend $1.7 billion on Gaza this year, mainly on salaries for tens of thousands of civil servants who stopped working when Hamas took over in 2007.
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This:Information missteps have led to questions about Israel’s credibility
Israel has released several pieces of incorrect or disputed information, leading to weakened credibility and online ridicule.
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Israel’s public-relations machine has gone into overdrive in recent weeks to make the case that its pummeling of Gaza has been necessary and conducted in a way meant to minimize civilian deaths. It has allowed journalists, including those from NBC News, to embed with its soldiers in Gaza, maintained a steady drumbeat of social media posts, and made Israeli representatives available for TV appearances.
But in its recent outreach to global allies, Israel has released several pieces of inaccurate or disputed information including claiming that an Arabic calendar was a shift schedule for Hamas kidnappers, and using curtains as evidence that hostage videos had been filmed in a hospital.
The widespread reaction calling out these questionable pieces of evidence has weakened Israel’s credibility, according to some experts, and could lead to a boy-who-cried-wolf situation unless concrete evidence for a Hamas headquarters is found beneath Gaza’s Al-Shifa hospital, one of Israel’s key contentions at this stage of the war.
“The irony is they might find something and nobody is going to believe them,” said H.A. Hellyer, a senior associate fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a Washington, D.C., think tank. “At this point their credibility is shot.”
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Most notably, IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari showed what he said was evidence that the Al-Rantisi hospital had been used by Hamas to detain hostages. He pointed to a piece of paper, saying that it showed a rota for guarding the captives. “Every terrorist has his own shift,” he said.
Written above the document in pen was “Al-Aqsa Flood,” Hamas’ name for its Oct. 7 assault. But Arabic speakers pointed out that the rest of the paper merely showed days of the week, with no trace of the Hamas captors’ names described by Hagari.
Elsewhere in the hospital, he pointed out curtains had been hung on a wall with no window. There was “no reason” to do this “unless you want to film hostages and deliver movies,” Hagari said.
Some people from the region pointed out that this is a common interior decor theme among Palestinian households.
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Nevertheless, ridicule soon followed. Videos on social media have lampooned increasingly ridiculous and mundane objects held up as “IDF evidence.”
Israel has been accused of spreading misinformation before. Last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s spokesperson for Arab media, Ofir Gendelman, posted to X a video that he claimed showed Gazans faking their injuries with makeup. Despite countless people correcting him that the footage was in fact from a Lebanese film, it had not been deleted as of Friday.
Attacking a hospital is a war crime unless a military or militant group is using it for operations, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross. Even then, doctors and patients must be warned, with extra care taken not to harm those who stay.
Information missteps have led to questions about Israel’s credibility
Israel has released several pieces of incorrect or disputed information, leading to weakened credibility and online ridicule.www.nbcnews.com
And while some of Hamas’ propaganda has been able to sidestep Western efforts to limit its reach, Hellyer, whose career has included senior anti-radicalization roles in the U.K. government, said this information war should not be seen as one between two equal parties.
“We don’t take seriously what a terror group says, but we do take seriously what an army says, especially one that’s an ally of ours,” he said. “So we naturally hold it to a higher standard.”
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MOO MOO Never believe Hamas, but since Israel is our ally, I judge what they say by our standards. Hamas is a terror group, they are expected to lie.
I understand Hamas has a strong propaganda machine and shadowy groups like the CIA and Israel's counterpart often need to resort "dirty tricks" and "get down to their level" to counter the propaganda, however what Israel tells the world through it's official channels is judged by our standards. MOO MOO
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Moo..Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation and as such I expect they are pretty free to employ whatever rules of engagement fits the agenda at the time.
Israel is a free democratic state which instead of playing the terrorist is expected to be who they are and operate in accordance with the rule of law, their own as well as international.
The Gaza strip is an enclave which is described in the Cambridge dictionary as "...a part of a country that is surrounded by another country, or a group of people who are different from the people living in the surrounding area:"
In the starving Gaza enclave even fresh fish is an issue.
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The construction of the seaport has been a major objective of successive authorities in Palestine. It took six years, from the start of the Oslo Accord process in September 1993,until September 1999, for Israel to consent to allow the Palestinian Authority (PA) to begin construction of a Gaza deep sea port and, even then, the port was not to be functional until there had been an agreement with Israel on a joint protocol regarding its operation. Construction of a port had begun before the outbreak of the Palestinian uprising in September2000, with costs being met by Donor States. However, in October 2000 the Israeli air force destroyed both the sea port and Gaza's existing airport near Rafah in response to the killing of two Israeli soldiers in Ramallah. In 2001, the Dutch-French consortium scrapped plans to build a port in the Gaza Strip, citing security problems in the area, which would have been financed by The Hague, Paris and the European Investment Bank. In 2005, in a climate of improving ties following the death of Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, Israeli approval was given for the construction of the port, although Israel would retain control of territorial waters offshore. The port is part of a package of Israeli gestures that includes the gradual handover of West Bank cities to Palestinian forces, and the release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. However, there has been no significant progress and the project remains on hold.
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Israeli bombs rain down on Gaza once more. The surprise, unprecedented attack by Hamas's Al-Qassam Brigades has been met with indiscriminate Israeli aggression, forcing everyone in the besieged enclave to seek shelter whilst awaiting their fate.
At the time of writing, the Israeli Defence Minister, Yoav Gollant, has ordered a "complete siege" of the Gaza strip: "no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed."
In many ways, however, this is just a more explicit extension of the daily realities Gazans have faced over the last 16 years under Israeli blockade, with Gaza's fishermen are public enemy number one.
Israel restricts the fishing border in Gaza to just six miles and is patrolled by Israeli ships and naval commandos who injure and kill anyone who crosses the border. This is in flagrant violation of the Oslo Accords - signed between Israel and the PLO in the 1990s - that grants Gaza's fishermen to venture up to 20 nautical miles from the shore to fish.
Israeli blockade plunges Gaza's fishermen into net of misery
Israel's 16-year blockade of the Gaza Strip has turned the fishing industry in Gaza into a tool for collective Palestinian punishment. Fishermen are regularly killed at sea, with sustained Israeli restrictions suffocating a symbol of Gazan identity.www.newarab.com
Why should Israel be required to open its borders to terrorist?
Are there other counties that allow open borders for terrorist?
I know in the US we try real hard to keep terrorist out of our homeland. Israel should be allowed to do the same.
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I'd wager IMO that the failure of the UN to be able to codemn the atrocities, massacre and institutionalized rape (by the UN's own definition a precussor to genocide [where the hell are @UN Women --- this is their domain!) Yet silence from them] by Hamas is because they were and are too busy 'vacuuming'.
Vacuuming up all those things that Palestine, and now Hamas, has done wrong over the last 75 years including attacking the State of Israel along with their neighbours Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and Transjordan when Israel was one day old way back 75 years ago in 1948. Losing that war and the land they now want back in the process. That's why they want to revert to 1947 borders. Ooops, we attacked you and you miraculously won the war and some of our land in the process. We therefore want a re-do to the borders before we lost that war we started. It's ALL Israel's fault you know.
Seems this site has been used in the thread prior, so it should be OK as a source:
Search | Office of Justice Programs
www.ojp.gov
About 3,910 results on Palstinian Terrorism
That's just the first page. Talk about things hapening in a vacuum.
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Al-Shifa Hospital director reportedly arrested by IDF while evacuating.
Mohammad Abu Salmiya was detained for questioning "following evidence that the Shifa Hospital, under his direct management, served as a Hamas command and control center," the IDF said in a statement Thursday.Abu Salmiya was reportedly arrested while evacuating from the the embattled Al-Shifa hospital as part of a convoy marshalled by the World Health Organization. In response to his arrest, the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza said it had suspended cooperation with WHO and said the United Nations "bears full responsibility" for his detention.
November 23, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
A truce between Israel and Hamas will begin Friday at 7 a.m. local time (midnight ET), with 13 civilian hostages to be released by Hamas hours later, Qatar announced.
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I was joking.
I figure they learn some English at school and very likely colleges in Gaza require some proficiency. (Not gonna go down the rabbit hole and research it) But I'm sure enough Hamas members speak enough English to get by.
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The PMO urges the public to refrain from “spreading rumors and unofficial information,” and asks media not to publish the list of names until the hostages are back in Israel.
Israel seems to have changed its initial planned strategy, outlined yesterday in a briefing to reporters by a senior diplomatic official, which would have seen Israel avoid notifying families until live proof is received of the hostages’ release.
The previous decision was explained to be due to fear that Hamas’s list of names is inaccurate or that the group is playing cruel tricks, and in order not to spark false hope.
However, top officials have evidently changed their mind, and the information has been conveyed, with many qualifications, to the relatives.
All hostage families are told who’s slated for release tomorrow, in change of strategy
[...]The PMO urges the public to refrain from “spreading rumors and unofficial information,” and asks media not to publish the list of names until the hostages are back in Israel.
Israel seems to have changed its initial planned strategy, outlined yesterday in a briefing to reporters by a senior diplomatic official, which would have seen Israel avoid notifying families until live proof is received of the hostages’ release.
The previous decision was explained to be due to fear that Hamas’s list of names is inaccurate or that the group is playing cruel tricks, and in order not to spark false hope.
However, top officials have evidently changed their mind, and the information has been conveyed, with many qualifications, to the relatives.
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This is going to be interesting, but it may be bluster. This sounds like something the Taliban would do. But Hamas, could also be posturing. Gaza can't exist without aid groups.More:
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Al-Shifa Hospital director reportedly arrested by IDF while evacuating.
In response to his arrest, the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza said it had suspended cooperation with WHO and said the United Nations "bears full responsibility" for his detention.
November 23, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
A truce between Israel and Hamas will begin Friday at 7 a.m. local time (midnight ET), with 13 civilian hostages to be released by Hamas hours later, Qatar announced.www.cnn.com
November 23, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
A truce between Israel and Hamas will begin Friday at 7 a.m. local time (midnight ET), with 13 civilian hostages to be released by Hamas hours later, Qatar announced.
- Al-Shifa arrest: Abu Salmiya was reportedly arrested Thursday while evacuating with a World Health Organization convoy, a doctor in the hospital told Al-Jazeera. The IDF later confirmed it had detained Salmiya, saying "there was extensive Hamas terrorist activity" inside the hospital under his management. “He was in a constant state of denial saying it doesn’t happen. How could a General Manager of the hospital not know about the extent of the tunnel system?” an IDF spokesperson told CNN. Israel launched a “targeted” operation inside Al-Shifa last week, trapping patients, doctors, refugees and newborns inside the complex it says Hamas has used as a military base. Hamas denies the allegations.
- WHO criticized: The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said it has suspended operation with the WHO after Salmiya’s arrest. Ashraf Al-Qidra, a spokesperson for the ministry, said the IDF on Wednesday stopped a WHO convoy at a checkpoint in central Gaza, as it was attempting to evacuate people from Al-Shifa. Al-Qidra said the IDF arrested several medical staff, including Salmiya, and as such the ministry had suspended cooperation with WHO and blamed the United Nations for failing to safeguard its staff. “The United Nations bears full responsibility for this event and we await appropriate and urgent measures on their part to address this,” the ministry said in a statement.
November 23, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
A truce between Israel and Hamas will begin Friday at 7 a.m. local time (midnight ET), with 13 civilian hostages to be released by Hamas hours later, Qatar announced.
Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health suspends cooperation with WHO on Al-Shifa evacuations
From CNN's Kareem KhadderThe Hamas-controlled Ministry of Health in Gaza is suspending cooperation with the World Health Organization, which had been helping to facilitate evacuations with the Al-Shifa Hospital in northern Gaza, a spokesperson for the ministry said.
The announcement came following reports that the hospital's director had been arrested by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) while evacuating as part of a WHO convoy.
Ministry spokesperson Ashraf Al-Qidra said a WHO convoy from Al-Shifa, in the north of the enclave, had been stopped for several hours on Wednesday at a checkpoint operation by the IDF in central Gaza.
Several medical staff had been arrested, including Mohammed Abu Salmiya, the director of Al-Shifa.
"The Ministry of Health decides to stop full coordination with the World Health Organization on the issue of evacuating the remaining wounded and medical teams until a report is submitted explaining what happened and the detainees are released," it added.
CNN has asked WHO for a response to the ministry’s decision.
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…except when they tell you they will repeat 10/7 over and over and over. And the West is next. IMO
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This is WHY most countries don't allow media in an active war zone without military protection.
Wonder if reporters from the "free world" would enter Gaza given the opportunity, unaccompanied by armed military?
Maybe Israel should offer to allow them in unaccompanied by military and see how many accept this offer?
Moo...NONE, they 100% know the risk. Death or becoming a hostage.
Just more from the propaganda machine.
Hamas is responsible for protection of their reporters. Israel will protect reporters from the free world.
All my opinion
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"The people want the downfall of Hamas!"
These are the scenes coming out of southern Gaza as men march with white flags and chant anti-Hamas slogans.
Hamas is the greatest threat to the safety and security of Palestinians in Gaza.
These are the scenes coming out of southern Gaza as men march with white flags and chant anti-Hamas slogans.
Hamas is the greatest threat to the safety and security of Palestinians in Gaza.
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It's been 47 days since Israeli women were raped, murdered and kidnapped by Hamas terrorists and many international women's rights groups are still silent.
It doesn't matter what language you speak.
Speaking up and advocating for women who face violence should be universal. #BelieveIsraeliWomen #NoExcuse
It doesn't matter what language you speak.
Speaking up and advocating for women who face violence should be universal. #BelieveIsraeliWomen #NoExcuse
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