Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #6

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Europe has pretty much been this way for quite a while. (decades) MOO: They don't like war in their backyard. I know, it's a big backyard.
In fact the European Union came in big time following the Gaza strip agreement. Especially with projects aimed at infrastructure, basic needs, etc. They came in early with a water and waste sanitation project c/o highly specialised Dutch company Agrovision. It was also very difficult at that time to get supplies in.

Just one example from experience. But a Google of EU projects will bring up much more.

Of course nobody politically or practically wanted the iniciative to fail.

Even if you go to modern day Lebanon, on the drive from the airport you see many destroyed building with no walls, people, many Palestinian, living inside, making fires to cook, hanging up washing where they can.

And then you pass camps, Palestinian and Armenian, full of refugees.

Before you come to Beirut, still signs of destruction but also luxury shops and restaurants. IT used to be known as the expat playground (foreigners working in more extreme and restrictive places would come for a weekend).

Lebanon is a country of mixed religions: arab, druze, christian.

For many years Lebanon has been controlled, by not such a tolerant country, in every sense by Syria, there are road blocks all controlled by Syrian army

Hezbollah is an Iranian initiated group operating from Lebanon.

A good friend, James Thomson, has been setting up community ovens project in the south of Lebanon, where there has been so much conflict over the years.

You can look him up on on Financial Times.



I write this because IMO it is important to take regional factors into account and realise how complicated the situation is.


All IMO and IME.
 
'Little to show for frenzy of diplomatic activity - with ground attacks just days away
Talks involving the UN, the US, the EU, the Egyptians and the Israelis are foundering it is understood.'


part of article:
'A frenzy of diplomatic activity is under way, but there is little to show for it.
Israel is determined to press ahead with its air offensive on Gaza with ground attacks only days if not hours away.
Averting that through diplomacy is not going to happen.
There has been some progress towards the release of hostages with two Americans reportedly released on Friday.
One Hamas leader in exile, Khaled Meshaal has been more explicit on Hamas's intentions with its hostages.'


The article covers ' sticking points' on aid via Rafah and also Hamas's objective re hostage transfers, the issue with no fuel for hospitals and concludes ' So little good news on the diplomatic front for now.'

@JennieM Is this why they are now mentioning ' international humanitarian law' in one of your latest posts. I haven't noticed them mention that before in official statements or it's just me losing track?
 

The Raanans are from Illinois. Ben Raanan, the brother of Natalie Raanan and son of Judith Raanan, said his mom and sister were in Israel for a relative's birthday when they were taken hostage.
President Joe Biden in a statement said he was "overjoyed" at the news of the Raanans' release and thanked the governments of Qatar and Israel for their partnerships in securing their release.


So glad to hear good news !
 
7m ago

WHO chief says reports of Gaza hospital evacuation order are 'disturbing'​

The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) has described reports that a hospital in Gaza has been ordered to evacuate as “disturbing”.

The Palestinian Red Crescent said earlier on Friday that its operations at Al-Quds hospital in Gaza City face an “imminent threat” after the Israeli military ordered the hospital’s evacuation.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said it is “impossible” for overcrowded hospitals to safely evacuate patients in a statement posted to X.

Hospitals in Gaza “must be allowed to perform their lifesaving functions,” he posted to social media. “They must be protected.”

The WHO’s regional office for the eastern Mediterranean said the reports of evacuation orders sent to Al-Quds Hospital in Gaza were “worrying”.

Sick and injured patients, as well as health workers, are inside the hospital it said.

Hundreds more — mostly women and children — are seeking shelter on the hospital’s grounds. The sanctity of health care must be respected at all times.

 
14 min ago

Israeli airstrikes kill at least 15 in Gaza, Ministry of Interior says​

From CNN’s Kareem El Damanhoury

Israeli airstrikes on north and central Gaza have killed at least 10 people Friday night into Saturday, the Hamas-run Ministry of Interior in Gaza said in a statement early Saturday local time.

In southern Gaza, at least another five people — four children and a woman — were killed, the ministry said in a later statement, claiming the airstrikes are "targeting" residential homes across the strip.

CNN cannot independently verify those claims. CNN has reached out to Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for comment.

 
20 min ago

US and its allies call for Israel to set out clear goals if and when a ground invasion of Gaza is launched​

From CNN's Natasha Bertrand, Katie Bo Lillis and Oren Liebermann

The US and its allies have been urging Israel to be strategic and clear about its goals if and when it launches a ground invasion of Gaza, warning against a prolonged occupation and placing a particular emphasis on avoiding civilian casualties, US and Western officials told CNN.

In private discussions with their Israeli counterparts, Western defense officials have not tried to dissuade Israel from moving into Gaza with ground forces, the sources said.

But they have emphasized that Israel should have clear objectives when it comes to degrading Hamas and seeking to avoid a long-term occupation of the Gaza Strip.

“Our advice to them isn’t ‘Don’t do it,’ because we completely respect their right to go after Hamas and that means going after them wherever they are,” a NATO defense minister told CNN. “So it’s not ‘Don’t do it,’ but it is ‘Think about what happens and have a strategy, not just a tactical maneuver.’ We expect Israel to act within international humanitarian law, but we understand that they’re dealing with an enemy here.”

US President Joe Biden expressed a similar sentiment in an interview with “60 Minutes” last week.

[…]


Read more.

 

In Gaza, neither the north nor the south is safe​


20 Oct 2023

[…]

"People moving to the south thought there would be aid but my family spent their first night in Khan Younis, in an UNRWA school with about 23,000 other people. The facility was not equipped to be a designated shelter, so it didn’t have enough water, food, space or mattresses.

[…]

The situation here is inhumane, our dignity is compromised. People forced to move to the south don’t have the basics. Not to mention the non-stop bombardment and death.

"Under these conditions, many people that I personally know have taken the difficult decision to return with their children back to Gaza city or northern Gaza. Staying south of Wadi Gaza did not provide them any safety.

[…]

"I have come to the conclusion that with death looming everywhere, it may be better to die in our own home, together with those we love."

* By a Palestinian civilian in the Gaza Strip

 

Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #14​


20 Oct 2023


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Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #14​


20 Oct 2023


KEY POINTS

  • Intensive bombardments continued as hostilities entered the fourteenth day in Gaza, with an additional 352 Palestinians killed in the past 24 hours (as of 17:00). This brings the cumulative fatality toll in the Gaza Strip to 4,137, with 70 per cent of the fatalities being children and women, according to the Ministry of Health in Gaza. More than 1,000 people are reported missing and presumed to be under rubble, awaiting rescue or recovery.
  • About 1.4 million internally displaced persons (IDPs) are estimated in Gaza, with more than 544,000 sheltering in 147 UNRWA-designated emergency shelters (DES) in increasingly dire conditions.
  • Today (20 October), during his visit to the Rafah Crossing, the UN Secretary-General António Guterres reiterated his call for the immediate opening of the Rafah crossing for the entry of assistance, alongside a humanitarian ceasefire. He also stressed that “the barbaric attack by Hamas needs to be condemned […but …] cannot be a pretext for a collective punishment of the Palestinian people.”
  • At least 30 per cent of all housing units in the Gaza Strip have been either destroyed or damaged since the start of the hostilities, according to the Ministry of Housing in Gaza.
  • The full electricity blackout, compounded by the ban on the import of fuel to run backup generators, enters its tenth consecutive day, with devastating consequences on the access to health care and drinking water. Increasing water consumption from unsafe sources elevates the threat of infectious disease outbreaks.

[…]

 
3 min ago

Brother of released US hostage says she may return home to US early next week​

From CNN's Andy Rose

The brother of Natalie Raanan, one of the American hostages released Friday by Hamas, says she is likely to return to the US within the next few days.

“We have heard tentatively that she might be coming back to Chicago sometime early next week,” Ben Raanan told CNN on Friday.

Natalie Raanan and her mother, Judith Tai Raanan, are currently in the care of the Israel Defense Forces, according to the IDF.

Their freedom came so suddenly, Ben Raanan said, he heard about it through the media.

“This all moved so quickly, I was getting texts from reporters I met with saying this happened,” Ben Raanan said. “I believe it's because the government didn't want to call us before it had been confirmed.”

Raanan said his joy at the release is tempered by the continued suffering of so many in the conflict, including the families of 10 Americans who remain unaccounted for.

“There are families all over in Gaza and in Israel that are experiencing a loss that I can't even imagine,” Raanan said.

 
I'm back in my trying-to-learn more mode. If anyone knows... can you tell me about Fatah?

...why don't they have more support from Palestinians?

The last time Palestinians were given a chance to vote was 2006.

"(during that election) 86% of Palestinians thought the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority (PA) was corrupt."

Also, Abbas was first appointed President of the Palestinian Authority in 2005, by 2009 he had arranged to keep the position indefinitely.

"(In 2006) Hamas promised change and transparency, even calling themselves the “Change and Reform Party.” One of the changes they promised was more transparency with taxpayer money; they also denounced the excessive authority of the federal government."

"[In a recent poll] 27% of Palestinians consider Hamas the most deserving faction to represent and lead them, while 24% favor Fatah....43% feels that neither side deserves to hold the reins of power.".

 
2m ago

Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau has spoken with Saudi prime minister and crown prince Mohammed bin Salman and the two expressed their “deep concerns with the humanitarian impact of the conflict in Gazaand stressed the importance that all parties protect civilians and ensure humanitarian access to the affected areas”, Trudeau’s office has said.

The leaders also discussed the regional security implications of the conflict and “efforts toward de-escalation to prevent further deaths of innocent civilians”, the office said in a statement, posted on X/Twitter.

Trudeau “condemned the horrific attack against Israeli civilians, as well as the bombing of Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza and the ongoing hostage situation,” it said.

He also “reiterated Canada’s longstanding support for a two-state solution and for the right of Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security”.



 
1 min ago

Biden says Israel should delay ground invasion until more hostages can get out​

From CNN's Betsy Klein

When asked Friday evening if Israel should delay a ground invasion until more hostages can get out, US President Joe Biden told reporters "yes."

Biden was boarding Air Force One ahead of a weekend in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware.
Biden also said his call with the freed Americans "went well.”

Earlier Friday, CNN reported that the US and its allies have been urging Israel to be strategic and clear about its goals if and when it launches a ground invasion of Gaza, warning against a prolonged occupation and placing a particular emphasis on avoiding civilian casualties, according to US and Western officials.

 

Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #14​


20 Oct 2023


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# of victims raped and tortured by Hamas- hundreds
# of children and parents killed in front of each other for the pleasure of Hamas-hundreds
# of Jews purposedly burned to death so suffering could personally be watched by Hamas-hundreds
# of deaths caused by Israel soley for the purpose of celebration of extermination of human life and torture-zero
 
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