Italy - Prato, WhtFem, hanged, maps of Vancouver & Copenhagen, 13 Nov 2007

[Bit of hope]

I found this Italian article. I did an automatic translation in English. The translation is crooked. There is also a picture of her grave in it. Very saddening.

Si uccise a Prato sette anni fa, non ha ancora un nome

 

[Bit of hope]

To you @branmuffin She bought a potato bread (focaccia) from a Coop supermarket. Other sources: Potato Schiacciatina from the Tuscan bakery, packaged on November 12, 2007. Don't know if she ate some of it. Also found with her: Minute drink Maid Ace flavor

and vitamin pills for teenagers? from Denmark....

 

[Bit of hope]

I found this Italian article. I did an automatic translation in English. The translation is crooked. There is also a picture of her grave in it. Very saddening.

Si uccise a Prato sette anni fa, non ha ancora un nome

I saw this is old or behind a pay wall...this is her grave...bless you lady. May you RIP

 

[Henry T]

According to this: Prato Jane Doe the mystery lady attended a conference on laser technology in Florence in the days just before she was found hanged 20 km or so away. A "Doctor Pelagalli", a psychologist, who attended the conference later said he remembered her because of her characteristic sunglasses (shown in the list of her belongings at the website of the Italian TV programme where the case was featured). She had said she was a medical doctor, but apparently she soon became evasive when pressed on such topics. He also said she was sweating profusely and apparently for that reason had to remove her make-up. It was suggested that she might just be someone who had attended out of interest, informally, rather than an invitee. Apparently the person who wrote the wiki linked to above was laboring under the misunderstanding that the conference was by invitation only, but it was clearly a fairly open affair.

You will find the website of the 2007 Laser Florence Conference here: www.laserflorence.org - This Year's Meeting (I hope this link works in the forum; it has a somewhat unusual syntax).
If you click the link "Laser Florence 2007 Final Program - Printable Version (pdf)" you will be taken to the original 2007 conference PDF.

Here is a dirct link to the conference PDF:

Wayback Machine

 

[Curious_in_NC]

It was suggested that she might just be someone who had attended out of interest, informally, rather than an invitee. Apparently the person who wrote the wiki linked to above was laboring under the misunderstanding that the conference was by invitation only, but it was clearly a fairly open affair.

rsbm
I believe you're correct. I have attended other SPIE sponsored conferences. Typically the plenary session speakers are invited, sometimes some other speakers too for special sessions. But general attendees aren't there by invitation. As further evidence, the wayback link you provided had a registration form for the conference with speaker/member/non-member/student etc. options.

ETA It's possible she was attending without even registering. That could explain the nervousness. Perhaps that's what the wiki author was suggesting.

 

[Henry T]

It's possible she was attending without even registering. That could explain the nervousness. Perhaps that's what the wiki author was suggesting.

Yes, exactly. She seemed to be and/or feel out of place.

 

[fred&edna]

From what I understand, the Laser Florence conference was held Nov 8-10. I wonder if the doctor saw her more than one day/time? And, is it possible she gained access to the conference if she was working with or assisting a conference exhibitor?

 

[Puzzleworth]

[snipped by me]

Does anybody know what the sisters of gaudium are. I looked for it and found this:

Evangelii gaudium (The Joy of the Gospel) is a 2013 apostolic exhortation by Pope Francis on the church's mission of evangelization in the modern world." Evangelii gaudium aims at overcoming complacency at every level of the church’s hierarchy and in the life of every Christian. It touches on the obligations Christians have to the poor, and the duty to establish and maintain just economic, political, and legal orders.

Trovata impiccata a Prato: chi era?

It's seems to be signed in person. Maybe it's 'petites soeurs de gaudium' (little sisters of the gospel)? Could she have been a non herself once?

The letter seems to be signed by a Roberta. There is this lady Secretaire general Roberta Tremarelli

[sbm]

Gaudium is Latin for "joy."

I don't know that this is a letter. The slip of paper it's on reads thus:

(typed) "[...]pour l'an nouveau."

"...s de gaudium"​

(handwritten) "...ait"

[horizontal line]

"...Roberto" or "...Roberta"

(handwritten, in a different hand from the above) "Michel"​

Almost as if someone took a typed page and wrote on it.

"...s soeurs de gaudium" is probably the Toronto-based association The Little Sisters of Joy, which uses music to promote interfaith reconciliation. Another connection to Canada. Maybe this woman attended a concert put on by the Sisters? There do not appear to be any Robertos, Robertas, or Michels associated with the group.

 

[Bit of hope]

Gaudium is Latin for "joy."

I don't know that this is a letter. The slip of paper it's on reads thus:



Almost as if someone took a typed page and wrote on it.

"...s soeurs de gaudium" is probably the Toronto-based association The Little Sisters of Joy, which uses music to promote interfaith reconciliation. Another connection to Canada. Maybe this woman attended a concert put on by the Sisters? There do not appear to be any Robertos, Robertas, or Michels associated with the group.

Thank you!

 

[Susikatze]

There are two or three different handwritings. One, used most frequently (in the Prins Henrik description, the Conference venue etc.) is a typical handwriting someone that grew up writing Kyrillic would use when writing Latin script. Very typical. I have many Ukrainian and Russian born friends who write exactly like that.

The second handwriting is the French letter fragment. European or maybe Canadian cursive.

The third handwriting is the American letter address. That is a very American print writing.

And lastly, the name "Roberta" on the printed letter fragment is another handwriting.

To me it seems the first handwriting (Cyrillic style Latin) is her own handwriting. The others are from different people.

I think she was an intellectual lady from a Cyrillic script country (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria...) maybe a scientist, who fell into some mental illness. She from time to time collected information about science conferences she may have attended without sign up from time to time. She was also interested in nobility. And she collected random scraps of paper she may have found on the street or in garbage bins and kept them for whatever reason because they had some meaning for her.
Someone sent my workplace (a major government institution) random scraps of paper and random little trinkets like broken jewelry, plastic fragments, pennies that all were obviously picked up in the streets. Without comment.
I think it is a similar case somehow.


JMOO

 

[sebaarsby]

I would like to provide some background information about Henrik Eis from Denmark as he seems to be a key person in this mysterious and tragic case.

I met Henrik in 1979 when we were both touring in South East Asia. In the next 3 - 4 years we travelled a lot together in that part of the world, which we were both very fascinated by.

Henrik was employed by the Danish postal service, where he held a fairly high position as postmaster. He was also an avid stamp collector, and he was the main organizer of two large, international stamp exhibitions held in Copenhagen: "Hafnia 76" and "Hafnia 87".

Henrik was not a doctor as someone has suggested. At the time when our Jane Doe died in Italy, he was married to a Chinese woman who had (and still has) a health clinic in the small town of Stenløse. I suppose that Henrik was just assisting her in the clinic. Apparently, the clinic has acquired an Akeda-Laser L 500, which was registered in Henrik's name.

As far as I know, Henrik has never lived in the US or any other country than Denmark.

Henrik died in 2010 at the age of 66.

It should be noted that there is also another person called Henrik Eis here in Denmark. He is a chimney sweeper and lives in Skjern, Jutland.

 

[sebaarsby]

Just a thought:
What if our Jane Doe did not attend those conferences as a participant herself, but rather because she intended to meet someone whom she supposed would be there as a participant?

 

[sebaarsby]

In June 2020 a Polish woman, who is living in Italy, searched for Henrik Eis on MyHeritage.
I have contacted her and asked her why she was interested in Henrik, but unfortunately she did not remember.
Now I just wonder if she might in any way be connected to our mysterious Jane Doe case.

 

[fred&edna]

I still find the connection between "Kreutzer" and Henrik Eis very remarkable... both men philatelists (or at least both are associated with postage stamps) - and that is the one easy (but semi-unique) connection among her belongings.

 

[sebaarsby]

I have been in contact with Finn Højbjerg, the journalist who wrote the article "Laser gav mod på livet" about Kirsten Andersen and her laser treatment.
According to him, Kirsten Andersen is the woman's real name and the article was published in 2005 or 2006 in a local newspaper in Viborg, Denmark.
Finn Højbjerg and Kirsten Andersen both live (or lived) in Viborg and Finn has talked to some people there who are sure that they saw Kirsten Andersen in December 2022.
Kirsten's last name is now Jørgensen as she married a former teacher in the school where she used to work herself.
Therefore, we can rule out the possibility that Kirsten Andersen/Jørgensen is our Jane Doe.
Someone has suggested that the man who is walking together with Kirsten in the picture, might be Henrik Eis. I don't think so. He doesn't look like Henrik to me.
All in all, I don't think that there is any connection between Kirsten Andersen/Jørgensen and Henrik Eis.
However, I still believe that laser technology plays a role in this case.

 

[Aurora90]

Follow me here. Just thinking out loud (well typing but you know what I mean)

One of her last purchases was vitamins, we know she was attending multiple laser conferences, was found with an article on lasers and alternative medicine.

Just before her death she was seen sweating so profusely she is wiping off her makeup (could she have been very pale underneath? Didn’t someone say there was blue around her eyes post mortem) I wonder if the eyes glasses were to cover up how sickly she was.

the doctor stated that when asked questions she was invasive. Well if he was speaking with who he thought was a medical doctor he probably spoke in terms wasn’t well versed in. (Not for lack of trying mind you! Given what we know about her) Hence her being evasive. She wasn’t a doctor she was a sick woman hoping to find a cure. Sometimes with medicine it feels like there is a lot of “red tape”. Things take time. Time she didn’t have.

Then add in the information that the lasers were being touted by alternative medicine at the time leads me to believe she was sick. I feel like this is someone trying to do their own research in trying to heal themselves. A last ditch effort of sorts, only to give up eventually.

especially given that last conference where she was sweating profusely was days before her death.

If a DOE is found and they can’t be identified, are medical examiners allowed to mention any illness/diseases the individual might have had? As an identifying factor? I see mention of broken bones or previous sprains, scoliosis, cleft lip, etc. but nothing internally. Ever. Would that have violated HIPPA (or European equivalent) laws?

Just pure speculation though…

 

[Aurora90]

If I believed that lasers were the cure to healing myself and I was very sick, I’d visit a conference too. As many as I could. I would try to see if there’s any new cutting edge potentially life saving technology or techniques.

My friends grandmother got sick and they flew to Mexico for alternative medicine. They swore it worked but was incredibly expensive.

I didn’t even know about it or that she was sick until 6+ months after they came back. They didn’t talk about it until she was in remission. (I can’t say if it did or not but she was in remission and passed away from something else many many years later)

A doctor somewhere maybe gave a diagnosis and then never heard from their patient again?

 

[Aurora90]

Is Henrik the only link to postage? Because the site linked above states:

“Looking for the name Henrik Eis, a document comes up about a doctor in Malov, Denjmark who specialists in laser dermatological surgery” sounds like she wanted info on lasers very badly. But not generic info, medical science information. It’s the route I would take if I was very ill.

And the article about Kristen Andersen and laser technology speaks about how it cures a lot of ailments, and was published in 2005/2006 in a local newspaper in Viborg Denmark.

I am of the belief that this was Danish citizen, or Polish by way of Denmark, who became sick or got worse around 2005-2006, was looking into alternative medicine and travelled in an efforts to fix herself. Attending conferences, hoping to get on a trial?

Likely unwilling to accept a grave diagnosis perhaps?

 

[Aurora90]

I would like to provide some background information about Henrik Eis from Denmark as he seems to be a key person in this mysterious and tragic case.

I met Henrik in 1979 when we were both touring in South East Asia. In the next 3 - 4 years we travelled a lot together in that part of the world, which we were both very fascinated by.

Henrik was employed by the Danish postal service, where he held a fairly high position as postmaster. He was also an avid stamp collector, and he was the main organizer of two large, international stamp exhibitions held in Copenhagen: "Hafnia 76" and "Hafnia 87".

Henrik was not a doctor as someone has suggested. At the time when our Jane Doe died in Italy, he was married to a Chinese woman who had (and still has) a health clinic in the small town of Stenløse. I suppose that Henrik was just assisting her in the clinic. Apparently, the clinic has acquired an Akeda-Laser L 500, which was registered in Henrik's name.

As far as I know, Henrik has never lived in the US or any other country than Denmark.

Henrik died in 2010 at the age of 66.

It should be noted that there is also another person called Henrik Eis here in Denmark. He is a chimney sweeper and lives in Skjern, Jutland.

Aha so it wasn’t about Henrik at all. She was focusing on the laser that had been purchased for his wife’s clinic, under his name.

Did anyone ever reach out to their clinic to inquire about the laser?

It sounds like she looked into laser technology then did every attempt to find such lasers or certain lasers with certain techniques or capabilities, first locally (Denmark) then widened the search. Hence the laser conferences in Vancouver and Florence. She was desperate.

She likely said she was a medical doctor in the hopes of purchasing one. Maybe she saw it akin to Chemo but a naturopath version of it?

 

[Aurora90]

In June 2020 a Polish woman, who is living in Italy, searched for Henrik Eis on MyHeritage.
I have contacted her and asked her why she was interested in Henrik, but unfortunately she did not remember.
Now I just wonder if she might in any way be connected to our mysterious Jane Doe case.

Her clothing seemed to suggest she was from or previously resided in Poland correct? If so, I wonder if the local police in Italy did a campaign or flyers within Polish communities in Italy hoping to find someone who may have noticed she was missing. Then this woman happened to see it hence looking things up?

Personally, I don’t think that’s the direction the investigation should be taking. Migration sometimes means that folks have family all over the world. They should be looking for a family in Poland who might have had their daughter/sister/mother move to Denmark only to disappear..

Maybe the family have been trying to look for her but without including law enforcement (Perhaps thinking hey, with nothing to suggest it was involuntary why get the police involved)

And if they are trying to find this Jane Doe in Denmark (which makes sense) then they are unfortunately looking in the wrong direction.

I think a campaign to identify her focusing in and around Poland & Denmark would benefit this case tremendously.