Italy - Sailing yacht sank off Italian coast, 15 rescued, 7 missing, 19 August 2024

[SouthAussie]

Giornale di Sicilia - Italian media - reported yesterday that all 7 deceased have now been flown to their countries of origin, by private jet.
Their funerals will be held in the coming days.

Lab tests will continue at University Hospital of Palermo by forensic doctors to determine death by drowning, or death due to lack of oxygen.

Naufragio di Porticello, rimpatriate le sette salme ma altri accertamenti al Policlinico

Hanno lasciato il Policlinico di Palermo, dove sono state eseguite le autopsie nei giorni scorsi, le salme delle sette vittime del Bayesian, il veliero battente...

palermo.gds.it

 

[Dotta]

"Investigators will also attempt to work out whether any of the doors on board the ship were left open allowing water to flood in by using a hyperbaric chamber.

At a press conference at the Termini Imerese Courthouse on Saturday, Chief Prosecutor Ambrogio Cartosio said there may have been
'behaviours that were not perfectly in order with regard to the responsibility everybody had.'

Cartosio added:
'There could be in fact the question of homicide.
But this is the beginning of the inquiry, we cannot exclude anything at all…We will establish each element's (crew) responsibility'.

'For me, it is probable that offences were committed - that it could be a case of manslaughter.'

Cartosio's team will look into whether the ship's crew raised the alarm before making their escape."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1835321339579637879

 

[Dotta]

"Divers are racing to retrieve Mike Lynch’s personal hard drives
locked in a safe on the ocean floor,
according to reports."

Bayesian yacht sinking: Divers race to rescue Mike Lynch’s hard drive from safe

Italian prosecutors continue their investigation after divers recovered video equipment from the luxury yacht

www.independent.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

"Divers are racing to retrieve Mike Lynch’s personal hard drives
locked in a safe on the ocean floor,
according to reports."

Bayesian yacht sinking: Divers race to rescue Mike Lynch’s hard drive from safe

Italian prosecutors continue their investigation after divers recovered video equipment from the luxury yacht

www.independent.co.uk

They are afraid Mike Lynch may have stored information about British MI5, the American NSA and the Israeli services.

Sources told the paper the disks held: “the great digital archive of the IT entrepreneur whose clients included the British MI5, the American NSA and the Israeli services”.
The Italian newspaper said the “super drives” are protected by “cutting-edge encryption”.
(from further down in your link)

Also, from La Repubblica ..... (google translated)
A treasure trove of jewels, but above all a treasure trove of information contained in the two hard disks that Mike Lynch never separated from. At 49 meters deep in the safes of the sailing ship there could be documents of enormous value for the intelligence agencies of the whole world.

 

[Dotta]

"Stephen Edwards, who captained the Bayesian for five years until 2020 said:

'Those who stayed curled up in bed were in the worst situation.

The storm hit hard,
placing them in the melee of flying furniture, glass and other items',
he said adding he had spoken to traumatised crew members.

'Inside the cabins,
the only way to think of this is that people were lying in their beds one minute,
and the next the room was on its side,
totally dark,
with the door now either in the floor or in the ceiling above'.”



More updates:

Bayesian yacht sinking: Horror facing victims trapped in cabins described by captain

Italian prosecutors continue their investigation after divers recovered video equipment from the luxury yacht

www.independent.co.uk

 

[rockthecasbah]

They are afraid Mike Lynch may have stored information about British MI5, the American NSA and the Israeli services.

Sources told the paper the disks held: “the great digital archive of the IT entrepreneur whose clients included the British MI5, the American NSA and the Israeli services”.
The Italian newspaper said the “super drives” are protected by “cutting-edge encryption”.
(from further down in your link)

Also, from La Repubblica ..... (google translated)
A treasure trove of jewels, but above all a treasure trove of information contained in the two hard disks that Mike Lynch never separated from. At 49 meters deep in the safes of the sailing ship there could be documents of enormous value for the intelligence agencies of the whole world.

The conspiracy theorists will be all over this

 

[PrairieWind]

I would think that if those discs existed and even potentially contained the information alleged, they are already gone.

The conspiracy theorists will be all over this

 

[iamshadow21]

The conspiracy theorists will be all over this

I think generating a down burst is a little beyond the intelligence organisations, as much as they'd probably like that tool in their kit.

MOO

 

[branmuffin]

I would think that if those discs existed and even potentially contained the information alleged, they are already gone.

Considering the Italian divers tasked with retrieving bodies and had a time window of 11 or 12 minutes to do so, I doubt they were rifling through safes. Now that the information has come out, the salvage process of raising the Bayesien will be overseen by UK government officials with US and Israeli participants.

 

[PrairieWind]

Considering the Italian divers tasked with retrieving bodies and had a time window of 11 or 12 minutes to do so, I doubt they were rifling through safes. Now that the information has come out, the salvage process of raising the Bayesien will be overseen by UK government officials with US and Israeli participants.

I was thinking that if those drives really did contain information of NSA or MI5 or Mossad, those agencies would have had people there immediately (SEALS or SAS) to secretly remove them. They wouldn't wait for recovery divers to locate them.

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe Mike Lynch's safe at his home has only recently been able to be opened, and they have realised that there are jewels and encrypted disks that are not there. So think that they may be in the boat's safe.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I was thinking that if those drives really did contain information of NSA or MI5 or Mossad, those agencies would have had people there immediately (SEALS or SAS) to secretly remove them. They wouldn't wait for recovery divers to locate them.

I'd think if it was true that it was news to them or else they wouldn't have allowed it in the first place. It hardly sounds like it was in a SCIF room.

 

[branmuffin]

I was thinking that if those drives really did contain information of NSA or MI5 or Mossad, those agencies would have had people there immediately (SEALS or SAS) to secretly remove them. They wouldn't wait for recovery divers to locate them.

That's possible but from what I saw with the divers working in teams going down to the submerged boat, there were only Italians doing the diving.

 

[Dotta]

"Bayesian, the wrecked yacht.​

The builder is now asking for damages. ​

'I lost three customers, ​

I want 222 million'.​

The company sues the captain, crew and owner. ​

The thesis: ​

the ship had no defects, damage to its image.​

The lawsuit was initiated by
The Italian Sea Group ,
headed by the entrepreneur Giovanni Costantino,
who in 2021 took over the Perini brand after the bankruptcy of the Viareggio nautical giant.

Yesterday morning,
the law firm BdPmarine&law of the lawyer Tommaso Bertuccelli filed the documents on behalf of Tisg (The Italian Sea Group)
at the Court of Termini Imerese (whose Public Prosecutor's Office is investigating the sinking)

to open a compensation case for 222 million euros
plus small change for the damage to the company's image
and for the loss of earnings."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837365122488029666

 

[Dotta]

"Sunken superyacht ​

believed to contain watertight safes ​

with sensitive intelligence data.​

Specialist divers surveying the wreckage of the $40 million superyacht that sank off Sicily in August, killing eight people including British tech tycoon Mike Lynch,

have asked for heightened security to guard the vessel,
over concerns that sensitive data locked in its safes may interest foreign governments."


Rescue ships operate off Porticello near Palermo, on August 22, 2024, three days after the British-flagged luxury yacht Bayesian sank.

Sunken superyacht believed to contain watertight safes | CNN

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[ch_13]

"Bayesian, the wrecked yacht.​

The builder is now asking for damages. ​

'I lost three customers, ​

I want 222 million'.​

The company sues the captain, crew and owner. ​

The thesis: ​

the ship had no defects, damage to its image.​

This seems so bizarre to me. The sinking damaged the image of the builder, and that's grounds for a lawsuit? I can't imagine the wealthy people who own their boats are going to like this development if it means that their estates could be sued for hundreds of millions after their death.

Imagine if car companies tried this. You die in a crash after driving recklessly, so Ford or Toyota sues your estate because you made them look bad.

 

[Dotta]

This seems so bizarre to me. The sinking damaged the image of the builder, and that's grounds for a lawsuit? I can't imagine the wealthy people who own their boats are going to like this development if it means that their estates could be sued for hundreds of millions after their death.

Imagine if car companies tried this. You die in a crash after driving recklessly, so Ford or Toyota sues your estate because you made them look bad.

What can I say?

There are opinions that the yacht itself was somehow unsafe and caused the rapid sinking.

The Company fights for its good name/image.
It is their right.

Let the Court decide.
It is Court's and its experts' task.

I guess
this case will drag for maaaany years with maaaany twists and turns.

With all participants throwing mud at one another.

RIP to victims

Maybe their tragic deaths will warn others to follow Safety Rules more closely.

Yachts are not toys.
Oceans and Seas are not swimming pools.

Although,
pools can also turn deadly for some.
One always has to be cautious.

ETA
Oooops!
Do I sound like a stuck up record re Safety?

Bear with me,
the school year has just started
and I'm in my teacher's mode again

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

This seems so bizarre to me. The sinking damaged the image of the builder, and that's grounds for a lawsuit? I can't imagine the wealthy people who own their boats are going to like this development if it means that their estates could be sued for hundreds of millions after their death.

Imagine if car companies tried this. You die in a crash after driving recklessly, so Ford or Toyota sues your estate because you made them look bad.

He will probably be hit with a few counter-suits.

Because I am not sure that you can build a yacht along the lines of a (flat deck) super maxi racing yacht, chuck a heavily-windowed salon on top, chuck a cockpit on top of that, and have it respond in the same manner as a super maxi when hit with a downburst or other serious weather event.

imo

 

[SpanishInquisition]

"Bayesian, the wrecked yacht.​

The builder is now asking for damages. ​

'I lost three customers, ​

I want 222 million'.​

The company sues the captain, crew and owner. ​

The thesis: ​

the ship had no defects, damage to its image.​

The lawsuit was initiated by
The Italian Sea Group ,
headed by the entrepreneur Giovanni Costantino,
who in 2021 took over the Perini brand after the bankruptcy of the Viareggio nautical giant.

Yesterday morning,
the law firm BdPmarine&law of the lawyer Tommaso Bertuccelli filed the documents on behalf of Tisg (The Italian Sea Group)
at the Court of Termini Imerese (whose Public Prosecutor's Office is investigating the sinking)

to open a compensation case for 222 million euros
plus small change for the damage to the company's image
and for the loss of earnings."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837365122488029666

That seems like a lawsuit where regardless of the outcome the mere trial will have Perini end up with egg on their face. I think for instance that the vessel was designed in a legally compliant way, but just because something is legal it doesn't mean that it is fragile. Even if they get some sort of legal victory having all the talk about the 45 degree catastrophic downflooding angle would scare off more business than if they were quiet about it. There's all sorts of ways this can go bad for them with the lawsuit itself damaging their image and further hurting sales even if they get some kind of court victory. I do think that the crew did make some mistakes, but such mistakes shouldn't result in a bunch of passengers dying in minutes. I'd expect a superyacht to take at least an hour to sink unless there was some massive collision. I think it's absolutely the design of the yacht why the only people who were saved were on deck, which drawing attention to that isn't exactly a way to move expensive merchandise even if that deadly merchandise is up to code.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

"Sunken superyacht ​

believed to contain watertight safes ​

with sensitive intelligence data.​

Specialist divers surveying the wreckage of the $40 million superyacht that sank off Sicily in August, killing eight people including British tech tycoon Mike Lynch,

have asked for heightened security to guard the vessel,
over concerns that sensitive data locked in its safes may interest foreign governments."

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Rescue ships operate off Porticello near Palermo, on August 22, 2024, three days after the British-flagged luxury yacht Bayesian sank.

Sunken superyacht believed to contain watertight safes | CNN

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When they get onto the drives they find out that it actually contains Lynch's crypto wallet.