Jahi’s family wants her declared 'alive again’

[Zuri]

For the medical professionals here, I'm trying to figure out what the following things are:

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"Brain Flow"
"Menstrual cycle brain waves" (is this PMS?)

I think the commas failed them. Brain flow is not even a term. We know her brain is not intact. I question the menstrual cycle. Following commands? Doubt that strongly. PMS: No.

 

[Cailin Rua]

The brain on that MRI does not look "intact."

 

[I Object!]

To be fair... it was a pretty generic summary of recently passed legislation. This is why he agreed to represent Jahi's family: Increased notoriety so he could peddle feature stories about popular legislation or cases to the SF Examiner... to further increase his brand awareness.

Wow, that's rather strange. So, he was right back to preparing, researching, and writing articles about other "stuff" the very morning he was actually focused on and prepared to be in court for a high-profile case. Where does he find the time to switch between issues so quickly and adeptly?

 

[TJL]

I think the commas failed them. Brain flow is not even a term. We know her brain is not intact. I question the menstrual cycle. Following commands? Doubt that strongly. PMS: No.

LOL, I suppose my question(s) was really just rhetoric to demonstrate how this case has created a ridiculous amount of confusion and filled less-than-brilliant people with ideas that brain dead people can come back to life.

It's sad, really.

 

[K_Z]

To be fair... it was a pretty generic summary of recently passed legislation. This is why he agreed to represent Jahi's family: Increased notoriety so he could peddle feature stories about popular legislation or cases to the SF Examiner... to further increase his brand awareness.

I actually think Chris Dolan has been writing weekly, or regularly, for the SF Examiner for some time. And I agree it helps his brand awareness, but it's also a service readers appreciate.

(I'm not so sure I agree with his perspective on things-- if you're in a pool, it might be slippery around the edges. I don't get the sense that the spa did anything negligent here....sometimes a slip and fall is just an unfortunate accident...)

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...e-spa-from-responsibility/Content?oid=2902357

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...-from-vehicles-on-streets/Content?oid=2907378

He wrote a series on Jahi McMath:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...-representing-jahi-mcmath/Content?oid=2658052

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...ht-over-jahi-mcmaths-life/Content?oid=2663281

This one is from June 2013-- well before Jahi's December surgery.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/know-the-risks-of-rideshare-services/Content?oid=2482848

And a nice summary of his career (and he has had a lucrative career):

http://www.bike-law.com/Articles/Dolan-superlawyer-8-15-06.pdf

 

[K_Z]

For the medical professionals here, I'm trying to figure out what the following things are:

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"Brain Flow"
"Menstrual cycle brain waves" (is this PMS?)

Don't try too hard to think about this. This is obviously from an ordinary citizen donor without a lot of education or medical background.

You will see a lot of these kinds of comments on Facebook and other social media sites-- people offering homespun miracle cures ("rub a cut onion on her forehead twice a day"), or offering lots of advice on vitamins, homeopathic remedies, etc. People commonly misunderstand simple things, such as that Jahi is not conscious, or don't really grasp that she is still on a ventilator, and is not able to breathe at all without it, and never will. Mostly, they are comments from people who are essentially kind, and trying to be supportive, but aren't very educated, or aren't very knowledgeable or sophisticated about biology, medical care, etc. Some are hyper religious. They take any comments from the family at face value--if mother says she is moving to commands, then she is. They don't seem to question things very much-- many would say they take life "on faith", and are trusting souls who think no one would ever deliberately lie or misrepresent anything.

And some are people who like to root for the underdog and the downtrodden-- and the media reports last year painted the family as having been abused and "very wronged" by the care they received, and the legal process they went thru. Some folks are distrustful of any authority figures, or medical professionals, and align their support against authority figures as a matter of habit. "Us versus THEM." (Some just like to be adversarial, because they get a kick out of that "power" position.)

Sadly, a lot of these types of people are also very vulnerable to being exploited, or are easily able to be persuaded of impossible things. We take for granted the extraordinary amount of information that is now available to anyone who is curious enough to go looking, on the internet-- but not every person in society is consumed with intellectual curiosity. Critical thinking is not a skill a lot of people practice, or value. IMO, a large swath of our population is fairly "anti-intellectual". It is what it is. You'll never persuade some folks differently, or persuade them to be more intellectually curious. That's just who we are as a species. Like it or not, we are all part of a giant intellectual bell curve. We all seem gravitate toward others who share our common worldview.

And juries, lest we forget, are made up of a slice of all levels of intellectual curiosity and abilities. (Or maybe by folks who can't figure out how to get out of jury duty, lol!) But that's another topic all together!

So anyway, browse social media sites, and commentary on MSM sites, about Jahi McMath with a very large dose of patience, skepticism, and caution, lol! And don't think about any of it too hard, lol!

 

[lawstudent]

What are legit reasons why a dr would use a JohnDoe designation in med files?

To protect patient privacy. I believe it is never considered legitimate to do so, but it has definitely come out that many celebrities have medical files and prescriptions under aliases. If they know someone might snoop around on a high profile story or some employee might see the paperwork and violate the privacy laws, they may want to avoid the headache of it.

 

[al66pine]

To protect patient privacy. I believe it is never considered legitimate to do so, but it has definitely come out that many celebrities have medical files and prescriptions under aliases. If they know someone might snoop around on a high profile story or some employee might see the paperwork and violate the privacy laws, they may want to avoid the headache of it.

Thx for your response to my question about any legit reasona dr would have med tests done w a John Doe identification.

You said "... never considered legitimate to do so...." ? bbm sbm

I can see in some circumstances, a John Doe or anonymous designation in med records would cause probs ---
for ex, w insurance, 3rd party payor, Medicare billing, etc.

Seems like there could be some legit to do so. Maybe only legit reasons for dr's to handle that way. Why would they do it? Anyone?

 

[TJL]

Thx for your response to my question about any legit reasona dr would have med tests done w a John Doe identification.

You said "... never considered legitimate to do so...." ? bbm sbm

I can see in some circumstances, a John Doe or anonymous designation in med records would cause probs ---
for ex, w insurance, 3rd party payor, Medicare billing, etc.

Seems like there could be some legit to do so. Maybe only legit reasons for dr's to handle that way. Why would they do it? Anyone?

Also, in cases of research or medical trials.

There's no question of fraud with insurance, Medicare/Medicaid with Jahi McMath. She's dead, with a death certificate verifying it. So, any medical testing or therapies done would not be sent to an insurance company for payment; it can't be. So they're not concerned with having to legally identify a specific individual for payment purposes.

Putting her name to anything would be for no purpose except to try and prove something the family or Dolan WANTS to prove. If there's something they don't want getting into any official record or avoid the risk of it getting leaked, they can just put an anonymous name on it and say it's for research purposes and not for any purpose of treating a living person, let alone trying to get it paid for by an insurance company.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's also my understanding that any cadaver donated to medical science is identified with a number or some other obscure alias on any testing or procedures performed. It's for research and educational purposes. No need for an actual real person's name attached.

EVERYTHING they're doing to this body is purely speculative and from a research standpoint, however far fetched and "beneficial" IBRF claims it to be. Their ideas are extremely radical and so far have proven nothing in the way of "curing or reversing" brain death per their stated goals.

 

[TJL]

Don't try too hard to think about this. This is obviously from an ordinary citizen donor without a lot of education or medical background. <sniiiiiiiiiip>

As always, thanks for the candor. I hoped to get a lot of different replies from various professionals weighing in on how misinformation from the media has led to people believing in just about anything.

Sometimes I wonder, after reading things like I saw in that screenshot, just how many people would believe the sky is actually RED, not BLUE, just because they read it from a press release.

 

[K_Z]

I had another thought about the reports that Jahi's body has experienced menarche, +/- whether or not she has continued to have menstrual periods.

Remember Nailah Winkfield's comment way back when, when she gave interviews, and spoke of how "flawless" Jahi's skin was, and how she had so much "energy", and was "blossoming into a teenager before my eyes?" That seemed like such an incredibly incongruous statement, given Jahi's state of brain death, that back then, it stuck in my mind. And NW was positive to almost the point of being "giddy" in that interview-- again, really out of context to the situation. At the time I even briefly wondered if a menses event occurred-- like, what other event in a comatose teen would trigger that kind of comment from a mother, about "blossoming"? That was back in March-- articles dated March 28. I'm thinking that may have been when the menarche event occurred.

Not that the timing of menarche matters at all in the big picture, but the "blossoming" comment stuck with me. So, I can see where NW might see that as a positive sign of healing and improvement. After all, the reproductive process, and the uterus "gives" life, and if that began to function, it may have given her more hope. Sadly, false hope, again.

http://www.newser.com/story/184464/mom-jahi-blossoming-into-a-teen.html

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...er-Says-of-Brain-Dead-Daughter-252700851.html

 

[K_Z]

As always, thanks for the candor. I hoped to get a lot of different replies from various professionals weighing in on how misinformation from the media has led to people believing in just about anything.

Sometimes I wonder, after reading things like I saw in that screenshot, just how many people would believe the sky is actually RED, not BLUE, just because they read it from a press release.

BBM, lol! Remember the radio broadcast of "The War of the Worlds"? That was Oct 30, 1938.

In the days following the adaptation, there was widespread outrage in the media.[2] The program's news-bulletin format was described as cruelly deceptive by some newspapers (which had lost advertising revenue to radio) and public figures, leading to an outcry against the perpetrators of the broadcast and calls for regulation by the Federal Communications Commission.[1] Despite these complaints—or perhaps in part because of them—the episode secured Welles's fame as a dramatist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio_drama)

*KZ note-- I doubt that the legacy of Christopher Dolan will endure as the same kind of dramatist as Orson Welles.

 

[SwampMama]

I had another thought about the reports that Jahi's body has experienced menarche, +/- whether or not she has continued to have menstrual periods.

Remember Nailah Winkfield's comment way back when, when she gave interviews, and spoke of how "flawless" Jahi's skin was, and how she had so much "energy", and was "blossoming into a teenager before my eyes?" That seemed like such an incredibly incongruous statement, given Jahi's state of brain death, that back then, it stuck in my mind. And NW was positive to almost the point of being "giddy" in that interview-- again, really out of context to the situation. At the time I even briefly wondered if a menses event occurred-- like, what other event in a comatose teen would trigger that kind of comment from a mother, about "blossoming"? That was back in March-- articles dated March 28. I'm thinking that may have been when the menarche event occurred.

Not that the timing of menarche matters at all in the big picture, but the "blossoming" comment stuck with me. So, I can see where NW might see that as a positive sign of healing and improvement. After all, the reproductive process, and the uterus "gives" life, and if that began to function, it may have given her more hope. Sadly, false hope, again.

http://www.newser.com/story/184464/mom-jahi-blossoming-into-a-teen.html

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...er-Says-of-Brain-Dead-Daughter-252700851.html

I remember seeing posts one of the social media sites many months ago where someone congratulated NW. The poster said that she had heard about Jahi becoming a "woman" and I thought it strange at the time. I just assumed that with the weight loss that Jahi is bound to have that her mom counted this as part of growing up or blossoming, as Jahi's face would be thinner, with more prominent bone structure. Previously with Jahi being obese, much of the bone structure in the face would have been hidden behind fat. (That is not being said in a mean way, I just know when I lost weight when I was severely ill for over a year that my bones became much more prominent in my face and I looked older).

Over all this is just such a sad case because a child died, her family is in denial and angry at CHO and anyone who feels Jahi is dead. For them to admit she is dead and that she will not recover is tantamount to admitting that their enemies were right and Jahi has been dead all along. They will never give in and gracefully accept the truth and let her go. Then there are the various "users" who are just using Jahi to promote their own agenda- Dolan with his proposition going to vote ( and if it passes he stand to substantially increase his income). The assorted "medical experts" who say Jahi isn't dead although they have never examined her in person, she is like a prop to them to further their very unconventional stance on brain death ( or lack of its existence).

Then there are the sadly uneducated people who believe Jahi is alive and is moving purposefully, responding and improving. I feel they are being taken advantage of by a sob story that is NOT factual. They are the ones who donate, support NW, post delusional comments and most of all, donate keep the dream alive that Jahi will rise.

 

[Nore]

I think the commas failed them. Brain flow is not even a term. We know her brain is not intact. I question the menstrual cycle. Following commands? Doubt that strongly. PMS: No.

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Hi Zuri, you know I have no medical training except for what I experienced with my son. Still this case has me wondering. While scouting the internet I read up on Jahi. I saw the movement video which brought back memories, hard to take. The movement is all reflex. Stands out like a sore thumb. She moved her hand then in an instant her right side moved. Jerky, stiff , like a seizure movement. I've seen many of those also true movement . The bleeding~ K_Z could it be a break down of female organs which have begun to deteriorate? The only way IMO to prove life as normal is to remove the ventilator. My son came off ventilator and was able to breathe. I also believe the real problem now is money. No one can support this child forever. The family has backed themselves against a wall. I wish them lots of luck. IMO. :loveyou:

 

[SwampMama]

Here is a curious question. If Dolan does get his proposition passed, would it be retroactive to Jahi's case? After all, technically her death occurred before the proposition was voted on. Or is having Jahi declared "alive" again part of a plan to reset her date of death as to occur after the proposition passed so that the family gets more than the "chump change" that Uncle O was so indignant about.

 

[Hiandmighty]

What does that mean anyway, "Rutgers" has seen her. Rutgers isn't a person.

Considering how religious this family claims to be, I am astounded that they have given Jahi Jesus-like qualities: Jahi will rise again. Like she is the second-coming or something......

 

[southernmimi]

There is no delicate way to ask this question, but how long can Jahi continue to exist in her present state without decomposition?

 

[Hiandmighty]

MOO having seen some fingernail/manicure photos, it appears her fingers have begun slight decomposition, along with the corners of her eye sockets. This is just MOO. :moo:

So it seems it has begun but if they keep her room freezing and keep pumping her body with supplements and whatnot, they have been able to stave it off for longer than people imagined would be possible....

 

[Hiandmighty]

What I don't understand is why Dolan just doesn't get 3 independant pediatric neurologists to examine Jahi? Why not do the accepted standards for brain death determination? Yes, there are those that think differently, but in this case, why not do the norm? If they really believe Jahi is not brain dead?

Probably because this whole circus would get shut down when her body would be declared a biohazard.....

 

[Destiny617]

Here is a curious question. If Dolan does get his proposition passed, would it be retroactive to Jahi's case? After all, technically her death occurred before the proposition was voted on. Or is having Jahi declared "alive" again part of a plan to reset her date of death as to occur after the proposition passed so that the family gets more than the "chump change" that Uncle O was so indignant about.

This is a really good question! I've read all the ballot initiative information I got in the mail last week, and I cannot find anything about when it would be in effect and if there's an option for retroactive lawsuit filings. As a California citizen, this concerns me. And IMO Prop 46 seems to be a fear-mongering measure mainly about requiring physicians to take drug tests and report the results with Dolan's measure piggy-backed with a small paperclip. (MOO)