James Kolar's New Book Will Blow the Lid off the JonBenet Ramsey Investigation

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No. But they should give his opinion the same amount of respect they would want others to show them.
There are ways to disagree and discuss why instead of just disagreeing just to be disagreeable.
JMO, I'll leave it at that.

There is no reason to give respect to an opinion you don't agree with. He is entitled to it but I don't have to respect it.

Just as you don't have to respect my opinion.. Only my right to say it and post it and talk about it.

The opinion itself has to earn respect.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes - continue to traumatise the traumatised boy. Interrogate him repeatedly! That'll improve his behaviour no end. And was she actually saying he has multiple personalities there?

Jeez.

My daughter suffered a relatively (to Burke) lesser emotional trauma a few years ago, and spent two solid years acting out, not knowing how to express her anger and frustration. No secrets or siblings murders involved - she was just an angry kid, and nobody could blame her for being one.

Just like I cannot blame Burke for being an angry kid.

'Burke chucked his trombone is and therefore keeping secrets about a murder' is patently ridiculous.

And people saying "Burke murdered his sister" are only contributing to a young man's unhappiness. There's no proof he did so. He hasn't been charged. Not ever been charged -- so why is he a suspect and Fleet White isn't? FW was never charged either. But gods forbid we mention HIM, because he's never been charged!

It just seems like another Ramsey bandwagon, wringing a stone for blood.

I agree completely. This kid is a victim. Even now. This theory to me is a last ditch effort to keep smearing the Ramsey's without proof or evidence.

IT is just made up and people's unqualified opinions end up getting spun into facts in the case when it is just rumor and innuendo.

The reason this case has so many problems is because if people don't see a solution, They just make one up along with a story of complete fantasy.

 

[Venom]

Yes I would have said the same.

Being open to all the possibilities applies directly to the adults involved not a 9 yr old child. For that to be put in play there would be some deviancy, Something else that would make it so. Until that is proven he is off limits as far as I am concerned.

But, while unlikely in your opinion, it is possible that a 9 year old could have done something. You can't have it as only adults are open to all possibilities.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

But, while unlikely in your opinion, it is possible that a 9 year old could have done something. You can't have it as only adults are open to all possibilities.

Yes I can because there is a different standard. And to use some of the logic here, Show me a case where a 9 yr old sexually assaulted his sister, bashed her in the head and then garroted her leaving the body in the house.

It never happened. It did not happen here. I don't see any way that BR is responsible or participated in this death. OMO

 

[madeleine]

Yes I can because there is a different standard. And to use some of the logic here, Show me a case where a 9 yr old sexually assaulted his sister, bashed her in the head and then garroted her leaving the body in the house.

It never happened. It did not happen here. I don't see any way that BR is responsible or participated in this death. OMO

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/10/48hours/main660314.shtml

At 13, Smith was at the center of a media storm. His redheaded looks, and his age, were so completely at odds with his horrific crime that he almost got away with murder.

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Smith attracted Robie to a remote location in a park. There Smith strangled Robie, dropped a pair of large rocks on the boy’s head, undressed his body, and sodomized him with a tree limb. The cause of death was determined to be blunt trauma to the head with contributing asphyxia. Two days after Robie's funeral, Smith admitted to Robie's killing. In 1994 Smith was convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to the maximum term then available for juvenile murderers — a minimum of nine years to life in prison.

 

[Venom]

Yes I can because there is a different standard. And to use some of the logic here, Show me a case where a 9 yr old sexually assaulted his sister, bashed her in the head and then garroted her leaving the body in the house.

It never happened. It did not happen here. I don't see any way that BR is responsible or participated in this death. OMO

Twist things as you will.
My comment was: "But, while unlikely in your opinion, it is possible that a 9 year old could have done something. You can't have it as only adults are open to all possibilities."

I never stated that BR did ALL or ANY of those things. I've put some thought into it I'll admit. So please show me where anyone stated that BR did ALL of those?

 

[madeleine]

I don't see any way that BR is responsible or participated in this death.

Then please show me some evidence that an intruder is or did.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Then please show me some evidence that an intruder is or did.

This is not how it works for me. I know that you want a big blown up theory but I don't have one. I am not going to make one up as other has made theories up about the R's.

What I will say is there is DNA that belongs to no one in the family. That is a big thing for me. While people want to ignore it, they will use that same DNA from a family member to link one of them, So you have to play that even. If there is DNA that does not belong to the family, Then it has to be considered. The crime itself. A sexual assault with a head bashing and then a garroting. I have been looking and can not come up with garroting by a family member to another as a way to kill them. To look in your babies face and put a noose around her neck and tighten it down? There is no history of any kind of abuse in this family. Nothing.

People want these people to be monsters but it is all made up. There is no history of this family being anything but normal up until this point.

IT makes no sense to leave the body there if it was a family member and then call the police and lead them to the evidence.

There are a lot of things even before dissecting evidence that just do not make sense. Not on any level for it to be the family.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Twist things as you will.
My comment was: "But, while unlikely in your opinion, it is possible that a 9 year old could have done something. You can't have it as only adults are open to all possibilities."

I never stated that BR did ALL or ANY of those things. I've put some thought into it I'll admit. So please show me where anyone stated that BR did ALL of those?

I'm not twisting things. I am saying it plainly.

To put forth BR as a theory He is the main focus yes??? Otherwise, what is the point of even bringing his name up. Go through this thread and others here. There is plenty posts about BR and made up scenarios.

So your theory is what, He did part of it? The Ramsey's gathered around JB and took turns trying to kill her or molest her? Like some left over 70's cult film?

BR should be left alone without concrete proof. He is a victim.

 

[madeleine]

There is no history of any kind of abuse in this family. Nothing.

There is no history of this family being anything but normal up until this point.

No one ever checked.
One example....JR lawyered up his ex-wife and his kids to prevent them from talking about the past.
We don't have their medical records nor do we know their mental history (JK talked about this as well). PR/JR/BR
So how can we know whether everything was "normal" or not if no one looked into it.

 

[madeleine]

This is not how it works for me.

How does it work?Who killed JB?No one?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/10/48hours/main660314.shtml

At 13, Smith was at the center of a media storm. His redheaded looks, and his age, were so completely at odds with his horrific crime that he almost got away with murder.

-------------

Smith attracted Robie to a remote location in a park. There Smith strangled Robie, dropped a pair of large rocks on the boy’s head, undressed his body, and sodomized him with a tree limb. The cause of death was determined to be blunt trauma to the head with contributing asphyxia. Two days after Robie's funeral, Smith admitted to Robie's killing. In 1994 Smith was convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to the maximum term then available for juvenile murderers — a minimum of nine years to life in prison.

This was a 13 yr old. Deeply disturbed boy who murdered this little boy. I remember this case clearly and have researched it over the years. 9 and 13 are far apart maturity wise and this kid was a stranger to him. Not his little sister or brother.

I have no doubt that if never caught, This kid would have tried this again.
This is not relevant to this case. Too many things that are not common.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No one ever checked.
One example....JR lawyered up his ex-wife and his kids to prevent them from talking about the past.
We don't have their medical records nor do we know their mental history (JK talked about this as well). PR/JR/BR
So how can we know whether everything was "normal" or not if no one looked into it.

Sorry, In all this time, I am betting that here have been extensive inquiries looking for any abuse in this family. Reports, school, Drs, Anything.. And while I know it would technically be private info it would have leaked. There is nothing or it would be out there.

 

[madeleine]

This was a 13 yr old. Deeply disturbed boy who murdered this little boy. I remember this case clearly and have researched it over the years. 9 and 13 are far apart maturity wise and this kid was a stranger to him. Not his little sister or brother.

This is not relevant to this case. Too many things that are not common.

:floorlaughh gosh I knew it

does it matter if it was just another boy or a sibling fgs?
so 13 year olds ARE capable of murder,9 year olds aren't....OK
whatever....

 

[madeleine]

Sorry, In all this time, I am betting that here have been extensive inquiries looking for any abuse in this family. Reports, school, Drs, Anything.. And while I know it would technically be private info it would have leaked. There is nothing or it would be out there.

assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups

 

[madeleine]

your arguments are falling apart I am afraid

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

your arguments are falling apart I am afraid

If you think so than that is good for you.

My theory is that someone broke in and molested and killed this little girl. I don't see anything that points me toward the family at this point. Nothing. All the evidence there that people use to point to the family is supposed to be there and means nothing.

Fingerprints, dna, fibers, All belong in the house and on the persons and objects. So they don't point to anyone in the family. It just proves who lives there.

 

[Venom]

I'm not twisting things. I am saying it plainly.

To put forth BR as a theory He is the main focus yes??? Otherwise, what is the point of even bringing his name up. Go through this thread and others here. There is plenty posts about BR and made up scenarios.

So your theory is what, He did part of it? The Ramsey's gathered around JB and took turns trying to kill her or molest her? Like some left over 70's cult film?

BR should be left alone without concrete proof. He is a victim.

With all respect, you put forth many contradictions. I'm just going to leave it at that.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

:floorlaughh gosh I knew it

does it matter if it was just another boy or a sibling fgs?
so 13 year olds ARE capable of murder,9 year olds aren't....OK
whatever....

It certainly matters. There is many many horrible killers out there that will kill and murder and maim others but to their family they are not at all dangerous.

IT matters that this kid did not go after someone in his house. He chose a kid smaller than him and did in the woods, Where he thought he would not get caught.

9 yr olds as a rule no they aren't. At least not this kind. This is not a frustration killing, Or a momentary thing, This is someone who planned and tool their time.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

With all respect, you put forth many contradictions. I'm just going to leave it at that.

No contradictions. He either did it or he didn't. He played a part? What was his part? This was a family effort?

You asked to show you where someone said BR did it all, Well if he didn't, than that means while he hurt her his parents participated somehow. Someone had to do the rest.

I see contradictions but not with my theories.