James Kolar's New Book Will Blow the Lid off the JonBenet Ramsey Investigation

[ScarlettScarpetta]

assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups

Im not assuming. Not at all. If there was anything that could point to the R's as being abusive in anyway it would be out there. It would not have stayed hidden all this time.

 

[madeleine]

Im not assuming. Not at all. If there was anything that could point to the R's as being abusive in anyway it would be out there. It would not have stayed hidden all this time.

how on earth do you know that.you are ASSUMING.it's your opinion,not fact.

 

[madeleine]

My theory is that someone broke in and molested and killed this little girl.

Someone...okay.
evidence of break-in pls?

 

[Venom]

No contradictions. He either did it or he didn't. He played a part? What was his part? This was a family effort?

You asked to show you where someone said BR did it all, Well if he didn't, than that means while he hurt her his parents participated somehow. Someone had to do the rest.

I see contradictions but not with my theories.

You say that we need to be open to ALL possibilities. Then next it's you won't consider a 9 year old doing this and to show you a case. Someone shows you a somewhat similar case and you dismiss it as nothing like this case. You say that there is unmatched dna that you think is possibly from an intruder...well it could also possibly be from a factory worker that made the panties. You say this was a planned murder...it is just as likely that it wasn't planned. :scared:

 

[Venom]

Im not assuming. Not at all. If there was anything that could point to the R's as being abusive in anyway it would be out there. It would not have stayed hidden all this time.

You're assuming that it would have been leaked by now.
And it is possible that it would have been leaked by now but just as possible that it hasn't.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You're assuming that it would have been leaked by now.
And it is possible that it would have been leaked by now but just as possible that it hasn't.

With all we know about this case, we know that if Burke had been in trouble, If there was some record of abuse we would know about it by now.

People are chomping at the bit to get something on them, since they don't have it they make it up and ASSUME they must have been abusive or vile.

Either way.. People are assuming.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You say that we need to be open to ALL possibilities. Then next it's you won't consider a 9 year old doing this and to show you a case. Someone shows you a somewhat similar case and you dismiss it as nothing like this case. You say that there is unmatched dna that you think is possibly from an intruder...well it could also possibly be from a factory worker that made the panties. You say this was a planned murder...it is just as likely that it wasn't planned. :scared:

I won't. Because that is not a reasonable possibility. That would be out of the realm of possibility here. There is no way it works. HE either did the whole thing, which would make him a deviate and there is no way he functions normally after that, Or he would have had to have some part and then his parents finished the job.

It just makes no sense. None. Not with the normal history of this family. While no family is perfect there is nothing in their history that makes this probable.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Someone...okay.
evidence of break-in pls?

Maybe they had a key, maybe the slipped through in the broken window? Found an open window, I see more than one possibility here.

 

[Nom de plume]

Im not assuming. Not at all. If there was anything that could point to the R's as being abusive in anyway it would be out there. It would not have stayed hidden all this time.

Actually Scarlett it IS out there! JR's oldest daughter Beth tried to commit suicide. She went to therapy afterwards. Many of her college friends have come forward to say she attempted suicide because she was sexually abused by her father!!

Yeah...I know..."just unfounded rumor" so don't even bother replying to me. Like it or not, where there's smoke there's fire!!

 

[Venom]

With all we know about this case, we know that if Burke had been in trouble, If there was some record of abuse we would know about it by now.

People are chomping at the bit to get something on them, since they don't have it they make it up and ASSUME they must have been abusive or vile.

Either way.. People are assuming.

Including you.

You are assuming that any deviant behaviors, or being abusive would have been leaked by now. Their records are sealed. It's possible that it would have been leaked by now, but also possible that they weren't. You don't know any more then I do if there are records of abuse.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Actually Scarlett it IS out there! JR's oldest daughter Beth tried to commit suicide. She went to therapy afterwards. Many of her college friends have come forward to say she attempted suicide because she was sexually abused by her father!!

Yeah...I know..."just unfounded rumor" so don't even bother replying to me. Like it or not, where there's smoke there's fire!!

Rumor though.. Not confirmed and not substantiated. We don't know that is true but you did make my point.. If there was something that these people were abusive it would be out there for all to see. Sometimes where there is smoke, there is just someone blowing it.

ETA: Also as much as I search I can not find one credible source for this.. So yes.. Rumor.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Including you.

You are assuming that any deviant behaviors, or being abusive would have been leaked by now. Their records are sealed. It's possible that it would have been leaked by now, but also possible that they weren't. You don't know any more then I do if there are records of abuse.

We live in the information age. Nothing is hidden. Not well anyway. You can always find out if something is there.

 

[slug]

Kids can sometimes kill, I remember the James Bulger case here in the UK and it was horrible, yes it is a rare thing but I don't feel age should be a reason alone to rule someone out.
I am a fence sitter in this case as i'm not 100% convinced that it was one of the 3 living there that did it but feel that if it wasn't then it was either another family member or close friend to the family.

 

[Nom de plume]

Scarlett,
I have a sincere question for you. I'm not trying to be hateful or snarky. I am really interested in your answer. Why are you here? It's quite obvious you don't want to discuss this case. You attempt to shoot down every single theory, piece of proof, example, etc. that an RDI posts. You say we all have to keep an open mind, yet yours is the most closed of anyone on the JB threads. I don't believe BDI, but I'm open to the possibility.

Most RDIs have a flexible theory about exactly what happened, and who did what, and what their intentions were. Just this weekend I've adjusted my theory as to why the body was left in the house. I've seen several other posters do the same. We, as RDI as a whole, are open minded and flexible in our thinking. You're not. AT ALL!

So I just wonder what brings you here to post daily? Are you trying to turn us all into IDI, because I can guarantee you that's not going to happen? I will take the liberty of speaking for most of the RDI posters here when I say that we couldn't care less if you want to be IDI, RDI, or an :ufo: DI. Think what ever you want.

We come here to exchange ideas and theories in the hopes that we'll find the truth. So far, I personally have not seen you offer any ideas or theories. I have however seen you attempt to prove to the RDIs how wrong we are, badmouth well respected LE, and disregard anything that does not support your IDI theory. That just makes me wonder what your true purpose here might be, because it's quite obvious it's not to discuss this case.
NDP

 

[Venom]

Scarlett,
I have a sincere question for you. I'm not trying to be hateful or snarky. I am really interested in your answer. Why are you here? It's quite obvious you don't want to discuss this case. You attempt to shoot down every single theory, piece of proof, example, etc. that an RDI posts. You say we all have to keep an open mind, yet yours is the most closed of anyone on the JB threads. I don't believe BDI, but I'm open to the possibility.

Most RDIs have a flexible theory about exactly what happened, and who did what, and what their intentions were. Just this weekend I've adjusted my theory as to why the body was left in the house. I've seen several other posters do the same. We, as RDI as a whole, are open minded and flexible in our thinking. You're not. AT ALL!

So I just wonder what brings you here to post daily? Are you trying to turn us all into IDI, because I can guarantee you that's not going to happen? I will take the liberty of speaking for most of the RDI posters here when I say that we couldn't care less if you want to be IDI, RDI, or an :ufo: DI. Think what ever you want.

We come here to exchange ideas and theories in the hopes that we'll find the truth. So far, I personally have not seen you offer any ideas or theories. I have however seen you attempt to prove to the RDIs how wrong we are, badmouth well respected LE, and disregard anything that does not support your IDI theory. That just makes me wonder what your true purpose here might be, because it's quite obvious it's not to discuss this case.
NDP

:goodpost:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Scarlett,
I have a sincere question for you. I'm not trying to be hateful or snarky. I am really interested in your answer. Why are you here? It's quite obvious you don't want to discuss this case. You attempt to shoot down every single theory, piece of proof, example, etc. that an RDI posts. You say we all have to keep an open mind, yet yours is the most closed of anyone on the JB threads. I don't believe BDI, but I'm open to the possibility.

Most RDIs have a flexible theory about exactly what happened, and who did what, and what their intentions were. Just this weekend I've adjusted my theory as to why the body was left in the house. I've seen several other posters do the same. We, as RDI as a whole, are open minded and flexible in our thinking. You're not. AT ALL!

So I just wonder what brings you here to post daily? Are you trying to turn us all into IDI, because I can guarantee you that's not going to happen? I will take the liberty of speaking for most of the RDI posters here when I say that we couldn't care less if you want to be IDI, RDI, or an :ufo: DI. Think what ever you want.

We come here to exchange ideas and theories in the hopes that we'll find the truth. So far, I personally have not seen you offer any ideas or theories. I have however seen you attempt to prove to the RDIs how wrong we are, badmouth well respected LE, and disregard anything that does not support your IDI theory. That just makes me wonder what your true purpose here might be, because it's quite obvious it's not to discuss this case.
NDP

I do want to discuss the case.. Actually that is what I thought we were doing. This post is for what? To call me out because I think about his differently? Or see it differently?
As far as I can see we are exchanging posts, ideas thoughts.

Pretty sure with the exception of this post, All my posts have been about the case in chief.

I think the issue is that some only want to discuss it from one angle and try and make other seem less smart or versed in the case because that POV is not popular.

I care about JBR. The person who did this to her should be caught and punished. It is awful to me that she has no justice yet, at least not we can see.

When I look at this case I see a lot of things that don't add up to the family. I have found nothing that changes that.

I am open to theories that work. I have not seen one on the RDI that works for me. So no I am not flexible in that I will jump camps to suit others. If one are RDI , then one is just as inflexible in that they are not going to switch camps to suit others.

If there is to be a discussion on the case it has to be all views accepted agreed with or not. Not calling people out because you don't like their perspective on the case.

 

[Venom]

We live in the information age. Nothing is hidden. Not well anyway. You can always find out if something is there.

Really?!? We can find sealed documents.

/sarcasm

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Really?!? We can find sealed documents.

Not all the time, But depending on the information most times you can.. Look at all the security leaks. It is out there, if you know how to get it.

If there was such a history, I believe that someone would have come forth with it.
It is easy to say someone said something when they are dead and can not confirm or deny it.

With all the time and all the effort made in this case, If there were witnesses, suspicions, anything that was anti Ramsey, I think it would be out by now.

 

[slug]

Really?!? We can find sealed documents.

I'm sure there is loads of stuff that is not visable to the public on this case, alot of the time cases which happened along time ago will not be available till 100 years have passed( at least in the uk that is often the case with murders)
And as this case has never been solved or tried then it would be a bad idea to let everything be known incase it ever is tried.
But I think if this case had happened in the last 5 years more would be easier to have found with the way the internet is going often things that shouldn't be seen in many crimes are all over the web within a short time.

 

[Nom de plume]

I do want to discuss the case.. Actually that is what I thought we were doing. This post is for what? To call me out because I think about his differently? Or see it differently?
As far as I can see we are exchanging posts, ideas thoughts.

Pretty sure with the exception of this post, All my posts have been about the case in chief.

I think the issue is that some only want to discuss it from one angle and try and make other seem less smart or versed in the case because that POV is not popular.

I care about JBR. The person who did this to her should be caught and punished. It is awful to me that she has no justice yet, at least not we can see.

When I look at this case I see a lot of things that don't add up to the family. I have found nothing that changes that.

I am open to theories that work. I have not seen one on the RDI that works for me. So no I am not flexible in that I will jump camps to suit others. If one are RDI , then one is just as inflexible in that they are not going to switch camps to suit others.

If there is to be a discussion on the case it has to be all views accepted agreed with or not. Not calling people out because you don't like their perspective on the case.

No one is calling you out because you're not RDI Scarlett. There have been many RDI here that offer proof (at least what they consider proof) of an intruder. They've offered theories, and actually been open to the possibility that they are wrong. I personally have had some very pleasant debates with IDIs. If you offered ANYTHING that was proof of an IDI, or ANY theory, that would be different. I know...that's not how it works for you. Well, that's how it works for the rest of us. If we just shot down any idea that didn't work for us, without discussing what makes us think otherwise, we'd never get anywhere. You see what you believe is absence of proof of RDI, but will offer nothing to support your IDI belief. For the rest of us, there's plenty to support RDI, which we state on a regular basis, but nothing to support IDI. You cannot reasonably expect anyone to be open to IDI when you refuse to offer anything that will support your position.

IMO, I think your purpose is to distract the debate away from RDI in any way you can find, otherwise you'd offer something to the debate other than "I don't see anything that points to the family." "This person isn't credible." "That means nothing." etc. :moo: & :twocents: