I said he couldn’t do it in relative silence. Ofcourse this assumes that the neighbours are telling the truth. I personally don’t think so, but I just wanted to generate an alternate hypothesis for how a relatively soundless crime could be committed.
RSMB: Ah, my misunderstanding. I too think there was almost certainly noise during the murders. We can assume there was shock and we can even accept the possibility perhaps therefore there were no screams. But we know Mikio fell / was pushed down the stairs. Those stairs are wooden and he was not made of feathers. If anybody hears the bang of the ladder how do they not hear the body down the stairs. Now, it may be argued that this, in fact, is what the Iries heard. But the problem is that the TMPD replicated the sounds via experiments and it was judged to be the ladder.
So, even if he had the compliance of Yasuko and Niina, it's a fact that Mikio went down the stairs and it's a fact he struggled with the killer in a narrow space. As I have stated from the beginning of this thread, it may be possible that played out in silence. I'm just yet to see a convincing explanation for it.
He definitely did overpower the entire family, separately and at points spread across time and space. Could it have been dumb luck? Maybe. But we know that Mikio was maybe partly visible working from the outside. So it could have been part of the plan. Which would explain the relative lack of sound.
Wait, was Mikio visible from the outside? How so? I didn't realise he was visible at all. At any rate, even if he was, does this assume the killer knew he was in there but didn't tackle Mikio first? That would either demonstrate extreme confidence in his ability to enter the house silently (something which the reconstruction shows is impossible if he uses the bathroom window) and definitely discounts the front door. That leaves Rei's balcony. But that's either extreme confidence or just a stupid approach; anybody would try to disable the primary threat to their plan first.
Again I never said the guy was trained to kill. Quite the opposite. We know he is a novice. But that doesn’t mean he couldn’t have had the means to plan ahead a kill. The acts of killing itself are brazen and senseless, but maybe the ambush was not.
Why couldn't he have the means to plan the kill? Apologies if I'm not understanding.
You are right. We see the killer is very brazen in his attacks and his thud. He does demonstrate a lack of self preservation. But you would presume Yasuko and the little girl would still have certain survival instincts. We know the killer leaves them to go to the kitchen and get the 2nd knife, so how is he sure they would not start screaming or banging the attic walls or even the attic floor. We know sounds from there definitely do carry across since the Ann’s reported that. So why was nothing heard?
He also demonstrates self-preservation; he patches himself up, he rehydrates, he flees and avoids police, never handing himself in. As I always say, he's so contradictory. As for Yasuko and Niina's survival instincts. They were likely in shock. When the killer leaves them in the attic, they may have wanted to believe he was going for good. How could they have known he would abort the attack to find a better knife? As someone who has been stabbed, I can say that my brain
did not want to accept what was about to happen. It was a useless thought but it's what went through my head nonetheless. When Yasuko carries Niina down, it's possible she thought the killer had even left. Or simply, she was so in shock, that she couldn't make the sounds we think someone might. I've seen many times in my life, someone freeze in a fight or flight situation. Someone being groped on a bus, someone in an earthquake, or me when I was stabbed etc.
Now, while I believe that there were sounds, I'm just saying it's possible there weren't any / as many from Yasuko and Niina. My feeling is that Mikio would be the main source of noise.
Again this assumes the Ann’s are telling the absolute truth, something I don’t believe in.
While I understand your concerns here and have said multiple times that there are aspects here that don't make sense, they are relatives of the victims and WS policy here is always to be victim-friendly. I'm sure you already know that, just something to be careful of as I've seen users moderated on this topic.
@Incoherent the final position of the body isn’t very indicative of what she may or may not have seen. We know she was the one viciously attacked so it could have been moved post mortem. It all depends on what Rei looked like. From far away, he could look like he was sleeping to a severely injured and distraught mother. Maybe she was even trying to reach his room before she was intercepted by the killer a 2nd time.
There are photos and videos of the scene. In one of my first posts here in Thread 1, the video of Ann in the home makes it pretty clear the relation of the ladder to the boy's bed, where he was found. He died face down. Personally, I don't think Yasuko could have any way of knowing that Rei was already dead. But if she had enough time to get down the stairs and was physically able to, I don't see how she doesn't at least call his name. Then again, she might have been so badly hurt that she didn't -- or she didn't want to give away her position to the killer. Who knows.
Its again a misinterpretation. I have never really factored in video games as having any relevance into the crime. That point was just to explain to someone else about how one could maybe be used to a certain degree of violence and be very calm and collected about it, especially around blood despite being young and not being into one of those professions which tend to work with a lot of human or animal blood. Ofcourse it could just as well be that the killer is a born psychopath. Nothing to rule that.
I understood you to have raised video games as something to explain the killer's desensitisation to violence. If I misunderstood that, my bad. My point was that I disagree with that entirely, fictional violence and real violence are obviously very different things. I've scored the winning goal in a world cup final in a video game, it wouldn't give me an edge in the real world. We can agree to disagree. RE: the killer's disposition, we also don't know how calm he was in the moment. He could have been panicking (though I agree that his actions subsequent to the murders don't really jive with that). But it's also possible that, while scared, he simply thought that since the police had not yet come, he was safe. Psychopathy is also possible.
I agree with your explaination at the end. Its like if you have creaky shoes, you try to tread lightly, and it could very well be the case that the Miyazawas were more careful around it. Could also explain the soundproofing done to maybe dampen the effect at their house although wouldn’t explain why he would do it at both sides.
As far as I know, Mikio didn't want to put up with the noise, nor did he want the Iries to hear his. I have my theories on that but it's nothing revolutionary, all families argue. What I found shocking was when it was explained to me how poor the soundproofing was, how little it would do to actually stop sound travelling. Thanks for your thoughts,
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