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Based on what's now being released, I think LE could have nailed him long before they did for this murder.
Based on what's now being released, I think LE could have nailed him long before they did for this murder.
Really? I'm not trying to be confrontational, at all, but I don't see it that way. God, if there was anyway they could have caught this sooner, I wish they had! What is it that you think was an obvious sign that JLM murdered Morgan before the testing of his DNA against the t-shirt? I see it as that they had a lot of information but couldn't tie it all together.
Based on what's now being released, I think LE could have nailed him long before they did for this murder.
I think we are looking at all the assembled facts with perfect 20/20 hindsight. My impression from what I've read is the witness exiting the cab only saw the blonde woman with the Pantera t shirt,not that she actually saw her getting into the cab-the story always was that MH was last seen on the bridge, not getting into a cab.I don't think LE was onto JLM until Hannah Graham. When they found MH's remains we were told there was the "cold hit" on the DNA from the Fairfax case-it now seems like that DNA was actually from the tshirt not the remains. JLM was finally identified after Hannah Graham when he was on that security cam from "the mall", then things fell into place.
I am a longtime lurker and def remember the discussion of taxis here, but I'm just thinking ... This means the people who saw her and claim they remember the shirt, never saw a Missing Morgan poster and reported what they saw?
I get that knowing JM is a predator caused them to look for a more specific connection, but the statement of facts make it seem like the witnesses to Morgan getting into the taxi we're 100% sure it was her and with all the press that MH got and the shirt specifically, I am just still left wondering what happened here.
IIRC the discussion of taxis was because Morgan's phone & purse & one other belonging which escapes my memory (maybe a camera?) were found in the area of the taxi staging area. But the last sighting of Morgan was her hitch hiking on Copeley bridge so we moved on from the subject of her getting in the taxi at the staging area. One other thing, LE will lie and mislead the public in press conferences and msm to preserve the integregrity of the case or to confuse a potential suspect.
someone please correct me if I'm misremembering, a lot of time has passed since I followed the cases closely.
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I remember it that way also-the Harrington family put that memorial up on the Copley Bridge.At the time weren't we also focusing on college basketball team members that were also doing some "staging" in that same parking lot?
Yes Yes! Thank you. We were indeed discussing the basketball team also being staged in that area. And IIRC we were also distracted by the newspaper delivery lady who claimed to have seen Morgan in the early morning hours while delivering papers?. Didn't some B'ball players live in/near said residence? Now we know that couldn't have been Morgan because of the timeline.
Really? I'm not trying to be confrontational, at all, but I don't see it that way. God, if there was anyway they could have caught this sooner, I wish they had! What is it that you think was an obvious sign that JLM murdered Morgan before the testing of his DNA against the t-shirt? I see it as that they had a lot of information but couldn't tie it all together.
I think if they would have pursued that taxi angle to the fullest extent, they would have had no choice but to name JM as a suspect. Then, when the shirt was found, they had JM's DNA along with a hair from his dog. For such a high profile case, I think the police work might be considered a bit shoddy?
I have to agree with this. Based on the Statement of evidence, if the taxi angle had been pursued, LE would have found out about JLM disappearing that night during the hours in question, perhaps they would have been able to obtain his phone records and discover the connection with a tower near Anchorage Farm. Of course hind sight is 20/20 as others have said, I just can't help feeling the ball was dropped a bit.I think if they would have pursued that taxi angle to the fullest extent, they would have had no choice but to name JM as a suspect. Then, when the shirt was found, they had JM's DNA along with a hair from his dog. For such a high profile case, I think the police work might be considered a bit shoddy?
Ah yes...the newspaper lady! Don't forget the guy Morgan allegedly kicked (do you remember that one?)About JLM- if I understand correctly did JLM confess to everything BEFORE they even found Hannah Grahams remains?
I just don't think there was enough evidence to have suggested that Morgan got in a taxi cab that morning. Yes, some of her stuff was found near the staging area but how does that turn into nailing JLM for MH's disappearance? There are many leaps in logic, IMO.
There is no doubt of how important it was for LE to have found JLM sooner. So many victims of his vulgar groping, raping, murdering, disgusting person could have been saved.
Could LE have looked at all of the taxi logs? Did they? Did any of the trips look suspicious? Did they overlook anything? Did they have JLM in their sights from the jump but couldn't tie him to it because they didn't have probable cause to get his DNA to test the shirt against? They didn't get his direct DNA until 2015.
For me, I don't get the sense that LE dropped the ball on MH case. I certainly wouldn't want to have been on the team because I would be questioning every single thing I did to find MH's killer for the rest of my life. Not a sentence to be wished on anyone, IMO.
That Tshirt placement on the bushes was JM's real undoing here-why do you think he did that? At the time it seemed like a diversion,throwing suspicion onto people living near that building-he didn't realize the DNA on the shirt would incriminate him eventually.If he had destroyed that Pantera shirt the case would have been much weaker.