JLM: Morgan Harrington/Fairfax Rape Victim - *Forensic Link* to MH #3

[Heroine]

I'm not sure what the problem is - I wasn't being snotty. My reading comprehension is just fine, thanks.

I wasn't being snotty either when I posted that and my post never stated hey look here are some facts. I'm sorry if I came off snotty. I truly am. I've just been annoyed the past few days, between people on twitter victim blaming and pulling the race card and the DNA argument here, I guess I've been in less than a great mood. Once again, sorry.

 

[Heroine]

This was him right after he took Hannah Graham, according to his work colleagues as reported in the press. As described behaving after he was asked by so many about the sketch too.

Yes it was. It clearly states in my post it was 18 days before her 5th anniversary of her being missing. maybe I misunderstood....ill see how you respond before I make corrections haha

 

[wall0214]

This was him right after he took Hannah Graham, according to his work colleagues as reported in the press. As described behaving after he was asked by so many about the sketch too.

I'm sorry, what?
Was your post meant to be in response to my post, because if so, I'm not sure what you're saying in relation to my post.

 

[MJPeony]

Conductor, I'm curious: Do you think JM is being framed, or do you think he is just one of the most unluckiest guys around?

(not snarky, I'm curious as to your personal theory given your posts)

 

[FindHG]

Virginia Tech students honor Morgan Harrington on 5 year anniversary of her disappearance
Posted: Oct 17, 2014 5:34 AM EDT
Updated: Oct 17, 2014 6:19 AM EDT
By Jade Hanson, Digital Journalist

"Hokies Holding Up Morgan."
http://www.wsls.com/story/26811217/...on-on-5-year-anniversary-of-her-disappearance

 

[wall0214]

I wasn't being snotty either when I posted that and my post never stated hey look here are some facts. I'm sorry if I came off snotty. I truly am. I've just been annoyed the past few days, between people on twitter victim blaming and pulling the race card and the DNA argument here, I guess I've been in less than a great mood. Once again, sorry.

Thanks for that. While I don't know you and shouldn't be "bothered" by what anyone posts, it came off as sharp in "tone." Have faith. I truly believe that MH & HG's rapist (yes, I said rapist!) and murderer will be brought to justice, especially after Hannah is found in the very near future!

 

[FindHG]

Event in Charlottesville to Mark Five Year Anniversary of Morgan Harrington's Disappearance

Posted: Oct 17, 2014 11:38 AM EDT
By Scott Wilson
http://www.wset.com/story/26813992/...niversary-of-morgan-harringtons-disappearance
[full text below]


Charlottesville, VA -

Friday marks the five year anniversary since Morgan Harrington was abducted and murdered during a concert in Charlottesville. Help Save the Next Girl is marking the occasion.

They've organized an event Friday at 1 p.m. at the Copley Bridge where Harrington was last seen alive in 2009. They're asking people to come early to help decorate the bridge with chalk.

They've asked that the bridge be blocked off to traffic, as they're expecting a large turnout.

 

[jamicat]

I believe he (she? - sorry, don't know) meant the information LE is releasing to the public. They are under no obligation to release any evidence to the public. What they are obligated to present in trial is totally different . . . And I personally don't think we will know any more about this "forensic link" than we know right now until trial . . . And if a plea deal is arranged we may never know.

We actually have a lot more info in this case than in many cases, both the MH and Hannah's case, in part because of the Harringtons and because of the urgency of finding Hannah's body and the need for LE to get public help. In many cases, there is a near complete shutdown in info. One of the reasons, I am interested in this case is because so much info is given here so that we have something that we can speculate on. That also makes it important to stipulate what is truly fact as LE has out and out said and what we are getting from other sources and are coming to conclusions.

I do wish we had more specifics in the DNA info and forensic links. Given that LE was not so fast in letting people know that they got a link between the Fairfax victim and MH, it was very fast that we got news of a link found between MH and Hannah.

 

[MtnLaur]

So as they gather on the bridge to mark the fifth anniversary of Morgan’s disappearance, the Harringtons will also be thinking about Hannah and appealing for continued vigilance in the search. Because, Gil explains, even if what’s found is death, that is infinitely better than finding nothing. “When you recover the body, then you know that no one is going to do anything else to them. You cannot hurt my kid anymore.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...53e-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_story.html?hpid=z3

Thanks for sharing this. So critical that we remember Morgan as well as Hannah, and indeed all the missing and each and every family!! That last sentence says it all-- heartbreaking! Excuse me if this is inappropriate, but I'm sure there are many here who pray for God's guidance and intervention so that the truth will emerge for Hannah, Morgan, and the others. In my humble opinion, the promptings felt by a woman in Texas to resist her rational thought and steadfastly continue to Bolivar Peninsula were the result of the hand of a higher power.

 

[MJPeony]

Thanks for sharing this. So critical that we remember Morgan as well as Hannah, and indeed all the missing and each and every family!! That last sentence says it all-- heartbreaking! Excuse me if this is inappropriate, but I'm sure there are many here who pray for God's guidance and intervention so that the truth will emerge for Hannah, Morgan, and the others. In my humble opinion, the promptings felt by a woman in Texas to resist her rational thought and steadfastly continue to Bolivar Peninsula were the result of the hand of a higher power.

As was that Sal's video footage. Amazing.

(MtnLaur, everytime I see a post from you I keep thinking your name is "Matt Lauer" )

 

[MtnLaur]

As was that Sal's video footage. Amazing.

(MtnLaur, everytime I see a post from you I keep thinking your name is "Matt Lauer" )

Oh, golly, I needed that comic relief, MJPeony-:floorlaugh:

Never thought of that-- maybe I should change my name....hmmmm

Edited to add: it actually refers to mountain laurel-- love the VA mountains!

 

[FindHG]

Morgan Harrington Ceremony At Copeley Bridge

Friends, family and supporters came together to hang ribbons and banners during a ceremony along the Copeley Road bridge marking five years since Morgan Harrington's disappearance on Friday.

IMAGES

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/l...ion_5a09b488-5637-11e4-af8d-0017a43b2370.html

 

[MtnLaur]

Morgan Harrington Ceremony At Copeley Bridge

Friends, family and supporters came together to hang ribbons and banners during a ceremony along the Copeley Road bridge marking five years since Morgan Harrington's disappearance on Friday.

IMAGES

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/l...ion_5a09b488-5637-11e4-af8d-0017a43b2370.html

FindHG, THANK YOU!!!!

 

[littlemaybaby]

. . . it was very fast that we got news of a link found between MH and Hannah.

(I don't know how to bold from my phone so I snipped for focus.)

I agree and it raises other questions for me too:

- What was the reason for announcing the MH link at the peak of the HG search? Were they hoping the publicity in some way could bring in more tips for finding Hannah?

- If they could make the Hannah/MH link so quickly, have they made links to other cases and not announced it?

- Have they already ascertained that he is NOT linked to other cases and not announced it?

(I know Alexis Taylor, Samantha Clark, etc are a different thread so I'm not asking anyone to speculate on other victims here. Just commenting that the publicity of this particular link and the silence on other links (or non-links) raises questions for me.)

 

[teeandcee]

Nevermind, figured it out

 

[neverletgo]

Family of Morgan Harrington urges vigilance in search for Hannah Graham
By Ellen McCarthy October 16 at 8:16 PM

Snipped:

But Hannah is still missing, and this year’s ribbon will be black.

After Matthew’s arrest, the Harringtons invited the Graham family to their home. They tried to offer what solace they could, which, as Gil knows, is very little as long as Hannah’s whereabouts remain a mystery.

So as they gather on the bridge to mark the fifth anniversary of Morgan’s disappearance, the Harringtons will also be thinking about Hannah and appealing for continued vigilance in the search. Because, Gil explains, even if what’s found is death, that is infinitely better than finding nothing. “When you recover the body, then you know that no one is going to do anything else to them. You cannot hurt my kid anymore.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...e302a4-553e-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_story.html

 

[human]

Probable cause is not that difficult to ascertain pressing charges, but the prove that charge is (or should be). Said so and assumptions are a slippery slope; put yourself in JM's parents' shoes for a moment. What happens if he tells you he is innocent? You would then believe your son raped MH because her mother said it happened?

As for evidence, we are all only seeing the case LE is building against JM. Their job is to not objectively present facts; they select to pursue and reveal only what supports their case. Anything that weakens it does not get reported. We have heard nothing of the other side; for all we know JM could have an air tight alibi. If you want to blame someone for a lack of "cooperation", look to LE. "You have the right to remain silent; everything you say will be used against you in a court of law." Many, many people who have talked end up coerced into a confession, or end up convicted of a crime they did not commit because they thought they were "helping" LE. Not saying JM is innocent, but it is really naive to think that LE is completely neutral and infallible.

There is no way to "sleuth" without seeing how it is connected to the law, IMO. Also, it is the hallmark of good sleuthing to consider evidence that may not fit into the case or may weaken it. To confront how defense might use holes in the case and account for those only makes prosecutor's case stronger in the end.

OK. What are things that point to his innocence.

1. He may have told his grandmother he bought her drinks and then left a girl who cannot walk on her own at...........

2.

 

[jamicat]

(I don't know how to bold from my phone so I snipped for focus.)

I agree and it raises other questions for me too:

- What was the reason for announcing the MH link at the peak of the HG search? Were they hoping the publicity in some way could bring in more tips for finding Hannah?

- If they could make the Hannah/MH link so quickly, have they made links to other cases and not announced it?

- Have they already ascertained that he is NOT linked to other cases and not announced it?

(I know Alexis Taylor, Samantha Clark, etc are a different thread so I'm not asking anyone to speculate on other victims here. Just commenting that the publicity of this particular link and the silence on other links (or non-links) raises questions for me.)

IMO, a reason is likely to be the Harringtons. They have been very involved and were very upset that certain links and info were not made public in terms of the connections between MH and the Fairfax case.

As much as I admire Gil Harrington and her work, and prior posts of mine praise her, it can make things less than optimal for LE and the DA when victims' familes are involved because their opinions, their agendas, their personal desires and causes have to be taken into account, and sometimes they run contrary to what is in the best interest of the system. The Harringtons have out and out given out info that LE has not shared with the public, for whatever reason. So though, I don't have any inside info, or any sources, my guess is that the Harringtons have been all over LE from their first involvement in the Hannah Graham case for info on a link.

It is possible that DNA matches have been made for other cases for JM's buccal swab, and LE is not telling. And we do not know what the forensic link exactly is between the MH and the Hannah Graham case, because LE has not told us exactly what the link, the match is. RAT's attorney (Alexis Taylor case) has officially requested that JM's DNA be tested against what was obtained in that case and was not IDed, we know. JM's DNA will be checked against whatever is in the system, and we'll likely find out what "hits" they get.

 

[jamicat]

OK. What are things that point to his innocence.

1. He may have told his grandmother he bought her drinks and then left a girl who cannot walk on her own at...........

2.

Point to his innocence" In which case? Right now the only thing we know about that points to his guilt in the MH case is that there is some forensic link. That's all LE is saying in terms of what they have. The MO is strikingly similar, incapacitated college girl in need for a ride which JM was able to offer. Both girls accepted rides and that was last seen alive. But as for innocence on part of JM, up until the Hannah Graham disappearance, there was no indication that LE had JM on their radar for MH. They have denied interviewing him during that time, made a special announcement denying it.

In the Hannah Graham case, the only charges that were on the table agaist JM were the reckless driving which he brought onto himself after the he was being watched but NOT charged with one single thing about Hannah, and the Abduction case that came about after LE lost track of him, and there is no reason given to filing that charge; it may well have just come about upon researching what the heck else the state could charge him with. Unless they find Hannah and there is good evidence with her, the strongest charges may well end up being whatever forensic evidence MH has on JM, if indeed that is what LE has.

We really don't have a lot of specific evidence nor has LE filed many charges at all against JM. The collection of facts fits with JM as the perp, but whether it can hold up under the standards of the court is a whole other thing.

 

[Heroine]

Point to his innocence" In which case? Right now the only thing we know about that points to his guilt in the MH case is that there is some forensic link. That's all LE is saying in terms of what they have. The MO is strikingly similar, incapacitated college girl in need for a ride which JM was able to offer. Both girls accepted rides and that was last seen alive. But as for innocence on part of JM, up until the Hannah Graham disappearance, there was no indication that LE had JM on their radar for MH. They have denied interviewing him during that time, made a special announcement denying it.

In the Hannah Graham case, the only charges that were on the table agaist JM were the reckless driving which he brought onto himself after the he was being watched but NOT charged with one single thing about Hannah, and the Abduction case that came about after LE lost track of him, and there is no reason given to filing that charge; it may well have just come about upon researching what the heck else the state could charge him with. Unless they find Hannah and there is good evidence with her, the strongest charges may well end up being whatever forensic evidence MH has on JM, if indeed that is what LE has.

We really don't have a lot of specific evidence nor has LE filed many charges at all against JM. The collection of facts fits with JM as the perp, but whether it can hold up under the standards of the court is a whole other thing.

Yes a forensic link in which some of us have a reason to believe is DNA. I see more guilt than innocence. Too many coincidences for him to be innocent on all accounts. And if anyone else thinks otherwise about the plethora of coincidences then I just don't know what to tell you.