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And wasn't this after she took off the gloves like they were radioactive or something?? The whole Paugh family is really weird. :eek:

Yeah, she told the driver....I can't remember his name, but other Poster's will......"TAKE THEM OFF!! TAKE THEM OFF!"...talking about those stupid gloves...like she has a phobia or something, like the woman on Jerry Springer....(I only watch it occasionally..).....that was afraid of pickles...and one was afraid of styrofoam.

Yes, I do agree....That whole Paugh family is just plain weird.

Do you not find it odd, that Patsy's parents...haven't made a public plea for the public's help in catching the killer of their grand-daughter?? I find that VERY VERY odd....
 
Yeah, she told the driver....I can't remember his name, but other Poster's will......"TAKE THEM OFF!! TAKE THEM OFF!"...talking about those stupid gloves...like she has a phobia or something, like the woman on Jerry Springer....(I only watch it occassionally..).....that was afraid of pickles...and one was afraid of styrofoam.

Yes, I do agree....That whole Paugh family is just plain weird.

Do you not find it odd, that Patsy's parents...haven't made a public plea for the public's help in catching the killer of their grand-daughter?? I find that VERY VERY odd....

I believe it was a female officer (?).
I agree about Patsy's parents. Were John's parents deceased at the time of the murder?
 
The BPD allowed Aunt Pam dressed in a BPD uniform so as not to arouse attention to go in and gather ostensibily under the guise of getting clothes for the funeral a trunk and car full of items such as golfclubs and you name it. IMHO they should have prosecuted whoever the braintrust was that allowed that. Calls went down from the top of this whole thing. This was the Ramseys yes the Ramseys of Access Graphics and Lockheed etc. This was squelched from the get go. IMHO One day I pray the truth comes out just when the first calls were made. Exactly when they were already being advised as to handle this. These were powerful people in Boulder. I cant wait for Judiths husbands book.

I remember reading S. Thomas' book and towards the end I was just getting ready to put it down, everything bad was happening and it was unbelievable. SO CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT TOM MILLER IS GOING TO SAY. I understand he is going to talk about how they got away with what they got away with and how they used money to do it.

Now that is going to be hard to read.
 
I remember reading S. Thomas' book and towards the end I was just getting ready to put it down, everything bad was happening and it was unbelievable. SO CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT TOM MILLER IS GOING TO SAY. I understand he is going to talk about how they got away with what they got away with and how they used money to do it.

Now that is going to be hard to read.

Any word on when Mr. Miller's book will be available in the U.S.??
 
Any word on when Mr. Miller's book will be available in the U.S.??

None, I read the first chapter on FFJ and that is it. I have to ask again. But apparently publishers don't want to go near the Ramseys after the Thomas settlement.
 
None, I read the first chapter on FFJ and that is it. I have to ask again. But apparently publishers don't want to go near the Ramseys after the Thomas settlement.

Ugh! Thank you, Solace. I saw on YouTube where Mr. Miller reads from the book. I'll have to watch it again to get a "fix" until we can read the book itself. Hope he can find a publisher. How about the ones who published Rita Cosby's book about Anna Nicole? They don't seem to be scared of Lin Wood.
 
I believe it was a female officer (?).
I agree about Patsy's parents. Were John's parents deceased at the time of the murder?

I thought that it was a male driver/officer....

I have never heard a thing about John's parents.
 
I remember reading S. Thomas' book and towards the end I was just getting ready to put it down, everything bad was happening and it was unbelievable. SO CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT TOM MILLER IS GOING TO SAY. I understand he is going to talk about how they got away with what they got away with and how they used money to do it.

Now that is going to be hard to read.

I posted part of the first chapter...on a thread here. Did you get to read it? Very interesting....I will re-post it if you haven't seen it, yet.
 
Sample...Chapter One...Doc Miller's Book...".Prostitution of Justice".

From Chapter One, “Can you see my hand?”
CHAPTER 1: Can You See My Hand?

Quite clearly, she had reasons for what she had done and therefore could convince herself that she had done nothing wrong. That was why she passed the polygraph.

John Douglas, Mindhunter


On Christmas Night, 1996, six-year-old beauty princess, JonBenet Ramsey, was killed in the home of her parents in Boulder, Colorado. This is the story how and why the law failed, and continues to fail to address the facts and manner of her death.

The law in the United States, its Constitution of personal freedoms and protections, and the lawyers who administer it, all must take some responsibility for failed justice in the death of JonBenet Ramsey. In fact, this ancient legal system, clunks like an oxcart on an interstate highway, one justice for the rich – one justice for the poor. “The system” oozes a polluted mix of media, money, greed and political power when it merely pretends to address justice.

Had the law performed as envisioned a hundred years ago, even fifty years ago, John and Patsy Ramsey would have been tried for their apparent complicity in the death of JonBenet. Instead, their public relations maneuvers, their books and interviews, their lawsuits, and especially their lawyers, have squeezed pus from the blind eyes of justice.

As citizens, sane persons are asked to imagine the horror of JonBenet’s last moments over and over, thanks to the constant replay on tabloid television and in tabloid headlines. We look to our own consciences, our own obligations to our children, and cannot believe that John and Patsy, devout Christians and respected members of the community, could have been involved in such a crime. We saw Patsy raise her finger on national television and warn parents in Boulder, to “Hold your babies close. There’s a killer out there.” Her voice cracks and our hearts break as John methodically recounts how they were a “normal” family. Yet, we have seen photographs and videos of JonBenet, six years old, wearing glamour make-up, scantily clad as a Las Vegas showgirl. We must ignore these images in order to accept John’s freak show concept of “normal.”

The years go by. What was floated as a bizarre “intruder theory” begins to spark more attention than the actual evidence. The evidence includes the longest ransom note in history, written and found at the scene of the crime by the mother of the dead little girl. The Ramsey’s move to Atlanta, Georgia, recalling their beautiful daughter lovingly and pocketing a $600,000 advance on their book, The Death of Innocence. They then move to Charlevoix, Michigan, and John makes a failed run for the Michigan state legislature on an “I’m innocent” platform. They granted interviews every now and then, be it on Larry King or in the National Enquirer, or in church on Sunday. Their story changes as JonBenet’s brother, Burke, grows older – Oh Yeah! That’s right. Burke was awake at the time of Patsy’s phone call to 911 on the morning of December 26, 1996. His is the voice on the tape saying, “What’s happening? What do you want me to do?”

The cameras roll with Patsy crying, or preparing to cry, on the late night news. Years after the murder, we hear that John Ramsey was locked in a bathroom of his new mansion in Atlanta by a mysterious intruder posing as a workman. This makes the national headlines. “Good press, bad press, any press,” Patsy Ramsey often said. Yes, any press. John Ramsey seems prone to intrusion, and Patsy Ramsey seemed as though she invited it.

Hal Haddon, the genius of the Ramsey’s criminal defense team at Haddon, Morgan & Foreman, sequestered in his law office mansion in Denver’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, moved on to a fabulously wealthy NBA star, Kobe Bryant, and his firm won a dismissal of rape charges. Bryant’s victim was hounded to silence by the press coverage. The rest of the phalanx of the Ramsey’s criminal defense lawyers have moved on as well, to new cases, less notorious cases, profitable cases that attract less scrutiny from the press. The press has moved on. It broke camp the day Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter announced that the grand jury investigating the death of JonBenet Ramsey would not file charges. It would not issue a report. It would not release the original of the ransom note. And, according to Colorado law, the grand jurors would be silenced (on pain of contempt of court and/or felony charges) should they divulge any of the testimony or evidence they heard. With nothing left to report, the JonBenet Ramsey judicial inquiry, as well as the body of the child herself, would be abandoned! Next victim, please.

Tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that, another little girl will by murdered by her mommy or daddy, brother, uncle, aunt, step-parent or guardian, maybe for bedwetting or crying too long, maybe for sexual pleasure or revenge because a new boyfriend doesn’t like small-voiced backtalk, maybe for convenience, maybe by accident. Her adult caretakers will be taken into custody, questioned separately, and lacking a reputation as “credible millionaires,” or any evidence pointing toward other suspects, one or both of them will be charged with murder. Their public defender will seek a plea bargain that spares their lives. The local DA will ask for the death sentence if he has strong enough evidence. The newspapers that tell lurid stories of kinky sex, child abuse and violence against murdered children will be used to light fireplaces, wrap fish or perhaps the glassware and dishes for a family moving to another Boulder. Their stories die, but, the JonBenet story doesn’t die.

The next little girl’s name will not become a household word synonymous with mystery, not if her parents are poor. The elements that keep JonBenet’s story and name alive, unlike that of most child victims, are those of mystery, incomprehensible evil, fairy tale and gothic titillation. Sadly, these elements deeply affecting the human psyche inevitably attract humor. When Saturday Night Live created a skit diffusing the horror of the story with its obviously ridiculous aspects including the behavior of police and parents, lawyers and media, John and Patsy threatened to sue. With their money adding to the appeal of the story is the bizarre role of the legal system, now used to silence critics and leave the American people increasingly to distrust and scorn their hope for equal justice. The legal system will grind on, freeing the rich and the guilty, sometimes the rich and the innocent; but very reluctantly the poor, regardless of guilt or innocence. Lawyers earn few fees from working stiffs and the poor.

The media will continue making “special” stories starring Lizzy Borden, the Lindbergh’s kidnapping, Patty Hurst, O.J. Simpson, Princess Diana , Michael Jackson and Ramsey “news” or “history” specials. The beauty princess’ murder is not quite so gory as that of Lizzy Borden’s parents, not so glamorous as the Lindbergh kidnapping, lacking a trial, but like those other trials and “crimes of the century,” hers is filled with curiosity, sexual innuendo and taboo.

Contrary to what Patsy Ramsey said and to some portrayals in the press, the little beauty princess didn’t enjoy the child beauty pageants in which her mother entered her. JonBenet didn’t lust for the competition, nor crave the endless lessons and practice. There were signs that she was growing increasingly apprehensive of her mother’s incessant pressure to compete. Her childhood friend, Lindsey Phillips, while visiting JonBenet, couldn’t help but notice the pageant trophies in JonBenet’s bedroom. “They're not really mine,” JonBenet confided in Lindsey. “They're more my Mom’s trophies.”

Patsy Ramsey had dyed JonBenet’s hair from a light brunette to blonde during their last summer in Charlevoix, Michigan, in 1996. Judith Phillips, Patsy’s former friend, immediately noticed the little girl’s blonde hair when the family returned to their 15th Street mansion in Boulder. She asked Patsy why she had dyed JonBenet’s hair.

“It was the hot summer sun in Charlevoix," Patsy claimed.

As a professional photographer who had photographed Patsy, JonBenet and Burke over the years, who had worked with numerous models sporting both natural and artificially colored coifs, Patsy’s lie seemed disingenuous. Judith attributed this to Patsy’s upbringing in the South where belles are born blonde, naturally, where cosmetics belie innocence and closets are built to hold family secrets.

Normal maternal expressions of love don't revolve around a five-year-old bleached blonde in satin hot pants. Patsy lied to Judith about JonBenet’s hair because she must have felt there was something socially unacceptable about the applications of artificial “beauty” inside their home to a supposedly perfect child. Her lie suggests a kind of embarrassment on her part for wanting to make her child more beautiful, more competitive, more fetching for the eyes of judges.

It was, in fact, Patsy’s talent for small and large deceptions, and the willingness of the Ramseys’ lawyers, and lawyers in general, to use larger and more consequential deceptions, that led in part to the failure of the investigation in the death of JonBenet. When the arts of deception are privileged, as they are in the case of wealthy citizens in America, all other Americans become potential victims. The self-deceptions of the prosecutor who says, “I don't make up the rules,” cops muted under the code of the blue brotherhood and the kind of finger pointing by plea bargains, all cheat the system. Journalists and bureaucrats listen, and bring all the tenderness of tarantulas to each new celebrity case. Defense lawyers, so conspicuously typical in the case of JonBenet, adopt the deceptions of their clients and drive the American jurisprudence system into one that allows the wealthy to ignore the law as prosecuting lawyers incarcerate more poor and uneducated suspects in the United States of America than any other nation ....
 
I believe it was a female officer (?).
I agree about Patsy's parents. Were John's parents deceased at the time of the murder?

I know of the names of two of the accompanying LE at the hellhole on 12/28 with Pam Paugh - Officers Mike Everett and Angie Chromiak.

Chromiak is the one that paid for Pam Paugh's Happy Meal and Diet Coke with lots of ice - right after Pam just got done telling her how she had earned a million dollars by the time she was 32 (and here's Pam working at a cosmetics counter in a department store at the time...cause millionaires love make up so much that they take jobs as counter girls even though they shouldn't need to...?)

How inconsiderate do you have to be to brag about being a millionaire, and then expect the police officer you're bragging to pay for the food you had her stop and get for you? Demanding in a hissy fit more appropriate for a child rather than an adult than the officer stop everything and remove the gloves from your hands for you? What does that kind of behavior say about Pam, and perhaps the rest of the Paugh family and how Pam and her sisters were raised, what values were instilled in them?
 
Were John's parents deceased at the time of the murder?
Yes, they were, Squishified. Mary Bennett Ramsey died from cancer sometime in the '70s and then her husband, James, married John's former mother-in-law, Irene Pasch. James Ramsey died a few months after Beth was killed the car accident.


-Tea
 
Yes, they were, Squishified. Mary Bennett Ramsey died from cancer sometime in the '70s and then her husband, James, married John's former mother-in-law, Irene Pasch. James Ramsey died a few months after Beth was killed the car accident.


-Tea
Thank you. :) I had never heard any mention of John's parents anywhere.
 
I know of the names of two of the accompanying LE at the hellhole on 12/28 with Pam Paugh - Officers Mike Everett and Angie Chromiak.

Chromiak is the one that paid for Pam Paugh's Happy Meal and Diet Coke with lots of ice - right after Pam just got done telling her how she had earned a million dollars by the time she was 32 (and here's Pam working at a cosmetics counter in a department store at the time...cause millionaires love make up so much that they take jobs as counter girls even though they shouldn't need to...?)

How inconsiderate do you have to be to brag about being a millionaire, and then expect the police officer you're bragging to pay for the food you had her stop and get for you? Demanding in a hissy fit more appropriate for a child rather than an adult than the officer stop everything and remove the gloves from your hands for you? What does that kind of behavior say about Pam, and perhaps the rest of the Paugh family and how Pam and her sisters were raised, what values were instilled in them?

Oh okay, so it WAS a female that bought the Happy Meal, with a diet Coke with lots of ice. I just remembered reading the last name, and assuming that it was a male. Sorry...
 
Here is a link to the goings on that day. The last post (by Little) on the page explains it all.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/printthread.php?t=8738&page=5&pp=12

Thanks for posting that again...I had forgotten about that post. Little actually was replying to a post from me. How ironic....LOL Now that I have two weeks to go in my pregnancy....the baby is sucking out my brain cells. I have NO MEMORY whatsoever....its like I have alzheimers or something.
 

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