JonBenet Ramsey's father calls beauty pageants "very bizarre"

[UKGuy]

No I am not, (and FYI, my child does eat pizza and sugar on occasion, but she regularly eats balanced meals that include veggies and fruits, not ice cream with bananas for dinner!)

LinasK,

ice cream and bananas: lovely

peanut butter and bananas: lovely

pineapple and condensed cream: lovely

and I'm supposed to be on a stoneage diet, lol.



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[txsvicki]

Insomniac here (due to food intolerance and allergy) checking the forum : The mention of food and diet makes me really wonder what Patsy's nutrional thoughts were regarding Jonbenet and pageant competition. Nothjng has ever been said by those who knew the family and detectives didn't mention anything. Priscilla put a plate of crab aside for Jonbenet as if she was making some point yet the mess that Linda Pugh described made it sound as if the kids got their own food quite a bit. Jonbenet told a former nanny that fast food made people fat, but she could have heard that at school. It's just hard to believe that the issue of candy or fattening foods never came up or caused problems.

 

[thenagain]

LinasK,

ice cream and bananas: lovely

peanut butter and bananas: lovely

pineapple and condensed cream: lovely

and I'm supposed to be on a stoneage diet, lol.



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How can you grow up without ever having had bananas and ice cream or just cake for tea!! How wonderful.

Pineapple and cream cheese dip - YUM YUM!!

 

[Linda7NJ]

How can you grow up without ever having had bananas and ice cream or just cake for tea!! How wonderful.

Pineapple and cream cheese dip - YUM YUM!!

Apparently there is a perfectly acceptable amount and an amount that would warrant a call to CPS and only a select few got the memo lol


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[txsvicki]

Someone on the theory thread mentioned that Burke wouldn't have wanted pineapple. Not wanting to discuss on that thread I'll say here that I don't necessarily believe what Patsy said. I was going by his fingerprints on the bowl and the rest of the table being cleaned off. Plus he was probably still downstairs with a toy. That was probably true since he might tell people he was up awhile instead of going straight to bed.

 

[UKGuy]

Someone on the theory thread mentioned that Burke wouldn't have wanted pineapple. Not wanting to discuss on that thread I'll say here that I don't necessarily believe what Patsy said. I was going by his fingerprints on the bowl and the rest of the table being cleaned off. Plus he was probably still downstairs with a toy. That was probably true since he might tell people he was up awhile instead of going straight to bed.

txsvicki,
Who knows maybe to accomodate JonBenet he had some too. Although I've never found Pineapple and Tea to mix well at all, gives me indigestion.

Is it not interesting that all the R's said they remained awake after arriving home, only JonBenet was asleep, way far too convenient.

As for Burke and JR, I reckon their version about being together in the basement is a fabrication, its indirect evidence that Burke is part of the staging, no wonder he does not want to be interviewed.

From the fingerprints on the bowl you can infer Burke was present when JonBenet snacked her pineapple. There are pictures of the breakfast bar scene, where you can see the bowl and glass etc, not only can you see chunks of pineapple left in the bowl but also the remnants of condensed milk! I think CourtTV has some photos too?

Either JonBenet had had enough pineapple or someone/something persuaded her to stop and follow this option?


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[Chrishope]

Someone on the theory thread mentioned that Burke wouldn't have wanted pineapple. Not wanting to discuss on that thread I'll say here that I don't necessarily believe what Patsy said. I was going by his fingerprints on the bowl and the rest of the table being cleaned off. Plus he was probably still downstairs with a toy. That was probably true since he might tell people he was up awhile instead of going straight to bed.

Fingerprints can remain for a long time. The premise that BR's (or PR's) prints had to be made at the time JBR ate pineapple does not have to be true. IOWs the fingerprints of either br/pr could have been made hours earlier.

For example, PR might have prepared such a bowl of pineapple prior to the party, put it back in the 'fridge (or even left it out) and BR handled the bowl later. We can spin lots of scenarios, but the point is the prints don't necessarily correspond to the time of the snack. Even if you want to say the snack was prepared by PR or BR after returning home, the other prints (PR or BR) could be there from earlier. (It might be interesting to know how many sets of prints were found so we'd have a clue as to how many times the bowl was handled. It might also be interesting to know what specific prints were found. I'd think PR could handle that bowl with one hand, whereas BR might need both hands)

What the pineapple really tells us is that collusion between JR/PR is unlikely. The story they'd like the cops to believe is that the boogeyman did it after the family went to bed. The boogeyman story is neither more nor less credible if JBR sat down at the table and had pineapple after returning home. So, why lie about it?

If she popped a few pieces in her mouth w/o the parents knowledge, then as far as they know, JBR did not eat pineapple and was not served pineapple. We know they had all the interview questions ahead of time. We know they were prepped by their attorneys for this question. So why lie if it does not hurt the boogeyman theory? So if they both knew of the snack and they were colluding, then the story would be they served pineapple to JBR. Nothing is lost by saying it. PR would just say she fixed pineapple for the kids, then JBR went to bed while BR stayed up putting together a toy with JR.

OTOH, if one parent knew, and the other did not, then one parent is telling the truth, to the extent she/he understands the situation, while the other is going along out of necessity -that parent can't tip the other that there was a post-bedtime pineapple snack.

JMO, if PR prepped the snack, for both kids, there would at least have been two spoons, and they'd be teaspoons. Instead we find a single table spoon. IMO more likely prepared by JR or BR w/o regard to the niceties of proper tableware use. I don't see both kids using a single spoon, and going from mouth to mouth and mouth to community bowl. But who knows. Sometimes families share germs.

I agree the story about being downstairs with a toy was probably true. The Rs would know BR would be questioned.

 

[DeeDee249]

We can't know for sure whether BR had pineapple with JB at the same time she did or not, but we can be sure he handled the bowl, as his prints are on it. We know his prints were on the glass too, but we can't be sure whatever was in the glass was drunk at the same time as the pineapple. Nor can we be sure there was actually tea in the glass. Tea could have been brewed in a mug or cup and the spent tea bag simply placed in the empty glass. I don't know whether that tea bag/glass is still in evidence, but both are an excellent place to test for Touch DNA.
I recall one of the parents saying that JB wouldn't have been able to reach the pineapple where it was kept in the walk-in-fridge. But it was not mentioned whether BR would have been able to reach it. I will concede that BR may have gotten the pineapple bowl from the fridge for he and BR without the parents' knowledge, but my gut feeling tells me that Patsy was the one who got the pineapple out and she is denying it because she HAS to- if they are going to stick to their story about JB being carried asleep into the house and not waking up. We already know BR contradicted his parents about that, as well as contradicting his parents' saying he did not own Hi-Tec shoes- he told investigators he DID own such a pair.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Oh, I don't know, just a guess:waitasec:, but how about tire tracks, rotting flesh and bacteria???:sick::sick::sick:

Raccoons can carry rabies while possums can't. They kill raccoons in my town but will let possums go free, and located them to a less populated area.

 

[midwest mama]

During this interview with John Ramsey, note the comment at the 1:34 mark when he begins to talk about Patsy and JB doing pageants for fun. He cuts off his word "WE", replaces it with the word 'they'.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwsTfvJS20&feature=relmfu"]JonBenet Ramsey's Father, John, Reveals Regrets, Speaks Out Against 'Toddlers and Tiaras' - YouTube[/ame]

How many times did John said the pageant thing was all about Patsy and JB, and yet here he almost adds himself to the picture of having fun with the pageants.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

We can't know for sure whether BR had pineapple with JB at the same time she did or not, but we can be sure he handled the bowl, as his prints are on it. We know his prints were on the glass too, but we can't be sure whatever was in the glass was drunk at the same time as the pineapple. Nor can we be sure there was actually tea in the glass. Tea could have been brewed in a mug or cup and the spent tea bag simply placed in the empty glass. I don't know whether that tea bag/glass is still in evidence, but both are an excellent place to test for Touch DNA.
I recall one of the parents saying that JB wouldn't have been able to reach the pineapple where it was kept in the walk-in-fridge. But it was not mentioned whether BR would have been able to reach it. I will concede that BR may have gotten the pineapple bowl from the fridge for he and BR without the parents' knowledge, but my git feeling tells me that Patsy was the one who got the pineapple out and she is denying it because she HAS to- if they are going to stick to their story about JB being carried asleep into the house and not waking up. We already know BR contradicted his parents about that, as well as contradicting his parents' saying he did not own Hi-Tec shoes- he told investigators he DID own such a pair.

The Bonita Papers; The floor of the wine cellar contained a soft, white, dirt like substance in which the delineation of a shoeprint was visible with a clear impression of the words "HI TEC". This is known to be a common police footwear product line, and police personnel had been in this room after the discovery of the body and before the crime scene processing. A second shoe impression was also found in the white powdery substance. Although not as visible as the “HI-TEC” shoe impression, it was a distinctly different print.


The teabag in the glass is a puzzle. Rev. Hoverstock was heating a "glass" in the microwave when Fleet white came up the stairs yelling to call 911. Could that be the glass with the teabag?

The Bonita Papers:The gingerbread houses made by JonBenet and Burke at the family party only two days before still sat on the dining room table – a melancholy reminder of the laughter and innocence of childhood that had filled the home so recently. Also visible on the dining room table was a bowl of half-eaten pineapple chunks and an empty glass – apparently a late-night snack left from someone the night before.



I wonder why Pasty wanted to know about JonBenet's arms.

The Bonita Papers: Patsy was attending to the necessary details of her daughter's funeral. Patsy had chosen a white, sleeveless ballerina dress with sequins, but consulted with John before making her final decision. "Are there any bruises on JonBenet's arms," she asked John. John assured her there were not, but Patsy asked him again, "Are you sure?" John replied, "JonBenet’s arms were not bruised.''

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

LinasK,

ice cream and bananas: lovely

peanut butter and bananas: lovely

pineapple and condensed cream: lovely

and I'm supposed to be on a stoneage diet, lol.

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You need to add chocolate syrup on that. One of my go to's when there isn't any chocolate in the house.

 

[UKGuy]

We can't know for sure whether BR had pineapple with JB at the same time she did or not, but we can be sure he handled the bowl, as his prints are on it. We know his prints were on the glass too, but we can't be sure whatever was in the glass was drunk at the same time as the pineapple. Nor can we be sure there was actually tea in the glass. Tea could have been brewed in a mug or cup and the spent tea bag simply placed in the empty glass. I don't know whether that tea bag/glass is still in evidence, but both are an excellent place to test for Touch DNA.
I recall one of the parents saying that JB wouldn't have been able to reach the pineapple where it was kept in the walk-in-fridge. But it was not mentioned whether BR would have been able to reach it. I will concede that BR may have gotten the pineapple bowl from the fridge for he and BR without the parents' knowledge, but my git feeling tells me that Patsy was the one who got the pineapple out and she is denying it because she HAS to- if they are going to stick to their story about JB being carried asleep into the house and not waking up. We already know BR contradicted his parents about that, as well as contradicting his parents' saying he did not own Hi-Tec shoes- he told investigators he DID own such a pair.

DeeDee249,

But it was not mentioned whether BR would have been able to reach it.

Like the latch on the wine-cellar door, a chair/stool would help here.

Was the original pineapple pre-cut, and simply emptied into a bowl, then placed into the fridge?

Its not as if someone simply retrieved the bowl of pineapple from the fridge and placed it in front of JonBenet. Condensed Milk was added, so thats another step.

That is someone prepared the pineapple snack for JonBenet, it could be she fetched her own Condensed Milk?

When Hofstrom and Schuler interviewed Burke; Shuler asked if he ate any pineapple and when he went to bed. He didn’t remember. Who does that remind you of, lol.

The teabag does not prove much but in tandem with Burke's fingerprint on both items, e.g. bowl & glass, this reduces the likelyhood of it being coincidental.

Its similar to Patsy's fibers down in the wine-cellar, which have three different routes to arriving there, allowing for secondary transfer.

So if you allow equal weighting for all three modes of transfer, e.g. 33%, which is generous, then there is a 66% chance that Patsy deposited some of her fibers.

With Burke we have two fingerprints, a teabag, and amnesia.

 

[midwest mama]

The Bonita Papers; The floor of the wine cellar contained a soft, white, dirt like substance in which the delineation of a shoeprint was visible with a clear impression of the words "HI TEC". This is known to be a common police footwear product line, and police personnel had been in this room after the discovery of the body and before the crime scene processing. A second shoe impression was also found in the white powdery substance. Although not as visible as the “HI-TEC” shoe impression, it was a distinctly different print.


The teabag in the glass is a puzzle. Rev. Hoverstock was heating a "glass" in the microwave when Fleet white came up the stairs yelling to call 911. Could that be the glass with the teabag?

The Bonita Papers:The gingerbread houses made by JonBenet and Burke at the family party only two days before still sat on the dining room table – a melancholy reminder of the laughter and innocence of childhood that had filled the home so recently. Also visible on the dining room table was a bowl of half-eaten pineapple chunks and an empty glass – apparently a late-night snack left from someone the night before.



I wonder why Pasty wanted to know about JonBenet's arms.

The Bonita Papers: Patsy was attending to the necessary details of her daughter's funeral. Patsy had chosen a white, sleeveless ballerina dress with sequins, but consulted with John before making her final decision. "Are there any bruises on JonBenet's arms," she asked John. John assured her there were not, but Patsy asked him again, "Are you sure?" John replied, "JonBenet’s arms were not bruised.''

On my first read through of that info, it smacked me too, because of the glass/teabag found by the pineapple bowl with the Burke fingerprints. Problem with Rev. having this glass, and maybe making it for Burke is that Burke had already been taken off to the White's house. So, Rev. was making himself a heated glass of water? For tea? or what else, maybe hot chocolate? But it jingled me knowing their Pastor was ALSO a drinker of a hot beverage in a glass - which is unusual where I come from, unless ice cubes would be added immediately.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

On my first read through of that info, it smacked me too, because of the glass/teabag found by the pineapple bowl with the Burke fingerprints. Problem with Rev. having this glass, and maybe making it for Burke is that Burke had already been taken off to the White's house. So, Rev. was making himself a heated glass of water? For tea? or what else, maybe hot chocolate? But it jingled me knowing their Pastor was ALSO a drinker of a hot beverage in a glass - which is unusual where I come from, unless ice cubes would be added immediately.

Most people use cups or mugs for hot drinks, not a glass and that always sticks out at me. I don't know anyone that heats things in a glass. I thought the Pastor was making it for himself. Just a weird thing I guess?

 

[LinasK]

You need to add chocolate syrup on that. One of my go to's when there isn't any chocolate in the house.

I have nothing against banana splits- I have a problem with feeding them to a child for their dinner!

 

[Chrishope]

We can't know for sure whether BR had pineapple with JB at the same time she did or not, but we can be sure he handled the bowl, as his prints are on it. We know his prints were on the glass too, but we can't be sure whatever was in the glass was drunk at the same time as the pineapple. Nor can we be sure there was actually tea in the glass. Tea could have been brewed in a mug or cup and the spent tea bag simply placed in the empty glass. I don't know whether that tea bag/glass is still in evidence, but both are an excellent place to test for Touch DNA.
I recall one of the parents saying that JB wouldn't have been able to reach the pineapple where it was kept in the walk-in-fridge. But it was not mentioned whether BR would have been able to reach it. I will concede that BR may have gotten the pineapple bowl from the fridge for he and BR without the parents' knowledge, but my gut feeling tells me that Patsy was the one who got the pineapple out and she is denying it because she HAS to- if they are going to stick to their story about JB being carried asleep into the house and not waking up. We already know BR contradicted his parents about that, as well as contradicting his parents' saying he did not own Hi-Tec shoes- he told investigators he DID own such a pair.

If they are working together why is the story that JBR was carried asleep into the house, etc.? If they were in on it together, then at some point, let's just arbitrarily say 4:30am on the 26th, they had to say to each other "Let's get our story straight". If JR says "We'll just tell the cops we took JBR out of the car, asleep, and put her to bed" the PR would say "She had pineapple. We have to tell them she came home, was awake, was hungry, and I fixed her some pineapple, then she went to bed."

There is no reason to exclude the pineapple snack from the story if JR/PR know of the pineapple snack and are working together on a cover up. The boogeyman did it theory doesn't hinge on JB going straight from the car to bed.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

On my first read through of that info, it smacked me too, because of the glass/teabag found by the pineapple bowl with the Burke fingerprints. Problem with Rev. having this glass, and maybe making it for Burke is that Burke had already been taken off to the White's house. So, Rev. was making himself a heated glass of water? For tea? or what else, maybe hot chocolate? But it jingled me knowing their Pastor was ALSO a drinker of a hot beverage in a glass - which is unusual where I come from, unless ice cubes would be added immediately.

I have nothing against banana splits- I have a problem with feeding them to a child for their dinner!

Dinner? now that's a thought. I thought you were talking about when your friend come to visit.

 

[Tucarra]

When I 1st read that JR thinks these pageants are bizarre, my 1st thought was a shocked,, 'oh, so he has watched?' If my dd was murdered, and her life was forever associated with pageants, (because of all those bizarre pictures), I would never, for no reason, ever watch even a 'snippet' of Ts & Ts. Pageants would be a part of a dark, contaminated past, that I would never go near again. But JR admits to watching and even shares his opinion...which doesn't apply to him or PR, of course. If JR doesn't know what happened to his daughter, how can he be so dismissive of a 'hobby' that potentially exposed her to an unknown pervert? MOO

Agree totally....have never seen the show, nor will I....

Only know it exists because of MSM headlines and news flashes....don't even read the articles...

Just too weird all around....

 

[DeeDee249]

If they are working together why is the story that JBR was carried asleep into the house, etc.? If they were in on it together, then at some point, let's just arbitrarily say 4:30am on the 26th, they had to say to each other "Let's get our story straight". If JR says "We'll just tell the cops we took JBR out of the car, asleep, and put her to bed" the PR would say "She had pineapple. We have to tell them she came home, was awake, was hungry, and I fixed her some pineapple, then she went to bed."

There is no reason to exclude the pineapple snack from the story if JR/PR know of the pineapple snack and are working together on a cover up. The boogeyman did it theory doesn't hinge on JB going straight from the car to bed.

The way I see it, the only reason to deny the pineapple is because the Rs "story" was that she fell asleep in the car, was carried into the house and put to bed still asleep and they never saw her alive again. With her eating the pineapple, it places her awake after they got home. In the aftermath of the discovery of the pineapple (and the report that it matched exactly the pineapple in the bowl) the Rs were faced with a dilemma. They never in a million years gave a thought to that pineapple snack that night because they thought no one would ever know about it. When it showed up in JB, they HAD to deny it- or else admit they lied about her being asleep the whole time. The discovery of that pineapple was a big shock to them.
They also lied about BR being asleep the whole time after they "found" the note too. Later, in one of his statements, JR did admit that BR had been awake at some point, but they thought it best to just say he was asleep so he "wouldn't be bothered" by police.
Imagine- your daughter is kidnapped and later found murdered by "intruders" with he brother right down the hall and you don't want him "bothered" about what he may have seen or heard.