Ravyn
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Now I been corrected about the fingerprints of PR's was found on the notepad itself that the RN was written on...But how did JR's stay off it when he handed it to the detective...
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The note or the pad?
Cause he didn't touch the note,he didn't hand it over to the detective.
ST,page 16
"They escorted French through a foyer and kitchen area to a back hallway,where three pages of white legal tablet paper covered with blocky handwriting were spread out on the wooden floor."
I tried to make a timeline for the note but God it's almost impossible.What's weird though is that whenever the R's are asked about touching the note they either deny it or confuse the discussion.
Somebody touched it because Patsy said she found it on the spiral staircase steps. She later said John, in his underwear, read the note spread out on the floor (or words to that effect).
Who moved the note?
There is a lot of I dont remember, with regard to the RN.
In the 1997 interview:
TT: Okay. Patsy, do you recall who moved the note from the bottom of the stairs down to where John could read it with the good lighting.
PR: I think he did. I, I (inaudible) . . .
TT: Okay.
TT: Okay. And the note was on, the note was on the floor and John was reading it when you called the police. Is that right?
PR: When I was calling the police. Yeah, he, it was on the floor there in that back hall.
TT: Okay. And you dont recall who laid the note down there.
PR: Right.
In the 1998 interview:
TOM HANEY: And screaming. When and where do you see John?
PATSY RAMSEY: In this area (indicating).
TOM HANEY: And what is he doing there?
PATSY RAMSEY: He said -- you know, I said "there is the note." I think I handed
him the note here, somehow in this space he got the note.
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know exactly. Maybe he will remember. But I mean I left the note somewhere here, whether I picked it up and threw it down, just took off. And then came back down the stairs, and whether I picked it up, and then he came down, I gave it to him. And said here's the note or whatever.
TOM HANEY: Now are you just guessing or do you know--
PATSY RAMSEY: I can't remember exactly.
With respect to the location of the RN when the police arrived, there are conflicting stories.
In the 1998 interview, JR claims he handed the RN to Officer French, however the account in STs book and in the Bonita Papers indicates that the RN was left on the floor where JR initially read it
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LOU SMIT: Just try to take it in slow steps. You know what you did with the officer and how you proceeded then; (INAUDIBLE)?
JOHN RAMSEY: We were standing in the hallway. We were handing him the note trying to explain and convince him that we had a problem. And at some point he asked us all to go into this room here and stay there.
LOU SMIT: That's the solarium?
JOHN RAMSEY: Right. The Fernies and the Whites were arriving at sometime between - I think he got there first. But at some point he kind of shepherded us all in there and asked us all to stay there. (INAUDIBLE)
LOU SMIT: What did you do with the note?
JOHN RAMSEY: I gave it to him. I think at that point he kept it. I mean I don't remember him giving it back to me. I do remember later we had, I think they made copies but we had it spread out on the table back here just trying to figure out what we could figure out.
"Another tech saw the ransom note on the bottom step of the spiral staircase and photographed it there. But the photograph lied. The note had traveled from the stairs, possibly into Patsy's hands, then had been spread out on the hallway floor where John Ramsey and the police had read it, and French had put it back on the stairs. The photograph, which was supposed to show exactly where evidence had been discovered, was inaccurate."
-Steve Thomas, pg. 20
Officer Rick French was dispatched to 755 15th Street in Boulder at approximately 5:52 a.m. on the report of a possible kidnapping. He was met at the door by the distraught Patsy and by John who told him that their six-year-old daughter was missing and their nine-year-old son was asleep upstairs. Patsy, hysterical and apparently confused about the sequence of the mornings events, told officer French that she went into JonBenets bedroom at approximately 5:45 a.m. that morning to wake her up for the trip and saw that she was not in bed. As she was coming down the spiral staircase she found the note stating that her daughter had been kidnapped. John then lead French through the house and pointed out a three page handwritten note which still lay on the hallway floor next to the kitchen.
-Bonita Papers
Ravyn
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I was talking about the notepad with the handwritting samples..JR gave Det. Whitson or something like that, how did JR fingerprints wasn't found on the notepad...But PR,the dective,and the tech was found on it...
LOU SMIT: So then when this photograph was taken you think you clicked some off?
JOHN RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
LOU SMIT: That's why it shows the pad there and then later you gave the pad to the officer?
JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation
Also
Det. Robert Whitson arrived at the Ramsey residence at approximately 9:30 a.m. to inform John that the FBI had been notified and were assisting in the investigation. Whitson briefly talked to John about security for the home, and John again stated that he had personally locked up the house on the night of December 25, and that he rechecked that morning and found everything was still locked. Whitson and Patterson then asked John for samples of his handwriting. John went to a counter near the spiral staircase and picked up two letter-size pads of white lined paper. John handed both pads to Det. Patterson explaining that one pad contained prior writings of Patsy and the other his prior writings. Patterson took the pads and made a notation on the tope of each indicating which one belonged to Patsy and which one belonged to John.
Whitson later showed the notebook indicated as Patsy’s to Detective Jeff Kithcart. As Kithcart examined the notepad, he discovered among the pages a sheet of paper with the beginning of a note in a similar ink and handwriting style as the ransom note. This page, apparently a false start for the final note, only contained the words, “Mr. and Mrs. R”
-Bonita Papers
Take a look at the following, regarding fingerprints.
There are many factors which could affect how long a fingerprint lasts on an object. It may help you feel better to know a little bit about locating prints on an object. In fact, "latent" prints developed on items are chance impressions. They are composed of oil, perspiration, or other contaminants located on the finger at the time the item is touched. If there is nothing present on the finger, a latent print may not be left even though the item was touched. And even if there was "sweat" present, the surface itself might not be an ideal receptor for holding a fingerprint. Many surfaces (like vinyl for example) are not very likely to retain useable prints because they are semi-porous. They aren't hard like glass or metal, and likewise they do not absorb and retain the sweat like paper or cardboard. And even if the "sweat" and the "surface" factors were good, the touch itself might not lead to a latent print of value. For example, if I touch a piece of glass with a sweaty finger, but I do so with a glancing, sliding motion, all that will develop on the glass is a big smear. If I twist and turn my finger as I touch an item, the "touch" factor may also prevent an identifiable fingerprint from being developed even though I touched the surface.
http://onin.com/fp/wwwbd/messages/4/4.html
See also:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19950924&id=SXQwAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9DYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1845,6277243
Ravyn
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I putting this here cause it goes to both RDI and IDI..I have been gone awhile and don't know all the new evidence out there..But sitting back on what I do know about the case and what I have learned from you all..I believe it's RDI and IDI combined.. And bare with me like always, I will find a way to bring this to you..
You HAVE been gone a long time, Ravyn. Good to see you back.
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I do believe this is the first I've heard of an RDI and IDI combined theory. Waiting anxiously to read it.
I find it hard to believe that JR would not have handled the RN at some point. I also find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have awoken BR and asked if he'd seen or heard anything.
Actually there are a lot of things I find hard to believe about the Ramsey'story.
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Actually there are a lot of things I find hard to believe about the Ramsey'story.
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+1. I'm also very intrigued to read it.
Ravyn
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Now I agree with alot about the DNA..Somewhere the parents and brother's DNA have to be present on JonBenet's clothing..They had access to her from the time she put the shirt on to go to the Whit's Christmas party,till the last time they seen her alive..She never changed shirts...
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Now to find a IDI for my RDI, will be hard..Cause we have alot of IDI's in that house the morning of the 26th..The Boulder police,their friends,to the people sent to consloe the parents,and they was nice and wiped down alot..But I'm working on one and be with it shortly..
Ravyn
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Now on alot about this case,I'm on the fence but as I said before the Ramsey's themselves was their own worst enemies..And I do believe this case was design to never be solved..I want to know along does touch DNA last..And Mary Lacy cleared the Ramsey's while this case was unsolved..But everyone argues over the DNA and fiber evidence..
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So with Mary Lacy clearing the remaining Ramsey's, is this saying she thought PR was guilty...Cause this did come after PR died..
Ravyn
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Fiber evidence put the parent's at the scene but their DNA wasn't found..Now I for one would like to hear that their DNA was found, come on they had Lin Wood to argue for them...Cause Jr carried her to bed, PR dressed her for bed..So I need to understand Mary Lacy statement that the DNA evidence didn't match any of the Ramsey's..
Highly doubtful, Ravyn, if her behavior when Patsy was alive is any indication.