JonBenet's Other Brother

[lannie]

JonBenet's murder may have been a staged sex crime, its purpose to conceal prior sexual abuse. More than one person may have abused her in the days or weeks before her murder.

It’s unlikely that a 6-year old girl would have the desire or the knowledge to indulge in AEA practices. There are no recorded cases involving a preteen female, and most female AEA practitioners tend to be adult.

If JonBenet were indulging in consensual AE with Burke, or any similar aged person, then her death would be an accident, and not a homicide.

Obviously any AE with an older male is by definition, non-consensual, and constitutes a sexual assault! Precisely why an older male should want to introduce JonBenet to AE beats me; she is pre-pubertal, emotionally and psychologically immature; still to develop a hygiene routine. I do not think JonBenet would interpret the choking and breathless sensations as pleasurable or exciting. I suspect any 6-year old girl would be frightened and terrified?

So from this perspective any older male practicing AE with JonBenet must be indulging his own specific individual sexual fantasy. Other pedophiles would be content with access and more "conventional" forms of abuse! So in this context her death would form part of her assailant’s fantasy.

For anyone to place JAR's blue suitcase and its contents in close proximity to JonBenet's corpse appears curious. Either it is there by accident and circumstance, or at some point both it and JonBenet's body were intended to be removed from the house?

The EA device appears to have been fashioned, in a hurry, downstairs in the basement. I think splinters from the paintbrush were left on the floor?

If nylon fibers from the EA device were found in JonBenet's bed, this may suggest JonBenet was at some point, alive or dead, lying tethered on the bed? This would be consistent with assumptions about prior staging.

If an older male had constructed the EA device earlier, would he not bring one he made earlier, or at least construct something more functional than a paintbrush and nylon cord, especially if it was for tutoring purposes, why should Patsy's forensics be so evident?

JAR may have made an unannounced visit to the Ramsay House the night of her death, only one other adult male would fit this profile of knowing the layout, and be someone JonBenet trusted implicitly. Also does Susan Stine have any knowledge of inappropriate behavior towards JonBenet, why should she deal with the cop over the 911 call?

In PMPT it’s mentioned that Jonbenet whilst in the toilet, would ask other adults to wipe her down! Just where did she learn that this was acceptable, or was it due to prior abuse, had she not developed a sense of privacy that most girls of her age would have?

Did she ask to be wiped down on the 23rd and was subject to some form of abuse which left her feeling unclean and not pretty, did this prompt JonBenet to make the 911 call?

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I think the AEA practices used on JB were used so she would not remember the sex part, ,my sister in law would have her head held under the tub,s running water while she was being molested by her stepfather ,she told me all she could think of was she was drowning, & felt pain back there,this is a common practace of child molesters, at least the so called smart ones the ones who never get caught .

 

[Bev]

were completely cleared. No friends, acquaintances, family members or employees were ever found to have any connection whatsoever to any kind of child *advertiser censored*. Every computer file and hard drive had been searched. No child *advertiser censored*, or any kind of *advertiser censored* was found.

 

[Rocky]

were completely cleared. No friends, acquaintances, family members or employees were ever found to have any connection whatsoever to any kind of child *advertiser censored*. Every computer file and hard drive had been searched. No child *advertiser censored*, or any kind of *advertiser censored* was found.

Did JAR live anywhere near Michael in Atlanta?

 

[lannie]

were completely cleared. No friends, acquaintances, family members or employees were ever found to have any connection whatsoever to any kind of child *advertiser censored*. Every computer file and hard drive had been searched. No child *advertiser censored*, or any kind of *advertiser censored* was found.

In 96 very little was done concering child porm, don't forget JR was a comp.expert, besides that has little to do with anything, ,my sister in law, molested never even saw a computer in the 60's,& he was a child molester, knew all the tricks,

 

[justice2]

were completely cleared. No friends, acquaintances, family members or employees were ever found to have any connection whatsoever to any kind of child *advertiser censored*. Every computer file and hard drive had been searched. No child *advertiser censored*, or any kind of *advertiser censored* was found.

Again, the internet was fairly new in 1996. I remember I spent most of my time looking for all the free stuff. *advertiser censored* wasn't probably a big deal until 1998-2000.

 

[Rocky]

was there any evidence suggesting jon Benet was molested prior to that evening?

 

[PagingDrDetect]

Originally Posted by justice2
Again, the internet was fairly new in 1996. I remember I spent most of my time looking for all the free stuff. *advertiser censored* wasn't probably a big deal until 1998-2000.

Actually, it was the *advertiser censored* industry that was in the forefront of jumping on internet use as a means of distribution, particularly the black market industry. It was immediately recognized as the biggest boon to distibution that that market ever had and probably ever will have. Fortunately, the pioneers weren't as sophistocated as they thought, and didn't have a good enough understanding of how to go about covering their trail (or even knew they were leaving a trail), which is how they got caught. Most internet usage in the advent of the internet was specifically used for the distribution and purchase of *advertiser censored*. By 1996, the black market *advertiser censored* industry was very firmly established, but it was more often the small time marketers trying to cash in that were being caught at that time, as by 1996, the major marketers who were first in on the internet distribution racket already had their distribution system tweaked to hide themselves.

Recall that it was around this time that there was a major push for legislation regarding *advertiser censored* on the internet as it had clearly already become a very serious and very widespread problem. The result was the federal Communications Decency Act of 1996, which was signed into law by then President Clinton in the early part of that year. This Act banned the communication of "obscene or indecent" material via the internet to anyone under 18.
Telecommunications Act of 1996, Section 502, 47 U.S.C. Section 223(a).
There would have been no push for this law had a very wide spread problem not already existed. The internet was the best thing that ever happened to black marketers in the *advertiser censored* industry, and they recognized that and took advantage of it immediately.

 

[calicocat]

I originally did not consider JAR as a suspect since he was cleared by the Boulder Police. But after reading this thread, new ideas have come to mind. The blue suitcase belonged to JAR. It was found in the basement next to JBR's body, containing his semen stained blanket and his childhood Dr. Seuss book. It was described by one reader as a "pedophile's briefcase". I was wondering, could the garrote, blanket and book have been hidden in the brief case to be used Christmas night on JBR? Suppose JAR wanted to experiment with the garrote (EA) on JonBenet, and unknowingly took the experiment too far. JAR appears extremely distraught in the cemetery picture taken of him at JBR's gravesite. There is nothing to suggest that he and JBR were ever close. And he did say that he felt the murderer should receive forgiveness. Could his tears be the result of guilt and remorse?

As far as his alibi, two college friends and his mother state that he was in Atlanta at the time. The police cleared him as a suspect based on that information, but was any of it proven?

 

[narlacat]

I originally did not consider JAR as a suspect since he was cleared by the Boulder Police. But after reading this thread, new ideas have come to mind. The blue suitcase belonged to JAR. It was found in the basement next to JBR's body, containing his semen stained blanket and his childhood Dr. Seuss book. It was described by one reader as a "pedophile's briefcase". I was wondering, could the garrote, blanket and book have been hidden in the brief case to be used Christmas night on JBR? Suppose JAR wanted to experiment with the garrote (EA) on JonBenet, and unknowingly took the experiment too far. JAR appears extremely distraught in the cemetery picture taken of him at JBR's gravesite. There is nothing to suggest that he and JBR were ever close. And he did say that he felt the murderer should receive forgiveness. Could his tears be the result of guilt and remorse?

As far as his alibi, two college friends and his mother state that he was in Atlanta at the time. The police cleared him as a suspect based on that information, but was any of it proven?

Well, there was a photo taken at the autobank, but you couldnt really see if it was him or not, had a baseball cap on.
Also, he had a movie ticket stub, which kinda implied he was at the movies that night...

 

[calicocat]

Hi Narlacat,
I read that too, but as someone else pointed out, why would anyone still have the movie ticket stubs and bank receipt some four months later, unless they were purposely kept as a remberance of something special? If it is true that JAR was in Atlanta, I guess on Christmas break from college, does he have any proof, airplane ticket, etc., showing how he got there and when?

 

[narlacat]

I'm not sure about that one Calicocat, maybe someone else here knows though..

 

[coloradokares]

Hi, John Andrew was my canidate of choice for those reasons for a bit too. Apparently his alibi was pretty tight. And he did fly out of Atlanta to Michigan to be rerouted to Colorado upon news of the kidnapping of JonBenet. However a neighbor also says they believe they saw him the very day before walking across the yard there in Boulder! I have tried to sit and do the math for a time estimate, I asked myself still a thousand times was that why John called his pilot ....but its one of those things. If he has a movie stub and a mom who says he was there....how would you prove without a DNA match. John Andrew's DNA was not a match. Time might by the skin of the teeth match in private Lear Jet....dependant. Also Johns pilot stopped by the house to pick up a box from John that morning.... if only I were a mouse in that house. They didn't have a cat did they? Nope it was a Bichon Frise who was across the street at the the neighbors.... Yup I'd of taken my chances with the neighborhood cats to have been a mouse in that house.

Hi Narlacat,
I read that too, but as someone else pointed out, why would anyone still have the movie ticket stubs and bank receipt some four months later, unless they were purposely kept as a remberance of something special? If it is true that JAR was in Atlanta, I guess on Christmas break from college, does he have any proof, airplane ticket, etc., showing how he got there and when?

 

[IrishMist]

Actually, it was the *advertiser censored* industry that was in the forefront of jumping on internet use as a means of distribution, particularly the black market industry. It was immediately recognized as the biggest boon to distibution that that market ever had and probably ever will have. Fortunately, the pioneers weren't as sophistocated as they thought, and didn't have a good enough understanding of how to go about covering their trail (or even knew they were leaving a trail), which is how they got caught. Most internet usage in the advent of the internet was specifically used for the distribution and purchase of *advertiser censored*. By 1996, the black market *advertiser censored* industry was very firmly established, but it was more often the small time marketers trying to cash in that were being caught at that time, as by 1996, the major marketers who were first in on the internet distribution racket already had their distribution system tweaked to hide themselves.

This amazes me! I used the internet in 1985. All that I remember being available were bulletin boards a various universities. Lots of discussions, really. To download or upload, you put your phone handset onto your modem and just let it run all night to download even the smallest file. (We did swap games... Zork being the first one that I remember)

How they'd manage to swap pictures is beyond me! And how the heck would they view them??

 

[narlacat]

This amazes me! I used the internet in 1985. All that I remember being available were bulletin boards a various universities. Lots of discussions, really. To download or upload, you put your phone handset onto your modem and just let it run all night to download even the smallest file. (We did swap games... Zork being the first one that I remember)

How they'd manage to swap pictures is beyond me! And how the heck would they view them??

I didn't think the net was around till 1992..

 

[LinasK]

With all due respect, I can't believe that Patsy would turn a blind eye to friends and/or neighbors sexually abusing her daughter. I have worked with abusive families, and I have known many who ignored sexual abuse within their own families. I just can't imagine that Patsy would allow friends or neighbors to harm JB in any way.

But she might turn a blind eye to John sexually abusing JB. That's my theory, I also think Patsy might have been abused as a girl by her father.

 

[ellen13]

but what about jar's buddies at the colorado college where he went to school??

 

[LinasK]

I didn't think the net was around till 1992..

Primitive e-mail used by the navy & such like Usenet existed back in 1978... I had a friend at UCSD, a civilian employed by the Navy who used it. They had systems at the universities that ran on UNIX.

 

[ellen13]

maybe one of jar's friends at the college in boulder wanted to get some money out of the ramseys. i remember in my hometown in calif, central valley, a guy with the last name of yocum and one of his friends shot and killed his parents so he could inherit their money.

crazy-i remember my grandmother's words as she showed us the article in the paper "murder has come to our little town"

 

[Rupert]

That does look like JAR in the photo of the dec 23d Christmas party but it turned out to be a boyfriend of one of Priscilla's sisters.

Someone molested JonBenet on the 23d, but who? An adult or a child?

Were the kids playing Doctor in the basement? How many male children were at the party?

Who was the JAR lookalike? Which boyfriend of Priscilla's sisters?
Does anyone have the phot of Dec 23?
Thanks

 

[JMO8778]

zman
I was going to say the same thing about you and Toth.
I dont know if they would have still fit him, but I'm sorry...I find it strange that Patsy, being the good mother that she was, doesnt remember buying Burke a pair of boots with a compass attached to them.
Just like I find it strange that Patsy just cant seem to remember what her child ate the day she died, what she wore the day she died, and whether or not her child had a bath the day she died.

I suspect that's what their lawyers advised them to do..feign amnesia.If they're guilty then the less they say...the better.
I think it's true for Burke's behavior as well...he was coached on what to say,what not to say.I think that's why it took the R's 4 months to be interrogated...they needed to be rehearsed on it,as well as make sure they have their stories straight,esp. BR's.Still,there were some surprises (like the pineapple and the voices on the 911 tape) they couldnt be prepared for, and that show they werent being truthful.
I suspect JR called his lawyers *before the 911 call that morning,which is one reason the call came in so late (and why the phone records 'disappeared')..he probably couldnt get ahold of anyone before 5:00 am or so.
I suspect the q was asked of the lawyer,how do they keep BR out of the picture?? (that is not to say he's guilty,just how do they keep him from getting any blame.) And JR was told to say that JB was 'zonked' as they put it,and went straight to bed that night, and BR went to bed *later and slept straight thru till the next morning when they woke him up.(that's saying JB and BR were never awake at the same time that night after returning home).That gets BR out of the picture, and also is likely the reason he was ushered off to a friend's house so soon,and without talking to anyone..JR was advised to do so, (that keeps him out of the picture as much as possible),and to say that BR didn't know or say anything.(But,obviously from the tape..he did,as any normal child of that age would ask about what is going on if he woke up and heard something).
Anyway,that's just saying to remember that a lot of what suspects do and don't say comes from the advice of their lawyers.I think we tend to forget that sometimes.I know because I've seen my in-laws do it,so I know some of it is just a 'generic' "lawyer line" so to speak, that comes out of their mouths.(Mine weren't guilty of any felonies,but it's still not hard recognize generic lawyer lines,some are a lot alike..just say you don't know anything).
That's just my take on it.