Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 *guilty* #3

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The request to be at Seagoville may be more a wish for low security than anything else. True, it has a sex offender program, but if Josh isn't planning on volunteering for treatment, I'm not sure why that would be relevant. It would seem Seagoville has a relatively high concentration of sex offenders, but I bet that choice angles for low security (instead of medium) rather than any kind of programming.

Texarkana is also low security, so, yep, defense is going for low security rather than any kind of sex offender treatment.

I would guess if Josh displays no contrition, he'll end up in medium security. He may end up in medium, anyway, but not showing remorse or acceptance could REALLY not work in your favor when it comes time to getting your prison assignment.
 
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The CEO of a sexual abuse treatment center for high risk offenders in 1990 came to my rape analysis class to discuss how their practitioners were giving predators of sexual abuse treatment and therapy--it consisted of putting a thin wire around the offender's penis while they watched abhorrant and abberant sex videos and images--if their penis got aroused, they were given a shock. Those were the good old days.

IIRC from my decades-old Psych major, there are also pharmaceuticals that cause nausea & vomiting -- under similar circumstances, a nausea-inducing drug is administered while the offender is watching video of their preferred target, intending to replace a pleasant response with an unpleasant response.

No idea if this is effective in the long term?

Surely there has been research since then and this field has progressed.

But, I'm reminded of this joke:

Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?

A: Just one, but the light bulb must want to change.



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The request to be at Seagoville may be more a wish for low security than anything else. True, it has a sex offender program, but if Josh isn't planning on volunteering for treatment, I'm not sure why that would be relevant. It would seem Seagoville has a relatively high concentration of sex offenders, but I bet that choice angles for low security (instead of medium) rather than any kind of programming.

Texarkana is also low security, so, yep, defense is going for low security rather than any kind of sex offender treatment.

I would guess if Josh displays no contrition, he'll end up in medium security. He may end up in medium, anyway, but not showing remorse or acceptance could REALLY not work in your favor when it comes time to getting your prison assignment.
I believe it was the JUDGE who recommended these two facilities.

 
It’s 12 and a half years of safety from him for our nation’s children.

Yes, agree. I'm shocked and confused as to why anyone would think its a good idea to not punish pedophiles and leave them free to prey on more children.

I haven't followed this story too closely of late, but are there "fans" of this creep who think he's really an ok guy? I never watched the reality tv shows this family participated in. Are there some fans of the show(s) who think this creep shouldn't go to jail? If so, that's disturbing and an indication this kind of tv viewing is not healthy for the general public.
 
Yes, agree. I'm shocked and confused as to why anyone would think its a good idea to not punish pedophiles and leave them free to prey on more children.

I haven't followed this story too closely of late, but are there "fans" of this creep who think he's really an ok guy? I never watched the reality tv shows this family participated in. Are there some fans of the show(s) who think this creep shouldn't go to jail? If so, that's disturbing and an indication this kind of tv viewing is not healthy for the general public.
Josh was on the show but he was secondary to the oldest daughters and their engagements and pregnancies. It was probably for the best because Josh had the personality of a wet blanket and would have brought the show down.
 
Yes, agree. I'm shocked and confused as to why anyone would think its a good idea to not punish pedophiles and leave them free to prey on more children.

I haven't followed this story too closely of late, but are there "fans" of this creep who think he's really an ok guy? I never watched the reality tv shows this family participated in. Are there some fans of the show(s) who think this creep shouldn't go to jail? If so, that's disturbing and an indication this kind of tv viewing is not healthy for the general public.
Yes, many family members and others wrote letters to the judge before sentencing praising Josh and asking for a lenient sentence.
 
Controversial question.

What good does it do for Josh to sit in prison for 12 and a half years?
I'll bite.

1) It shows his victims, and other victims who may not have come forward, that society cares how they were wronged and takes this crime seriously.
2) Hopefully it has a chilling effect on anyone else starting down that road of (in my opinion) needing more and more shocking forms of *advertiser censored*/sex material in order to get their thrill or feel whatever they are trying to feel.
3) Hopefully it has a chilling effect on the next family or church that tries to sweep abuse like this under the rug and/or not take getting help for the offender seriously.
4) Hopefully it helps prevent the next abuser from abusing a child in order to make and share these materials.
5) Hopefully his wife hits menopause before he gets out and he can't father any more children in that family. I know he could father other children but at least hopefully they won't be quite so isolated under Duggar thumbs to be potentially abused and kept quiet.
6) Hopefully science is working on more of a cure for this particular addiction/paraphilia and by the time he gets out they can just give him a shot or whatever, further protecting future potential victims, and at that point maybe he can be a better member of society. Up until now science seems to have told us there's not much that works but maybe in 12 years science will hit on something.
7) If any other victims come to light, who aren't Duggars, their father or brother can't easily get to him with a baseball bat. 8) Maybe in time he will be persuaded to take part in whatever rehabilitation/therapy they have available, whereas if he were out he would not make that choice because he would continue to be coddled by his Duggar environment. Maybe he will find a mentor who runs a good program in the prison and decide to take advantage of it.
9) Maybe being away from Duggars will help him finish maturing and rounding out whatever's stunted his moral/spiritual/personality growth, in case his upbringing is what's wrong with him. Who knows...maybe prison for him will be like being let *out* of prison...*if* growing up a Duggar is what's wrong with him. Not sure on that, but it's possible. Maybe his major malfunction is he'd like to wring his father's neck. And this was his warped way of acting out. Maybe in prison he will realize, "You know, I really should have just told my father off and left Arkansas" I am not sure if this is his major malfunction but if it is, staying in his same environment wasn't going to spur the needed change.
10) It shows other societies that USA isn't the hypocritical cesspool of decadence and amorality we may appear to outsiders who may be judging the USA by what they see on TV. Other societies have every right to judge us (the USA) by stuff like this, just as we judge other societies by (for example) honor killings. When someone is punished in another country for, say, an honor killing, here in the USA I breathe a sigh of relief....thinking at least not everyone thinks honor killings are just hunky dory. Do we want other nations and cultures to think the USA thinks CSAM is just hunky dory? Here's a quote from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle: "In this year died King Alfred. He was a noble king and great. It is said that in his kingdom, a virgin might walk naked from one side to the other, and none dare molest her."
 
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Y are there "fans" of this creep who think he's really an ok guy?
Not from what I have seen. From what I have seen, even other members of the Duggars' religion and former friends/co-religionists are saying the sentence is fair and that what he did was wrong. I read an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit by a former acquaintance who testified for the government (his testimony was about the computer stuff) but this dude also knows the Holt family and all the ins and outs of their church etc. Doesn't sound like anyone is backing Josh. Edited to add: I forgot, as another poster noted, the letters to the judge asking for a lenient sentence. Still, I haven't seen a lot of rah-rah Josh or anything...mostly sad and tense handwringing.
 
Not from what I have seen. From what I have seen, even other members of the Duggars' religion and former friends/co-religionists are saying the sentence is fair and that what he did was wrong. I read an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit by a former acquaintance who testified for the government (his testimony was about the computer stuff) but this dude also knows the Holt family and all the ins and outs of their church etc. Doesn't sound like anyone is backing Josh. Edited to add: I forgot, as another poster noted, the letters to the judge asking for a lenient sentence. Still, I haven't seen a lot of rah-rah Josh or anything...mostly sad and tense handwringing.
I haven’t seen any fan pages, Thank goodness! But I’m pretty sure there are some die hard Duggar supporters who believe in the same conspiracy theories being thrown around by his some of his enablers. JMO.
 
Not from what I have seen. From what I have seen, even other members of the Duggars' religion and former friends/co-religionists are saying the sentence is fair and that what he did was wrong. I read an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit by a former acquaintance who testified for the government (his testimony was about the computer stuff) but this dude also knows the Holt family and all the ins and outs of their church etc. Doesn't sound like anyone is backing Josh. Edited to add: I forgot, as another poster noted, the letters to the judge asking for a lenient sentence. Still, I haven't seen a lot of rah-rah Josh or anything...mostly sad and tense handwringing.

We probably don't know what family members, co-religionists or friends really think. The horrifying nature of his crimes and media coverage may make some supporters reluctant to express their real opinions in public. As @gitana and others have pointed out, his family and probably some friends are financially dependent on him.

The guy has been actively abusing small children and using extremely horrific child *advertiser censored* (a video of an 18 mo old child being raped and tortured) since he was at least 14. Among other things, that's called a serious addiction to sex. At his age, that behavior is unlikely to change. By now the craving is no different from addiction to meth, oxy, heroin, alcohol.

Being in minimum security prison just increases the risk of him continuing his disgusting behavior with easier access to cell phones, possibility of "work-release" programs, etc. IANAL, but much of his sentence relies on the local/state LE and criminal justice system to enforce. Not good. Hopefully, he'll be caught violating the terms of his sentence while still incarcerated and be locked up for life.

JMO
 
Controversial question.

What good does it do for Josh to sit in prison for 12 and a half years?
What good was he doing before? His Dad gave him an opportunity for employment, and it seems like Josh did not appreciate the opportunity to improve his life or provide for his family. He used it as a time to indulge in his secretive fetish, CSAM.

If nothing else, this sentence serves as a deterrent for people, who may want to find this type of material. *advertiser censored* is a huge addiction. I hope Josh utilizes his time in prison to understand his addiction and what it cost him, his family, and victims of CSAM.
 
I wonder if additional victims will come forward. If his victims were his age or perhaps 8-10 years younger, there's a decent chance they are now parents and perhaps better able to recognize the victim-shaming tactics for what they are. I've actually never watched the show but I believe there is a cousin or two who are vocal in their criticism of Josh's history.

With cases like Alonzo Brooks, anyone who knows something is going to stay quiet IMO; the partygoers are probably now well into parenthood and know that speaking up risks family/financial stability. It's the opposite with Josh, I think: the now-adults have ready access to “ex” groups, there’s more recognition that a victim isn’t partially responsible for the male’s actions, and some of Josh’s victims even went on TV. Nothing like bathing your child and coming to the sudden, awful realization that someone would seriously suggest that 5yr old Jane ought to cover up more so as to not tempt the male gaze.

I suppose the only thing keeping his victim count “low” (5 minors plus the Philadelphia adult) is that I’m assuming his social circle was limited by homeschooling and family size and location. (Not a dig at homeschooling; I homeschool most of mine. If I had 20 kids, ferrying them to/from play dates would take up the entire day).
 
Actually, @Shamrock1, we really don't know the extent of his deviant behavior. Only the ones that were exposed, the ones he was "caught".

After perpetrators get caught, they learn how to be more stealthy in their actions. We really have no clue to the extent of Josh Duggar's criminal activity. JMO.
 
In the Western District of Arkansas Federal Courthouse in Fayetteville, Judge Timothy L. Brooks listened to a short list of federal prisons proffered by defense attorney Justin Gelfand. Brooks quickly narrowed that down to a pair of likely choices: Seagoville and Texarkana.

The judge noted that his preference would be Seagoville, if they have space available, due to their “high-end treatment program” for sex offenders. He added that he would recommend to the prison that Duggar be allowed to participate in that program if sent there.


FCI SEAGOVILLE -​

2113 NORTH HWY 175
SEAGOVILLE, TX 75159

A low security federal correctional institution with an adjacent minimum security satellite camp and a detention center.

 
Being in minimum security prison just increases the risk of him continuing his disgusting behavior with easier access to cell phones, possibility of "work-release" programs, etc. IANAL, but much of his sentence relies on the local/state LE and criminal justice system to enforce. Not good. Hopefully, he'll be caught violating the terms of his sentence while still incarcerated and be locked up for life.


RSBM

The two prisons recommended by the judge are low security prisons and have an adjacent minimum security satellite camp. My guess is he will be in the low security prison. Here, he will not have the ability to leave the prison grounds. Here is a link describing the different levels of federal prison.


MOO
 
RSBM

The two prisons recommended by the judge are low security prisons and have an adjacent minimum security satellite camp. My guess is he will be in the low security prison. Here, he will not have the ability to leave the prison grounds. Here is a link describing the different levels of federal prison.


MOO

That's good for now, as long as he remains there. It doesn't solve the problem of access to burner cell phones that seem to be ubiquitous in US prisons these days.



If other prisoners are allowed to have access to computers, Duggar will find a way to use them. He'll use them to communicate with family and supporters outside prison, manipulating them to continue helping him. He may even use them to access *advertiser censored*.

Cell phones, *advertiser censored* and drugs have been smuggled into Seagoville prison.

Drones Have Delivered Drugs, Phones, and *advertiser censored* to Federal Prisons censored*-to-federal-prison

As repulsive as it seems, Duggar's family are considered "celebrities" in some social circles. That lends a certain arrogance and hubris, along with the ability to manipulate "true believers" into helping these creeps get what they want. Members of this family, including the convicted pedophile, have believed they're "above the law for decades".

ETA: Its difficult to post links here for articles relating to the crimes committed by these sick people. Any advice on how to post these links from MSM with benign headlines is appreciated.
 
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To make it more confusing there are different types of sex offender treatment programs. Like adult on adult.
Keith Raniere for example. (He was into 15 year olds and older (very skinny) teens who looked 12.)
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Are you suggesting that 15 year olds and older teens who look 12 are adults, and therefore Raniere was in adult on adult treatment? Unless they were 19, we're talking about children here.
 
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