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Snipped by me :)

I have read your blog before BGK - it does prompt a thought that I have had which does not seem to have been held out as a possibility.....

Namely, OP was on his Prothesis at the time of the shooting..... He just dropped onto his knee as he fired.

If this has been covered, please ignore, but if not, what are peoples thoughts?
 
Hi Feynman - I read my post again and it looks like I did not make clear enough, the reference to Roux not challenging the moment Reeva died.

Both PT & OT agree Reeva died almost instantly from the last shot. Given the time elapsed before OP got into the Toilet, she was already dead - hence, his story cannot be true even by his own version.

All of Oscar's stories about finding Reeva still breathing or not breathing seem so unnecesarily muddled or perhaps they represent desperate attempts to delay accepting the finality of her death at that moment. So you could chalk it up to wishful thinking on his part (after he suddenly realizes the consequences of his actions and clings to any hope that he can reverse reality) but perhaps when he first picked up Reeva in the toilet cubicle, or as he carried her down the stairs, this action compressed her lungs and he could hear her involuntarily exhale the remaining air in her lungs and mistook it for breathing.

Not trying to make excuses for Oscar, far from it. The longer this trial has run, the more confident I am that Oscar's personality, short temper, and the events of the day (the "hurdles" he was confronted with the morning of the 13th), combined with the presence of someone who often annoyed him and with whom he was "quick to snap", all led him to threaten and murder Reeva.

He has evidenced such arrogance, along with the "hero's" sense of entitlement, in not ever taking responsibility for his behavior. More importantly though, the judges will have to consider the numerous examples of poor impulse control and reckless behavior without concern for others' safety. It is not hard to imagine how, in his own mind, he feels legitimate claiming he did not intend to shoot Reeva or an intruder. What he really means is that he did not intend (or could not imagine himself dealing with) the actual consequences of his actions. No doubt the rage, the immaturity, his sense of superiority and the power of the gun in his hand blinded him to the consequences of his actions. And now that he is on trial, he continues to hold on to some deeply held belief that he is special, or above the law, and therefore should not be held accountable. Why trust judgment to others when you can simply deny accountability? It's always worked before.

All facets of this trial are more than sufficient to add up to murder without reasonable doubt in my mind.
 
Snipped by me :)

I have read your blog before BGK - it does prompt a thought that I have had which does not seem to have been held out as a possibility.....

Namely, OP was on his Prothesis at the time of the shooting..... He just dropped onto his knee as he fired.

If this has been covered, please ignore, but if not, what are peoples thoughts?

I have suspected the same thing, especially IIRC considering his claim that he fired his gun single handedly from a position down by his side instead of his usual firing range stance with both arms extended out in front of him. This would provide a possible cover story for the trajectory if he were found to be on his prostheses. However, I think it is more likely that he dropped into a crouch or kneeling stance. Didn't he say something about assuming a similar stance when he confronted the washing machine?
 
Snipped by me :)

I have read your blog before BGK - it does prompt a thought that I have had which does not seem to have been held out as a possibility.....

Namely, OP was on his Prothesis at the time of the shooting..... He just dropped onto his knee as he fired.

If this has been covered, please ignore, but if not, what are peoples thoughts?

No offense to anyone, just providing the requested reply. Why the _____ would OP drop to his knee to fire at a target 2m in front of him?! And was he sliding to the right on his knee with each consecutive gunshot? He had to have been if you consider the trajectory of the bullets that he fired. That is highly unlikely to my thinking.
 

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Found this interesting interview with OP which shows his outlook for his disability -

1. clearly stating the disability was never an issue for him and life was 100% normal (interesting as in trial he is claiming vulnerability)

2. Also, in the interview (VERY NB) he mentions an incident playing rugby where his leg came off during a match - and a fellow player ended up with his leg by mistake (interesting no evidence here of GAD, anxiety or any angst that OP claims he suffered with through his life. No evidence of an anxiety over a situation that would typically be traumatic for someone suffering with an anxiety disorder, or anyone for that matter!).

interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h_4q8FspiBs

PS. I've been lost on another thread all this time. (insert emoticon of me crawling into the floor with shame)

OP bought 2 white tigers on an impulse, as you do. :waitasec: They're safe in Canada now, phew. :scared:
 
No offense to anyone, just providing the requested reply. Why the _____ would OP drop to his knee to fire at a target 2m in front of him?! And was he sliding to the right on his knee with each consecutive gunshot? He had to have been if you consider the trajectory of the bullets that he fired. That is highly unlikely to my thinking.


How about like this?

ShootingStance1.jpg
 
No offense to anyone, just providing the requested reply. Why the _____ would OP drop to his knee to fire at a target 2m in front of him?! And was he sliding to the right on his knee with each consecutive gunshot? He had to have been if you consider the trajectory of the bullets that he fired. That is highly unlikely to my thinking.

Maybe just going commando again... And I don't think he would need to slide over on his knees to account for the shifting trajectories, didn't Nel suggest he moved his gun slightly to the right around the passage wall toward the sink area to adjust his aim?
 
How about like this?

ShootingStance1.jpg

Nice image, LOL. But he is in a stationary shooting stance, he is not moving and cannot move from left to right after every single bullet that he fires, as the trajectory rods clearly show that OP did move that night. In your image, the man would need to stand up, move to his right, and then kneel again after each shot to have the trajectory rods look (move) as they do in OPs series of four shots that he fired that night.
 

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Maybe just going commando again... And I don't think he would need to slide over on his knees to account for the shifting trajectories, didn't Nel suggest he moved his gun slightly to the right around the passage wall toward the sink area to adjust his aim?

If OP stood stationary, on his knee or otherwise, he would have to move his arm to the right and bend his wrist and hand to the left more and more with each of the shots to simulate / create the movement that is demonstrated by the bullet trajectories. This was presented as a possibility by Wollie under cross examination when he wanted to portray that OP fired all of the shots from one position at the entry to the bathroom, that OP never entered the bathroom for the final three shots. I don't believe that theory for a moment. The first empty casing was found outside of the bathroom hallway on the carpet, the following three empty casings were found inside of the bathroom, indicating that OP shot from the end of the tiled entryway first and then moved in to the bathroom to the right and fired the remaing three shots.
 
Nice image, LOL. But he is in a stationary shooting stance, he is not moving and cannot move from left to right after every single bullet that he fires, as the trajectory rods clearly show that OP did move that night. In your image, the man would need to stand up, move to his right, and then kneel again after each shot to have the trajectory rods look (move) as they do in OPs series of four shots that he fired that night.

Don't mean to be argumentative:waitasec: but if the distance is only 2m away as you say, then wouldn't the slightest horizontal shift in hand position make a significant change in the trajectories?
 
Found this interesting interview with OP which shows his outlook for his disability -

1. clearly stating the disability was never an issue for him and life was 100% normal (interesting as in trial he is claiming vulnerability)

2. Also, in the interview (VERY NB) he mentions an incident playing rugby where his leg came off during a match - and a fellow player ended up with his leg by mistake (interesting no evidence here of GAD, anxiety or any angst that OP claims he suffered with through his life. No evidence of an anxiety over a situation that would typically be traumatic for someone suffering with an anxiety disorder, or anyone for that matter!).

interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h_4q8FspiBs

PS. I've been lost on another thread all this time. (insert emoticon of me crawling into the floor with shame)

You were missed ! :loveyou:
 
Most top athletes these days have access to a sports psychologist.

I am happy to be corrected, but would assume that a sports psychologist is a psychologist who has chosen to specialist in a sporting mindset. I wonder if any such professional has been alerted in the past to any behaviours OP displayed which rang alarm bells with them. Or whether because he was for the most part winning they felt any aggression they found was being channelled correctly...
 
http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/murde...rius-shrein-dewani-and-other-accused-killers/
Murder Madness: Oscar Pistorius, Shrien Dewani and Other Accused Killers
by Penny Swift on May 24, 2014.

"In South Africa, a charge of murder may be straightforward. The Criminal Procedure Act states that a charge of murder or culpable homicide is “sufficient if it alleges fact of killing.” Both charges refer to unlawful killing; the difference is that murder is intentional and culpable homicide is not. If evidence on a charge of murder does not prove murder, the judge can find the accused guilty of several lesser offences including culpable homicide and “assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm.”

"In fact Pistorius is charged with “Murder – read with the provisions of Section 51 (1) of Act 105 of 1997.” This piece of legislation, the Criminal Law Amendment Act, states that Pistorius could receive a life sentence if convicted of murder. In addition, Pistorius has been charged with three contraventions of the Firearms Control Act".

"For Pistorius to be convicted of murder, the state needs to prove he intended to kill Steenkamp. Dadic explains that intent is essentially a “wrongful state of mind” that can be attached to the crime. This is not the same as motive, which, he says “relates to reasons or factors” that induce a person to commit a wrongful act".

This isn't entirely accurate.

Under South African law, any killing is presumed automatically, prima facie, as unlawful. In order to secure a murder conviction, the State must prove intent but this can be established through dolus directus (intended to kill Reeva) OR dolus eventualis (intended to kill someone).

In order to win its highest charge, murder with premeditation, the State must prove Oscar planned and intended to kill Reeva and only Reeva (dolus directus).

But even if they can't prove premeditation, a conviction for murder without premeditation is possible using either directus or eventualis.

Dolus eventualis is simply intent to kill, victim unspecified, and established by the conduct of the accused (type of ammunition, how many shots, firing into a closed door, etc).

If intent cannot be proven, then the Court will consider culpable homicide (unlawful, negligent, but not intentional).

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidDadic/status/449431383900172288

Please pardon errors as posted via Tapatalk with a less than stellar user.
 
Narcissists require others for attention: they rely on them for "narcissistic supply": anything that builds them up and confirms their superiority, grandiosity, and entitlement. They are terrified of losing it.

People with BPD, however, fear abandonment.

These twin fears incite behaviors that wound their loved ones and ironically drive them out of relationships with those who need them so desperately.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...at-borderlines-and-narcissists-fear-most-part

I started to post on this subject last night but realised I wasn't in a good place to do so. ;)

After experiencing a 10 year marriage to someone dx'd comorbid narcissistic and antisocial, I cannot stress enough that everyone in their circle (from family to friends to co-workers) are used and manipulated solely to the narcissist's gain. As much as they fear embarrassment they also use people and connections to make themselves appear better or more important by extension. My ex was verbally abusive and physically intimidating to our then young children in private - but in a public atmosphere he could and would appear to be the world's best dad - while they were cute, behaved, and entertaining (as preschoolers) but if one embarrassed or irritated him, his 'mask' would slip and he'd get suddenly, intensely angry. At that point, they could do no right and were called idiots and bastards, even in public.

As anyone who has ever loved someone with a cluster B disorder can attest to, your brain can't initially accept that they aren't as 'normal' and sentient as you yourself are, so you find other reasons to excuse and justify bad behaviour. After educating oneself on these disorders, their symptomatology, and manipulative tactics often used by someone disordered - it becomes impossible to ignore or tolerate. At least it did for me. For others, they remain uneducated and in denial. My ex-MIL has been used as a proxy by my ex to abuse, manipulate, and intimidate without her even realising it (e.g. he manipulated her into sending pictures of my house in England using google earth. He then sent a handmade birthday card to me with a drawing of my house on the front of it). She still insists he wasn't abusive and is a loving and dedicated dad - despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Personally, I believe narcissists (or if one prefers, narcissistic sociopaths/psychopaths) have the capacity to destroy anything and everyone associated with them.
I honestly feel they appear to love someone only when that person is useful or beneficial to them. It's very superficial. Whether that goes deeper I think is open for debate. I believe they reserve the depth of their emotions only for themselves.

On a happier, and all too rare note, my kiddos are now older and in a much healthier environment. Due to their father's behaviour/criminal convictions, the court suspended all contact with the exception of letters (which I am ordered to censor if abusive, manipulative, or inappropriate). And they too have been educated as to their father's disorder, on top of a lot of counseling, so they will never (hopefully) be victimised by him again.

IME and FWIW, apologies both for the slightly O/T and TMI nature.

Please pardon errors as posted via Tapatalk with a less than stellar user.
 
If he has to be monitored for 30 days (Mon-Fri) that's six weeks.

How come the trial resumes on 30th June, after five weeks?
 
I'm curious... How many of us suspect or believe that OP was aware of the SA husband that truly did accidentally shoot and mortally wounded his wife as she came out of a small room in their home? That case was disposed of shortly before OP fired four bullets at Reeva as she was in a small room, closet. About a week before Reeva's murder; surely it was national news in SA at the time. It is in the back of my mind that he was aware that it happened, and that the man was forgiven by all, including the NPA. Hmm...

I've said many times that if OP had only fired the one bullet this case would be much different; well except for the argument that occurred before the murder, but... And if he did brazenly fire the first bullet intending to kill but Reeva was screaming bloody murder, then he would take the wrong next step and fire three more times to finish it and silence her.
 
Snipped by me :)

I have read your blog before BGK - it does prompt a thought that I have had which does not seem to have been held out as a possibility.....

Namely, OP was on his Prothesis at the time of the shooting..... He just dropped onto his knee as he fired.

If this has been covered, please ignore, but if not, what are peoples thoughts?

Very interesting approach! I have considered it and chatted to my mother who helped develop the bat gun kick theory... only thing is that the dropping to the knees would bring him closer into the bathroom, unless he knelt in the passage, and I think lasers tracked back put him at the very entrance to the bathroom (ie. minute he had sights on her) if you know what I mean?

BUT, consider this (interested in your thoughts).... what if the door was slightly open as he shot - Reeva having just got to the door and trying to close it as he came to the entrance and saw her, he fires urgently as she cannot be given time to call police.... as the door slightly ajar this is the difference in trajectory as the first shot forces door closed, and rest then into closed door - he would not have to have moved at all. ?

Unlocked door then gave OP ability to go in and see if she was breathing (he then checks her phone to see if she called police). Then he has time to get prosthesis on, break door, "locked" enters his version.
 
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