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There is at least one psychologist that adores OP, see attached. But she does not work in a prison psychiatric unit with criminals day in day out.

I did see video of the inside of the facility today. They have a biliards room and comfortable seating outside for casual conversation. Parts of it don't look too bad. I doubt that they have an open bar and fried appetizers or sushi, but I'm sure that they have great medications and some tasty snacks. I wonder if OP packed a special lunch basket with his required foods that keep his GAD in check?

Viper, I think you may have the wrong lady. Your photo is of his aunt Lois. His psychologist is grey haired. The behaviour is not so very different though, perhaps a shade more distant.
 
I am confused about the trial resuming June 30...that does not leave much time for the psyche evaluators to compile their results.

Does anyone know if they will share the info with him before going to court with it?

If there is a day or two of rest for him before June 30, that is his chance to escape. Hard to imagine any country would want him, though.

Good question , I would have thought OP will be told before the court hearing because of the state having to disclose all things relevant ?
 
Viper, I think you may have the wrong lady. Your photo is of his aunt Lois. His psychologist is grey haired. The behaviour is not so very different though, perhaps a shade more distant.

I believe that you are right. But I'd have a hard time calling the attached image of the two of them more distant than the previous though. :smile:
 

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My understanding was that if it could be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that he intended to kill the person in the toilet cubicle - whoever they were- then it would be murder with the associated 25 year term.

It should make no difference for that murder charge whether he thought it was Reeva or an intruder, he shot with the intention of killing them - murder

The law makes no distinction in this regard - an unknown intruder's life cannot be deemed less valuable or important than Reeva's - one cannot say it is not murder because a perpetrator does not know their victim. Although of course this is all purely theoretical as OP did know his victim.

Happy to be corrected if I have this wrong.

Which is what I thought but after reading this article I'm not so sure, it is only a newspaper though so could be wrong!

"...“If they find that it did, that’s a highly mitigating feature. It’s not exculpatory, he would not be acquitted but he would not be judged so harshly. Culpable homicide might come into play because if the judge believes his version, that he did not intend to kill Steenkamp but an intruder, she might allow for his diminished capacity to play a part. Culpable homicide comes with no mandatory sentence so he could escape prison altogether.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-for-mental-evaluation-what-will-it-mean.html
 
I believe that you are right. But I'd have a hard time calling the attached image of the two of them more distant than the previous though. :smile:

If anything this picture is far creepier than the other one. This really does look totally inappropriate. At least with his aunt she was just hugging him. This looks as if they are about to go into a smooch. Just very, very wrong. I bet he can't get enough of women fawning over him though.
 
If anything this picture is far creepier than the other one. This really does look totally inappropriate. At least with his aunt she was just hugging him. This looks as if they are about to go into a smooch. Just very, very wrong. I bet he can't get enough of women fawning over him though.

Yea, I think that it was PattyCake who a long long time ago opined here that OP must have been coddled by everyone around him throughout his life out of pity and the need to help someone like OP, men included. He was even able to cuddle up to his school coach and get him to change his mind about not putting OP on the team. This lady is no longer his psychologist, she is something else now, something very different.
 
I believe that you are right. But I'd have a hard time calling the attached image of the two of them more distant than the previous though. :smile:

LOL - I hadn't seen that one. That looks really bad. The one I saw (though I guess there must be many of them) he looked as though he was pulling away from her a little. What staggers me is that either of them treat him like that in public. I get the feeling they view him as a young child, ie with all the head stroking etc.
 
Thank you I understand that sad is an emotion and overcome is a qualifier that is the crux of my posting about the difference between sad and overcome with sadness. There is a world of difference when it comes to the two statements.

“Overcome” can incorporate a myriad of other things in that it is a qualifier.

It could be as Cri believes that Oscar misspoke, personally I believe Oscar’s response upon seeing Reeva being put into words while in the box, being “overcome with sadness” is in keeping of what we know of Oscar’s personality. He is a fighter, his first words in his autobiography are “The real loser is never the person who crosses the finish line last. The real loser is the person who does not even try to compete.”

Looking at it from a psychological perspective Oscar was no longer in the race, there was nothing he could do, so he was “overcome with sadness” as I am sure subconsciously he knew Reeva had unsurvivable wounds even if didn’t consciously acknowledge so in the moment of first seeing her.

He could have just said that he was overcome. A truthful statement is a short statement. He is trying too hard to convince imo.
 
The red flags experienced by many families are so benign it's easy to chalk it up to something else (stealing money from an elderly relative; always having to be the centre of attention; being wholly selfish; promiscuity; drug use, etc). We all know a few teens capable of those types of behaviours who aren't disordered. As teens, antisocial's behaviour is usually much more severe though (could possibly include animal cruelty, arson, physical violence, objection to authority, criminal activity, near constant behavioural problems exhibited on every plane of their existence - at school, work, church, home, etc.)

I most certainly believe that abusive personalities and narcissists alike both typically target a certain 'type' of person. Usually, I think these people are often compassionate, trusting (sometimes naive), loyal (to sometimes a fault and their detriment) and very sensitive to what they perceive as victimisation. IME, someone narcissistic is very capable of making themselves appear to be a victim and manipulate people by playing that up. Women who are young or have little relationship experience are more likely, I believe, to find herself in an abusive relationship with an abuser or narcissist - but practically anyone (to include one domestic violence case I know of in which the victim was herself a psychologist) can be taken in by a charming, persuasive, highly skilled manipulator. For some women I've known, it's literally just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. (Like meeting 'Mr. Right' after losing their job or a loved one.)

Less commonly, sometimes someone who is disordered will attract another disordered. For obvious reasons, this brings out the worst in both - like Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo (Canadian serial killing couple responsible for the rape and murder of Karla's little sister, among other women.)

MOO

I would like to hear your analysis of how birth order(OP=middle child with presumably the majority of the attention[uncommon ime], RS=youngest[with a strong mothering instinct but presumably used to getting her own way as the "baby"]) may have played a role in OP and RS's relationship, as well as from what we know of RS's personality, she seemed to be very much like how OP had described his mother. Notwithstanding your analysis of whatever mental disorder/illness/condition that OP may be diagnosed as having.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2278526/Oscar-Pistorius-The-inspirational-late-mother-Sheila-Pistorius.html
In an interview with Sportsmail before the London Olympics, Pistorius said: 'She was very special to us. She was very cool; a very hectic, free spirit. She didn't really comply with much and had a very carefree approach to life.

'She didn't take anything too seriously. she wrote us hundreds of letters and taught us hundreds of things and never made decisions for us.'
 
I agree 100%!




Lost? Like Reeva died from a natural death or got lost at the mall or something. Absurd choice of words even on the witness stand. He's definitely distancing himself from her by not using her name. Who really knows who that person he meant, could be talking about himself for all we know. :rolleyes:

Yes, distancing himself - what people do when not being truthful.
 
I believe that you are right. But I'd have a hard time calling the attached image of the two of them more distant than the previous though. :smile:

:eek: That's a therapist with her client??

Good grief.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ay-monday-26-may_n_5390576.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
The Huffington Post, United Kiingdom, 27 May 2014

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1816703/thumbs/o-PISTORIUS-570.jpg?5
Oscar Pistorius talks on a mobile phone while arriving in a car at the Weskoppies Psychiatric Hospital on May 26 2014 in Pretoria. A South African judge on May 20, 2014 ordered Oscar Pistorius to undergo up to 30 days of psychiatric tests to establish if he is 'criminally responsible' for killing his girlfriend on Valentine's Day 2013.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-murder-trial-psychiatric-evaluation/9591925/
Oscar Pistorius starts psychiatric evaluation
May 26, 2014

"JOHANNESBURG (AP) — Oscar Pistorius, the Olympic athlete, arrived at a state psychiatric hospital for evaluation whose terms have been described by some as favorable to the double-amputee runner"...

"Pistorius' outpatient status troubles some experts who say 24-hour observation is common in state psychiatric facilities. In the evenings, nursing staff can get additional insights into a patient's mental state that complement formal questioning and other tests during the day, say the experts"...

"There is a benefit" to the after-hours observation, said Lee-Ann Hartman, a clinical psychologist who has worked in state psychiatric facilities"...

"Pistorius' assessment will be faster because he does not need a hospital bed, said Gerhard Grundling, chair of the Clinical Psychology Forum, a South African group. He said the observation will likely include blood tests and possible brain scans and that more specialists, including a neurologist, can get involved as needed"...

""Everyone should be equal before the law, no matter how famous," Bloom said, urging authorities to explain the runner's "preferential treatment" as an outpatient receiving speedy observation"...
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ay-monday-26-may_n_5390576.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
The Huffington Post, United Kiingdom, 27 May 2014

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1816703/thumbs/o-PISTORIUS-570.jpg?5
o-PISTORIUS-570.jpg

Oscar Pistorius talks on a mobile phone while arriving in a car at the Weskoppies Psychiatric Hospital on May 26 2014 in Pretoria. A South African judge on May 20, 2014 ordered Oscar Pistorius to undergo up to 30 days of psychiatric tests to establish if he is 'criminally responsible' for killing his girlfriend on Valentine's Day 2013.

Ugh, it looks like he's still in the driver's seat....
 
Ugh, it looks like he's still in the driver's seat....

OP looks completely unaware of his circumstances. He is in the passenger seat of a micro Chevrolet car being driven by Gerrie Nel on its (his) way to prison...
 
OP looks completely unaware of his circumstances. He is in the passenger seat of a micro Chevrolet car being driven by Gerrie Nel on its (his) way to prison...

He is in complete denial. This is a "joke."
 
He is in complete denial. This is a "joke."

Ha ha! He was in such a hurry to get in to Westkoppies (sp) that he was holding and talking in to his iPhone with his right hand while he was waving at the security officers to get out of the way of his car with his left hand. LOL! Roux is stringing OP along until the bitter end. OP really does not have a clue about how badly this has gone. That's fine.
 
Ha ha! He was in such a hurry to get in to Westkoppies (sp) that he was holding and talking in to his iPhone with his right hand while he was waving at the security officers to get out of the way of his car with his left hand. LOL! Roux is stringing OP along until the bitter end. OP really does not have a clue about how badly this has gone. That's fine.

I'd like to know who was stringing who about his bail conditions though... I wasn't aware that he has competed since before he killed RS? Wouldn't his "holiday" in Mozambique last year be considered breaking his bail conditions?

http://ca.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2013032811822/oscar-pistorius-bail-condition-changes/
The athlete will now be allowed to leave South Africa to compete, as long as he provides travel details in advance. He will also be allowed to return to his home in Pretoria.

Defence lawyer Barry Roux argued that the bail conditions amounted to "house arrest". "Why would this athlete go to a country without extradition and go and hide," he said. "It's not as if the applicant is traveling for holiday in Mauritius; it's only to gain an income, there's no other reason."

http://www.citypress.co.za/news/oscar-finds-new-love/
while on holiday in the Mozambique resort of Inhambane in December.

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2014-04-10-analysis-will-the-real-oscar-pistorius-please-stand-up/
on holiday with his family in Mozambique

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/oscar-s-uncle-wants-to-take-him-to-moz-1.1484657
Arnold Pistorius owns a farm in Mozambique and the family want Oscar to move there to get out of the media spotlight.

This is why they want the North Gauteng High Court to give Oscar his passport back.
 
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