Kaine attends 3 hours of meetings at sheriff's office

[wondering1]

I'm not understanding what you mean by 'pre' hearing, but Houze did state in a video interview the contempt hearing was scheduled in September.

As far as the RO, Houze said he's not going to contest the RO or the custody. I don't see how that means the allegations have been resolved. If you are saying that by not contesting he's admitting the allegations are fact, I don't see Houze admitting to either.

It's not me using the term pre-hearing. That's what's in the article. I assume it's a pre-hearing to discuss with the court, probably in chambers, matters that need to be addressed prior to the hearing -- possibly evidentiary issues, witness lists, objections, etc. Basically *housekeeping* issues to make the hearing run smoothly. jmo

Regarding the RO...By not contesting the RO, it is automatically in effect for one year unless the Court decides to "drop it" for its own reasons. I think it's true that the allegations are not admitted by TH, but the ruling stands on its original bases (the allegations of involvement in Kyron's kidnapping and, for the amendment, the allegations of MFH). What I mean is, the court found that there was cause to enter the RO on those grounds, and did so. So there is no further reason or basis for the Court to hear any further evidence on TH's alleged involvement with Kyron's disappearance or the MFH for at least one year from the entry of the RO. Imo, that's why she didn't challenge custody or ouster in the first place. Now she doesn't have to talk about those issues for a year and, likewise, neither does KH or LE.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[wondering1]

bbm

Wondering, I didn't find the link you said was in your post #119. Did you forget to post it lol? You stated that you read the pre-hearing on the contempt motion is scheduled for July 22.

Here is what I've read in this article:

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Pol...g-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html

On Tuesday, a judge set a hearing for July 22 over the restraining order. Attorney Stephen Houze said Terri agreed to move out, give up rights to custody, but the hearing will address financial and other issues. A date of September 21 was set aside for the contempt of court hearing.

Based on the above link, it looks like tomorrow's hearing will address "financial & other issues". It leads me to believe that tomorrow's hearing will be focusing on issues unrelated to the contempt motion.

Is there a link to an article about a pre-hearing on the contempt motion of the RO scheduled for July 22nd? TIA!

Haha...it's post 117. Sorry. But I do forget to post links all the time :blushing:

eta post 117 and the link

sbm

Tomorrow is still the pre-hearing date on the contempt motion afaik:

Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Keith Meisenheimer set two future court hearing dates for Kaine Horman's motion to hold his wife in contempt of court.

A pre-hearing date is set for July 22 at 1:30 p.m., followed by a Sept. 21 hearing.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i..._expected.html

 

[sorrell skye]

TY Wondering! Here is the link & snippet:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_moulton_horman_expected.html

Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Keith Meisenheimer set two future court hearing dates for Kaine Horman's motion to hold his wife in contempt of court.

A pre-hearing date is set for July 22 at 1:30 p.m., followed by a Sept. 21 hearing.

Terri Moulton Horman is expected to attend the July hearing, said her attorney, Stephen Houze, as he emerged from the judge's chambers this afternoon.

ETA: Pinch, poke, you owe me a coke lol!

So, it looks like there will be several issues dealt with in two hearings tomorrow.

Thx for the heads up, Wondering!

 

[txsvicki]

I'm not thinking Kaine did anything to Kyron, but I'm hoping that part of that 3 hours is him having to explain why he won't believe or discounts Desiree's story of Kyron wanting to live with her, the increasing unhappiness on return to dad's, and even the sobbing. It's hard to believe that he treated her that way even after learning of the alleged murder for hire plot by Terri, yet Kyron or his Mom weren't believed. It's not like the little girl is Desiree's and he's in danger of losing her.

 

[RubyRed]

I'm not thinking Kaine did anything to Kyron, but I'm hoping that part of that 3 hours is him having to explain why he won't believe or discounts Desiree's story of Kyron wanting to live with her, the increasing unhappiness on return to dad's, and even the sobbing. It's hard to believe that he treated her that way even after learning of the alleged murder for hire plot by Terri, yet Kyron or his Mom weren't believed. It's not like the little girl is Desiree's and he's in danger of losing her.

bbm

I must have missed this, where is it that Kaine says this?

 

[gitana1]

sbm

Like some decided Terri was guilty right out of the gate, based upon her FB ?

You have a point. Although odd, the reports about her facebook postings didn't say enough to me and I felt some were speculating in ways that were unfair based on the circumstances. But, two wrongs don't make a right, and we certainly have way more than a facebook posting to point us in a certain direction.
My prediction is that eventually, TH will be arrested and convicted for something connected with Kyron and there will be no evidence connecting Kaine or Desiree to this. JMO.

 

[Calliope]

It's not me using the term pre-hearing. That's what's in the article. I assume it's a pre-hearing to discuss with the court, probably in chambers, matters that need to be addressed prior to the hearing -- possibly evidentiary issues, witness lists, objections, etc. Basically *housekeeping* issues to make the hearing run smoothly. jmo

Sorry, I meant I didn't understand what that is. Thanks for explaining.

Regarding the RO...By not contesting the RO, it is automatically in effect for one year unless the Court decides to "drop it" for its own reasons. I think it's true that the allegations are not admitted by TH, but the ruling stands on its original bases (the allegations of involvement in Kyron's kidnapping and, for the amendment, the allegations of MFH). What I mean is, the court found that there was cause to enter the RO on those grounds, and did so. So there is no further reason or basis for the Court to hear any further evidence on TH's alleged involvement with Kyron's disappearance or the MFH for at least one year from the entry of the RO. Imo, that's why she didn't challenge custody or ouster in the first place. Now she doesn't have to talk about those issues for a year and, likewise, neither does KH or LE.

Yeah, it makes sense. That's what I have thought all along.

 

[gitana1]

Maybe I'm strange, but I don't think the science fair is that interesting. I would have been satisfied with seeing the project at home.

Maybe if I had friend's or relative's children I would go to see their project, but I just don't see a display with a diorama as that exciting.

I grew up in the era when children went to school, did THEIR own work, and played sports by themselves with no parental involvement. School was the child's job and parents had their own lives. It was just expected that we went to school and played outside . We came in when the streetlights came on.

Wasn't that the life? I loved my childhood. We were a tribe of kids and so free to explore and develop without the constantly hovering influence of parents. I'm sad all these wackos have destroyed that for kids in our country today.

 

[Calliope]

Wasn't that the life? I loved my childhood. We were a tribe of kids and so free to explore and develop without the constantly hovering influence of parents. I'm sad all these wackos have destroyed that for kids in our country today.

Back then, every adult in the neighborhood watched out for the kids, no matter how far we wandered.

And we never got away with anything, by the time we got home our parents knew exactly what we'd been up to...

 

[gwenabob]

well I hope the baby is in good hands at this point, because she's gonna need some good hands...speaking of, whom did Kaine leave the baby with during his "Meeting"...day care at the gym?

Wha?? I doubt the gym day care provides care for time beyond workout time on the premises. You know, this is a pretty big city, and I am sure there are lots and lots of day care providers to choose from. Maybe his mother is here. I'm not sure where you are coming from.

 

[gitana1]

I don't think this is correct. See my link in post 119. The hearing tomorrow is a pre-hearing on contempt. Maybe other issues will be addressed. I remember reading at some point that there were two hearings on the same date and maybe even at the same time. So maybe they'll be held in conjunction with one another. But I believe that tomorrow's pre-hearing on contempt is still a go. I guess we'll see.

As far as the allegations in the RO they are resolved, imo. I'm not sure why you think they're not.

Gosh now I'm so confused. I think the reporting has been fairly unclear in this case, so I just wait for the hearings and listen to what the attorneys say, etc. I too, thought the RO had been resolved.

 

[Calliope]

Wha?? I doubt the gym day care provides care for time beyond workout time on the premises. You know, this is a pretty big city, and I am sure there are lots and lots of day care providers to choose from. Maybe his mother is here. I'm not sure where you are coming from.

I wouldn't be surprised if Intel provides on-site daycare for their employees.

 

[gitana1]

Back then, every adult in the neighborhood watched out for the kids, no matter how far we wandered.

And we never got away with anything, by the time we got home our parents knew exactly what we'd been up to...

The good ol' days. People got involved. Neighbors knew each other and looked out for one another. It may be like that still in some places but I sure I wish it could be like that everywhere again.

 

[Calliope]

The good ol' days. People got involved. Neighbors knew each other and looked out for one another. It may be like that still in some places but I sure I wish it could be like that everywhere again.

Everyone knew everyone; maybe not the best of friends, but we knew who lived in our neighborhood for blocks and blocks around and we watched out for each other. I remember taking my kids back to where I grew up. The same people were still living there, just up in years and minus their kids. I took my 5 year old daughter trick-or-treating, and the old guy around the corner was sitting in his yard, handing out big beautiful apples to all the kids.

I was horrified when DD started going off about poison and razor blades (echoing what she'd been warned of in school). I tried to tell her that I'd known this man since I was a little girl, but he just called her over and told her this incredibly detailed story about how he'd gone all the way to NC to pick this perfect apple for such a sweet little girl. We were both enthralled listening to him, and in the end she did accept his apple. Nowadays, that poor old man would probably be up on charges =\

 

[surrogatemom]

I wouldn't be surprised if Intel provides on-site daycare for their employees.

According to this they don't. :waitasec: Not to say that that source is correct, because certain campuses may very well provide it.

ETA: This source says differently, "As of 2006, Intel had several on-site and near-site childcare centers serving its employees and offered free back-up care. The company reported that its childcare programs served about 1,800 children of employees during 2005."

 

[tezi]

Yes, it's probably about the RO hearing tomorrow. Or something about the investigation. I am appalled that some people are making a giant leap to something dark and sinister here because he wasn't crying and depressed on the way out. I swear, I think it would be like Christmas morning for some people if LE came out at the next presser and said KH is a suspect. The eagerness to pin this on him is incredible. I really wish LE would come out and say his timeline has been confirmed and he couldn't have done this, which is my gut feeling anyway. I believe in a stranger taking Kyron more than I believe that KH did anything to him. I don't believe he would destroy his own marriage and life and kill his son. For what reason? What could possibly be his motive? Let's use reason and common sense here. Unless LE comes out and says he's a suspect or that he did this, there shouldn't be wild speculation about him just because he met with the police for three hours, or had a facial expression that only accounts for what, seconds of time? Maybe he's trying be hopeful, we just don't know!

Aedrys, thanks just wasn't enough for this post. Kaine has lost his son, found out his wife was trying to kill him (allegedly), his wife has been sexting some guy that was a friend of Kaine's in high school, and yet people still want to put him in front of a firing squad. It just sickens me. He appears to be cooperating, just like DY and TY, unlike Terri, but yet people still want to accuse him.

MPO is that Kaine has absolutely nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance, and neither do DY or TY. There seems to be one person who seems capable of this crime (with maybe an accomplice, whom has yet to be named), and that is Terri.

JMO, MOO, and all other disclaimers.

 

[grandmaj]

Stop sleuthing Daycare for baby K. We are not sleuthing out Kaine and baby K.

 

[TxLady2]

Could it be that the LE has exhausted all leads and they are fishing for any new leads or info? Could it be that the LE has reached a point where they are going to have to drop this case unless they get fresh leads? I can't imagine telling a parent that there is nothing new and that manpower has to be redirected as there is nothing further to investigate but it could it be that this is the case too? I wonder now if this 3 hour meeting was to prepare KH for the possibility that this case is now being scaled back due to lack of resources and lack of hard evidence.

They will not drop the case. If there are no new leads, they will go back to the beginning and go over every file again... and again. A case does not go cold in just weeks. It might get put on the back burner sometime in the future, maybe years from now, but it will not be dropped, I can assure you.
Haleigh's case is still going on and it's been a year and a half. Other kids have been missing for years, but someone still goes back and reviews the files periodically.
This case is FAR from being over. Trust me on this.

 

[TxLady2]

BBM - I realize that, Jo, which is why you didn't see me use the past tense of the word "complete" . But as the rest of my post said, I don't understand him using the word when we have no Kyron and TMH is not cooperatively speaking.

I think the key words in his statement are "working to"...
He didn't say they HAVE completed it, or that it was over yet.
Just out of curiosity... which word would be more comfortable? Solve? End? Close? Whatever... that's their goal and what they are working towards.
I take it as they are getting close to making an arrest. At least that is what I hope it means.

 

[TxLady2]

I hope this makes sense to somebody out there... first, IIRC the hearing originally scheduled for tomorrow dealt with TH leaving the house, and has been resolved (obviously). The charges against TH for violating the RO are upcoming, but not really soon, certainly not tomorrow. HOWEVER...

As has been discussed in several threads, TH's criminal defense attorney chose not to allow his client to testify in a RO or custody hearing (not the violation thereof, which is the separate court session I mentioned above) because the risk was too high. In essence, something she said in the civil hearing "on the record" could later be used if criminal charges were brought against her.

In order for KH to convince the court that the threat to himself and Baby K was serious (and therefore the violation of the RO "mattered" for their safety) he is going to have to reveal the evidence the police gave him to convince him that TH took Kyron and attempted to arrange the MFH.

As TH has not been charged with any crime, the defense attorney is not yet privy under "discovery" to either incriminating or potentially exculpatory information collected by LE and doesn't really know WHAT the case consists of.

In a sense, LE may be tipping their hand a bit if KH sees this Violation of RO through. They may have been discussing HOW MUCH information is enough to convince the judge without being everything in their arsenal.

And, if they are now looking in some OTHER direction (other that TH) they'll have some 'splaining to do as to why they gave KH "probable cause" to believe his wife tried to have him murdered and was involved in the disappearance of his son and are now not so certain.

MOO

Makes a lot of sense to me! Thanks.